It looks like McCain-Palin have made their choice for the last 3 weeks of the campaign

[techs]

The Sunday morning ads from McCain-Palin are all negative, smear type ads. In fact, I must have seen 20 of them and not one said even one thing that McCain-Palin will do if elected. They are all smear ads.
As for Obama, I did see a couple of new ones, the one showing his grandfather and mother was pretty good. The rest were issue oriented.
So the talk I was hearing about McCain changing the tone of his campaign was false.
I guess McCain intends to go down slinging the mud.

 

[StageLeft]

Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

 

[bctbct]

Yesterday McCain seemed dumbfounded with the lady that said Obama was an Arab, I think we will see him pulling negative ads.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: bctbct
Yesterday McCain seemed dumbfounded with the lady that said Obama was an Arab, I think we will see him pulling negative ads.

Well, thats my point. They haven't pulled the ads.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: bctbct
Yesterday McCain seemed dumbfounded with the lady that said Obama was an Arab, I think we will see him pulling negative ads.

Well, thats my point. They haven't pulled the ads.

They have to make positive ones

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: bctbct
Yesterday McCain seemed dumbfounded with the lady that said Obama was an Arab, I think we will see him pulling negative ads.

Well, thats my point. They haven't pulled the ads.

They have to make positive ones

I'm sure they already have positive ones. They make many more ads than we ever see.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: bctbct
Yesterday McCain seemed dumbfounded with the lady that said Obama was an Arab, I think we will see him pulling negative ads.

Well, thats my point. They haven't pulled the ads.

They have to make positive ones

First, they would have to find something positive to say!

 

[SecPro]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

Using Obama and substance in the same sentence is the very height of stupidity. Enjoy your kool-aid.

 

[Grunt03]

I find this entire election very funny, McSame needs to face the facts, he is out of ideas and desperate. So the only thing he can do is sling mud. Lets try to down play the Palin issues that have recently come to light.

1. Playing the female running mate card - though it was really the only move he could have made he could have picked a better female, perhaps one without so many issues and drama.

2. Obamma - is far from being the perfect choice but compaired to McSame he sure seems close.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

Using Obama and substance in the same sentence is the very height of stupidity. Enjoy your kool-aid.

Quite ironic coming from someone who's posts are as vapid as your's. Have you ever contributed anything of substance to P&N?

Don't mistake your delusions as witty remarks or reasoned thought. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike Obama (relationship with the FMs), but your constant parroting of what you see on Fox News is not one of them.

You say "enjoy the kool-aid," I say provide a substantive argument as to why your kool-aid is more worthy of quenching my thirst. Judging by your posts thus far, and the Republican poseurs on Fox News, this is perhaps a task deemed impossible. At least, that's the conclusion I take away when your arguments utterly lack any sort of content and devolve into some finger pointing about who Obama did and did not have dinner with five years ago.

Tell me, what does kool-aid taste like after having been poisoned by ignorance, hatred, and the metallic tinge of having become stale sitting in a poisoned glass resting on the shelf of fascism?

 

[nageov3t]

politicians who are down in the polls go negative? :shocked:

omg, this is...... the same as every other race in the history of politics. /yawn

 

[smack Down]

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[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

Using Obama and substance in the same sentence is the very height of stupidity. Enjoy your kool-aid.

How can he? Seems you have drank it all up from the troll and run trough.

 

[Lemon law]

We are quick to blame McCain, when the culprit really sinking McCain is GWB&co. The economic melt down has scared the hell out of the entire country, and ole John did not separate himself from GWB in April/08.
And now its too damn late for McCain as the entire GOP laid an egg.

Right now, the McCain going negative against Obama is supercharging the base McCain already had, while alienating the independents and right wing democrats McCain needs to put himself over the top. And McCain is now waking up to the fact its not working. And with three weeks and small change until election, McCain is in the Hillary position, desperately searching for a issue where he will be seen as clearly superior to Obama. In the too little too late department, Hillary found her jobs and the economy issue that allowed her to narrow the gap going down the stretch, but jobs and the economy is not a McCain strong suit.

