[IT World] Intel cancels Broadwell-C **Article corrected to say it meant Skylake-C**

[ShintaiDK]

If that is true, then I don't see Intel being able to increase iGPU size in the near future.

So maybe GT4e becomes the max for a while (allowing Intel to integrate lower power logic (southbridge, etc) on die) before advanced process tech allows more high power xtors.

How do you think a 91-95W would perform? Remember the 6700K isnt 65W. I would expect even bigger GT with Cannonlake.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I think you forget IGP and 65W. While we can argue if LGA or BGA matters. Its still a product with its place. A BGA version with 4+4e will be its successor.

Yes. A BGA version makes a ton of sense: laptops and all-in-one PCs will make good use of this chip.

For socketed desktop it is really a pointless product in light of the 6700K.

If anything, the 6700K was cobbled together at the last second. Intel wasn't even going to sell Skylake-K and was going to roll with just Broadwell-C to push the high perf graphics and compute. That's why there is no fan because there was no time to validate one. It was only going to be the locked quads.

I don't think so. The motherboard makers seemed to have invested heavily in making attractive, enthusiast-focused motherboard designs. Had Skylake-K been "cobbled together," I'm not so sure we'd see the board designs on the market that we do.

Remember: just going with Broadwell-C as the late 2015/2016 part means enthusiasts won't be buying new motherboards, which means fewer chipset sales to enthusiasts (since many of them would just drop in a 5775c into an existing mobo and call it a day).

 

[Fjodor2001]

Kind of have a feeling that it's going to get cancelled and that Broadwell-E/EP/EX won't really be available until June or cancelled entirely. Intel's had 14 nm products since last year and they are still having real bad yield problems for anything not tiny and Broadwell-C's cancellation is a signal of that. It's not panic time but Intel needs to get more conservative about die size.

And it's not like the current Skylake dies are huge. In fact they are just the opposite compared to desktop chips on previous nodes at time of release. And comparing it to the 28 nm 600 mm^2 GPU dies makes the contrast even more clear. Sure, 28 nm is a mature node, but still.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Kind of have a feeling that it's going to get cancelled and that Broadwell-E/EP/EX won't really be available until June or cancelled entirely. Intel's had 14 nm products since last year and they are still having real bad yield problems for anything not tiny and Broadwell-C's cancellation is a signal of that. It's not panic time but Intel needs to get more conservative about die size.

So Intel's claim at earlier Investor's meeting that 14 nm yields were progressing at the same rate as 22 nm did at comparable times was just BS? Or the info was intentionally seriously obfuscated to only mean small dies and low frequencies, without clarifying that to the market?

 

[ShintaiDK]

The author claims EDRAM is used in the Xbox One and PS4. None of them uses EDRAM.

Not exactly adding credibility to this freelance writers article.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Honestly, Broadwell-C is a niche product that is eclipsed by Skylake-K.

With Skylake-K, you get a newer platform with a LOT of extra goodies, and a newer CPU core at a higher base frequency.

You give up the eDRAM, but I don't think most buyers would care.

Exactly. It was a very niche product anyway. The article itself sort of seems like making a lot of nothing. Overall, except for the igp, I would definitely take skylark anyway. Kind of ironic, when Intel released it, it was criticized for being a niche product, but now they are being ripped for cancelling it.

 

[mikk]

I doubt it. From The Tech Report just a month ago:



It also doesn't make sense to cancel it and keep Xeon E3-1200 v4 on sale.
And Apple is expected to use this chips in their next iMacs.

There is no strong demand for this CPU. This is a typical PR message imho.

 

[dark zero]

That means that Skylake C might come way sooner than expected.

 

[Arachnotronic]

That means that Skylake C might come way sooner than expected.

Skylake-C is not happening.

 

[dark zero]

Skylake C is not happening.

And who says otherwise? EDram is the future. Without that Pascal and Artic Islands will leave a brutal advantage to them to make Intel iGPU looks like an outdated stuff.

Also killing Broadwell means that Haswell is no longer being made.

 

[nvgpu]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9639/...atly-exaggerated-socketed-broadwell-continues

This thread should be closed now.

