Itanium and Itanium 2 going down faster than a drunk soroity sister

Desslok

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Scary link for an Intel employee

We all know that the Itanium crashed big time, but the Itanium 2 was supposed to be the salvation. Now Google just turned it down, and to top that off after years of critizing AMD's CPU'S for running hot it turns out that the Itanium 2 eats up 130 watts!!

Also what if Yamhill turns out the way to go? After 5 BILLION dollars do you just scrap the project?
 

klah

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I'm looking forward to an Itanium2 vs. Mjolnir comparison here at anandtech.
 

cavemanmoron

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how much is an Itanium chip?

:Q
Compaq -
Info...

itanium i733 733mhz 2mb cache processor for proliant dl590/64
(Part - 230560-B21)
Price: $ 3141

Ship: $0.01
Updated:9/12/2002 8:20:09 PM

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wow i can build a Lot of AMD XP processors for that!!!
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: cavemanmoron
how much is an Itanium chip?

:Q
Compaq -
Info...

itanium i733 733mhz 2mb cache processor for proliant dl590/64
(Part - 230560-B21)
Price: $ 3141

Ship: $0.01
Updated:9/12/2002 8:20:09 PM

:p
wow i can build a Lot of AMD XP processors for that!!!


You mean you will be able to build a Lot of Hammer systems with that ;)

Is the Itanium 2 even out yet?? I know Dell alreday turned it down, and is even looking at the AMD Hammer

 

sandorski

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I'm not an expert by any means, but from what I hear, the class of cpus that the Itanium competes with generate as much or more heat than that. So it seems a lot to us P4/Athlon users, but isn't a lot in comparison to other server cpus.
 

JellyBaby

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Itanics are not meant for peons like us and they're actually a steal compared to platforms they may compete against....if they perform.
 
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SPEC CFP2000 (Base) Results:

hp workstation zx6000 (1000 MHz, Itanium 2) - 1356
hp server rx5670 (1000 MHz, Itanium 2) - 1178
Precision WorkStation 340 (2.8 GHz P4) - 938
Intel D850EMV2 motherboard (2.8 GHz, Pentium 4 processor) - 915
Sun Blade Model 2000 (1.05GHz) - 701
Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2600+ - 655

And just for sake of comparison.

IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo (1300 MHz) - 1202
IBM eServer pSeries 670 (1100 MHz) - 1017
hp AlphaServer ES45 68/1250 - 1016
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Originally posted by: Vespasian
SPEC CFP2000 (Base) Results:

hp workstation zx6000 (1000 MHz, Itanium 2) - 1356
hp server rx5670 (1000 MHz, Itanium 2) - 1178
Precision WorkStation 340 (2.8 GHz P4) - 938
Intel D850EMV2 motherboard (2.8 GHz, Pentium 4 processor) - 915
Sun Blade Model 2000 (1.05GHz) - 701
Epox 8KHA+ Motherboard, AMD Athlon (TM) XP 2600+ - 655

And just for sake of comparison.

IBM eServer pSeries 690 Turbo (1300 MHz) - 1202
IBM eServer pSeries 670 (1100 MHz) - 1017
hp AlphaServer ES45 68/1250 - 1016

And what about power consumance and pricing? Even if would only cost 3 times as much as a P4 and use twice the power, you still would have a shitload more power when using 2 P4s, for a lower cost. Companies want as much power for less, else they wouldn't even consider clusters.
 

Harvey

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According to the article, the thing's the size of a silver dollar, as well as a power hog. It'll suck to fry one. With current technology, I think it makes far more sense to use fault tolerant arrays of relatively inexpensive CPU's. If one dies, it sends an error message while the rest keep crunching.
 

Martin

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if AMD scores that Dell contract they talk about...it could be a huge boost for them....

 
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And what about power consumance
All I know is that the 1.2GHz UltraSparc III (which has not yet been benchmarked) consumes only 53 Watts. (The 1.05Ghz UltraSparc III consumes 75 Watts.)

And the 64-bit MIPS R14000A consumes a mere 17 Watts. But it doesn't offer breakneck performance.
 

Wingznut

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There is absolutely no point in comparing the Itanium to a P4, Athlon, Hammer, Cyrix... Or any other desktop cpu.

The high end server market is a completely different ballgame. If you want to compare it to a Sun UltraSPARC, IBM Power4, or HP RISC... Knock yourself out. But an Itanium 2 system is significantly faster and cheaper than it's competition.

As for Google, I wouldn't think they'd use the Itanium. I figure they'd be using blade servers with Xeons, anyway.
 

N8Magic

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IMHO, Intel is in big trouble with the entire IA-64 architecture. They've fumbled around for too long with fab issues (not surprising with such a huge piece of silicon) and delay... after delay... after delay...

