It?s another bad day for Einstein!

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: Rudy Toody
An alternate view using only spin: Imagine an infinite line of identical gears. We start at the midpoint where the Left Gear is rotating clockwise and the Right Gear is rotating counterclockwise. When we measure the rotation at one end some distance from the midpoint, we would know that since the time (number of gears from the midpoint) for the two opposite gears will be an even value, we know that whatever we get from the measurement the opposite end will be the opposite rotation.

I have considered testing this idea because I still have all my gears!

That's an interesting analogy, but I think it breaks down a bit when you start ramping up the speeds. Both of these analogies require a propagation of force along the entire length of the system. In every day life, this propagation can appear instantaneous because it is traveling so fast, but it still has a finite speed. Even though every mass element in the system only moves a very small amount, the wave still has to travel at a reasonable speed.

BTW, I like your Lincoln quote. Here's another one of my favorites, paraphrased and adapted for forums:
I apologize for writing such a lengthy post, but I didn't have time to write a shorter one.

 

[Rudy Toody]

Originally posted by: PolymerTim
That's an interesting analogy, but I think it breaks down a bit when you start ramping up the speeds. Both of these analogies require a propagation of force along the entire length of the system. In every day life, this propagation can appear instantaneous because it is traveling so fast, but it still has a finite speed. Even though every mass element in the system only moves a very small amount, the wave still has to travel at a reasonable speed.

The marble analogy breaks down, I agree.

The gears take care of the problem because the directions cancel each other in time. The Left Gear line is expanding in negative time and the Right Gear line in positive time, so they cancel out. The only unknown is when the measurement is taken. When it is, the state of the gear is the opposite of the other gear that was entangled (meshed) with it.

I am thinking of combining the two methods to explain the photons behavior as a wave or particle depending on how it is measured. I will do another Thought Experiment in the next few days to see what I can come up with.