 

[tential]

Exactly. It was a very niche product anyway. The article itself sort of seems like making a lot of nothing. Overall, except for the igp, I would definitely take skylark anyway. Kind of ironic, when Intel released it, it was criticized for being a niche product, but now they are being ripped for cancelling it.

This forum just doesn't understand the average consumer. 98%+ of new buyers see broadwell c vs new skylake options and take skylake....


People worry about insane metrics on here, when consumers just want something new, exciting that gets the job done....

 

[Burpo]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9639/...atly-exaggerated-socketed-broadwell-continues

This thread should be closed now.

"Intel has made it very clear to us that these processors have not been discontinued, and that the company continues to manufacture and sell the processors as part of their current Broadwell lineup.

so Intel’s current Broadwell SKUs remain as their top-of-the-line SKUs for graphics across all segments, and it’s likely that will remain the case until 2016."

 

[Sweepr]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9639/...atly-exaggerated-socketed-broadwell-continues

This thread should be closed now.

Quoting to make it perfectly clear:

The idea that these processors were discontinued came as quite a shock with us, and after asking Intel for more details, the company quickly responded. Intel has made it very clear to us that these processors have not been discontinued, and that the company continues to manufacture and sell the processors as part of their current Broadwell lineup.

Also I still believe we will see a LGA Skylake GT4e part as part of the Kaby Lake family, about a year from now.

Intel’s current Broadwell SKUs remain as their top-of-the-line SKUs for graphics across all segments, and it’s likely that will remain the case until 2016

According to the Xeon E3 roadmap BGA Skylake GT4e is Q1-2016 so no surprise here.

 

[dark zero]

In better case, this post should be merged with the Broadwell one since we saw that Intel announced that despite Broadwell C is alive, it's gonna end at 2016.

The good news is that Skylake C will happen.

Wondering how strong will be Kabylake... since Intel already confirmed that is a GPU revamp from them

 

[crashtech]

Intel hasn't discontinued Broadwell-C, but I have.

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9639/...atly-exaggerated-socketed-broadwell-continues

This thread should be closed now.

Was obvious. Itworld was nothing but an uneducated freelancer writers clickbait attempt.

 

[ShintaiDK]

In better case, this post should be merged with the Broadwell one since we saw that Intel announced that despite Broadwell C is alive, it's gonna end at 2016.

The good news is that Skylake C will happen.

Wondering how strong will be Kabylake... since Intel already confirmed that is a GPU revamp from them

Skylake/Kaby Lake C may be BGA only tho.

 

[coercitiv]

Skylake-C is not happening.

In better case, this post should be merged with the Broadwell one since we saw that Intel announced that despite Broadwell C is alive, it's gonna end at 2016.

The good news is that Skylake C will happen.

From the same article mentioned in the OP.

CORRECTION: Due to a reporting error, an earlier version of the story misidentified the product that has been retired. It is the Skylake-C and not the Broadwell-C that has been discontinued. Changes have been made throughout the story to reflect the change.

That's a lot of babbling. Whether Intel does a Skylake C SKU or not is irrelevant at this point, the article fails to provide a decent reason for it's speculation other than fairy whispers.

 

[Arachnotronic]

From the same article mentioned in the OP.

That's a lot of babbling. Whether Intel does a Skylake C SKU or not is irrelevant at this point, the article fails to provide a decent reason for it's speculation other than fairy whispers.

Not really fairy whispers. Intel has gone on record publicly already to say that Skylake-C is not plan-of-record.

This makes sense because earlier leaks suggested that such a part would be "conditional." Clearly whatever "condition" that was required to justify the release of such a product was not satisfied.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Kaby Lake GT4e models are on the list for desktop.

 

[ClockHound]

Intel hasn't discontinued Broadwell-C, but I have.

Good one! And where crashtech leads, the industry follows.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Intel hasn't discontinued Broadwell-C, but I have.

Your statement makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

 

[coercitiv]

Not really fairy whispers. Intel has gone on record publicly already to say that Skylake-C is not plan-of-record.

That's just it, they even fail to quote Intel on the matter, and it's not surprising since the original "breaking news" is gone: this is not about Broadwell-C anymore, so they change the wording in the article and leave it as is, no further explanations.

 

[jpiniero]

Kaby Lake GT4e models are on the list for desktop.

If you notice the footnote, it mentions that those processors are Skylake and not Kabylake.