With IBM starting to use their superior Power4 chips in mid-range servers, you might see some potential Itanium customers choosing to go that route...
 

pm

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Cutting and pasting and shifting from my comments in the thread in GH:

The article is interesting because it starts off with a spurious premise ("Intel's new Itanium 2 super-chip is said to be ideal for use on search engines like Google.") and builds on this to imply that Itanium 2 is a failure - or will be in the future. I like the "is said to be" - which automatically leads me to ask "is said by whom?". Google not an ideal candidate for an Itanium 2. They are an ideal candidate for a blade processor system. If they aren't into blades already, that's where I would automatically think that they should be.

I think that Intel is pleased with the success of Itanium 2 sales so far. But the article could substitute any of the super chips out there: Compaq's Alpha, IBM's Power 4, Intel's Itanium, and others and say that their power density is too high. You could substitute "Intel" with "IBM and "Itanium 2" with "Power 4" throughout the article and come up with the same type of article. Which could lead to the false conclusion that there are no uses for super powerful server/workstation processors because distributed computing solutions are more economical. There are plenty of solutions where a distributed computing approach simply can't be implemented. And when you can't distribute the problem, and you want to get it done quickly, then a high-end processor is the solution that you want no matter what the power density is.

Commenting more on why I don't think Google is a good candidate for an Itanium 2 solution: Google doesn't talk much about exactly how they work, but the general gist of is that requests are sent to a processor for lookup in a relatively static datebase. The database is "static" because a search does not immediately change the results of other searches... it does happen, but not immediately. What they want for these types of things are a whole lot of cheap, moderately fast, processors - like a Beowolf cluster. Compare this situation to a slightly different one where you are managing a credit card database. In this case, the results of one transaction affect the results of any future transactions. In this case a Beowolf-like cluster of distributed machines will not scale well and what is needed is faster processors working in some form of large server box - like a 32-way machine. In these cases, speed is everything. In Google's case, speed is not everything. Cost probably is.
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: Wingznut PEZ
Intel® Itanium® Processor

A ton of information about the Itanium and what it does, as well as what to compare it to. :)

Gee, those aren't selective benchmarks on Intel's part are they?
rolleye.gif
They sure seem to love picking on the Ultrasparc III. (a five-year old architecture!)

Why don't they take on the Power4? I would consider it to be a direct competitor. :)
 

pm

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Why don't they take on the Power4? I would consider it to be a direct competitor. :)
IBM is also a partner in selling and building Itanium-based workstation and server solutions... not that this would likely have anything to do with it.
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: pm
Why don't they take on the Power4? I would consider it to be a direct competitor. :)
IBM is also a partner in selling and building Itanium-based workstation and server solutions... not that this would likely have anything to do with it.

That could certainly be part of it... never thought of it that way.

Why do I get the feeling that i'm being surrounded? ;)
 
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Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: Wingznut PEZ
Intel® Itanium® Processor

A ton of information about the Itanium and what it does, as well as what to compare it to. :)

Gee, those aren't selective benchmarks on Intel's part are they?
rolleye.gif
They sure seem to love picking on the Ultrasparc III. (a five-year old architecture!)

Why don't they take on the Power4? I would consider it to be a direct competitor. :)
The Itanium 2 has greater integer and floating-pont performance than the Power4.
 

N8Magic

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Originally posted by: Vespasian
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: Wingznut PEZ
Intel® Itanium® Processor

A ton of information about the Itanium and what it does, as well as what to compare it to. :)

Gee, those aren't selective benchmarks on Intel's part are they?
rolleye.gif
They sure seem to love picking on the Ultrasparc III. (a five-year old architecture!)

Why don't they take on the Power4? I would consider it to be a direct competitor. :)
The Itanium 2 has greater integer and floating-pont performance than the Power4.

And the Power4-II? Let's compare apples to apples here.
 
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Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: Vespasian
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Originally posted by: Wingznut PEZ
Intel® Itanium® Processor

A ton of information about the Itanium and what it does, as well as what to compare it to. :)

Gee, those aren't selective benchmarks on Intel's part are they?
rolleye.gif
They sure seem to love picking on the Ultrasparc III. (a five-year old architecture!)

Why don't they take on the Power4? I would consider it to be a direct competitor. :)
The Itanium 2 has greater integer and floating-pont performance than the Power4.

And the Power4-II? Let's compare apples to apples here.
The Power4-II (which is just a Power4 running at a higher frequency) is not yet available.

But what's the point that you are trying to make? :confused:
 

Windogg

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How is this for a gaming system?

2 x 1Ghz Intel Itanium II
4GB Rambus PC4200 RDRAM
128MB Bitboys Video Adapter
2MB S3 ViRGE for 2nd monitor
8 x 75GB IBM 75GXP (RAID0)

Watch this baby go down like the Titanic