Unless McCain finds his issue he can run on fast fast fast, he will go down to defeat big time on November 4. John McCain is down in the polls, behind on money, and worse yet, he is seen as McSame with a capital R. And Mccain, more than anything, can and should blame GWB for his defeat. In a year when change is mandated, differing with GWB on a few points, while being 95% in support, just does not impress

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: loki8481
politicians who are down in the polls go negative? :shocked:

omg, this is...... the same as every other race in the history of politics. /yawn

Forget the polls...McCain is a Republican running for President, and they almost always end up being nasty as hell. Bush wasn't down in the polls this time in 2004, but that didn't stop his campaign from being one of the most negatively run ones in history (especially compared to Kerry's).

Republicans might be fine people in real life, but when they fight, they fight DIRTY.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

This has always been the Dems race to lose. The fact that the Republicans have a snowballs chance in hell suggests the Dems have screwed up even more (in the campaign) then the Reps.

And smear ads work. Thats why they use them. Both parties have spent more money then you and I could spend in 5 lifetimes studying what types of advertising works. It will get real dirty in the last week or so when the opponant has little time to respond. Hell, our mayor owes his election to a last minute smear ad that was completely untrue. Of course it was by a 3rd party and the mayor had nothing to do with it :roll:

 

[DukeN]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: loki8481
politicians who are down in the polls go negative? :shocked:

omg, this is...... the same as every other race in the history of politics. /yawn

Forget the polls...McCain is a Republican running for President, and they almost always end up being nasty as hell. Bush wasn't down in the polls this time in 2004, but that didn't stop his campaign from being one of the most negatively run ones in history (especially compared to Kerry's).

Republicans might be fine people in real life, but when they fight, they fight DIRTY.

They might be fine in real life, but I would say only to other neocons for the vast majority.

 

[Xellos2099]

The end justify the mean.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

It will replace the analysis of Gore and Kerry on how to lose a sure fire election.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

Using Obama and substance in the same sentence is the very height of stupidity. Enjoy your kool-aid.

I was talking about their campaign approaches: smear vs. policy.

So what flavor are you drinking?

This has always been the Dems race to lose. The fact that the Republicans have a snowballs chance in hell suggests the Dems have screwed up even more (in the campaign) then the Reps.

I see it more as a blind partisanship in this country. It's almost completely split R vs D and most people ni either party would kill their mother before admitting that maybe, just maybe, their party sucks and they should drop this "party alliegience" bullsh*t. These days I think a 10 point lead is huge because the country is too dull to tolerate much more of one. Realize that at least 1/4 still approve of the worst president in decades.

It will replace the analysis of Gore and Kerry on how to lose a sure fire election.

Very possibly.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
The end justify the mean.

I would hesitate to call all Republicans mean...

 

[boomer6447]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

This has always been the Dems race to lose. The fact that the Republicans have a snowballs chance in hell suggests the Dems have screwed up even more (in the campaign) then the Reps.

And smear ads work. Thats why they use them. Both parties have spent more money then you and I could spend in 5 lifetimes studying what types of advertising works. It will get real dirty in the last week or so when the opponant has little time to respond. Hell, our mayor owes his election to a last minute smear ad that was completely untrue. Of course it was by a 3rd party and the mayor had nothing to do with it :roll:

You've got to be joking..Even the most lopsided recent elections (Clinton/Dole 96) have only been by 3-4 points. The country is too divided for a real popular vote landslide. That being said, Obama/Howard Dean have run one of the best campaigns in history. Consider that they are running a minority, and are facing someone who used to be a "maverick", and who has always been popular with liberals and conservatives (until now)...
The "50 state" strategy, beating the clintons, new voter registrations, the volunteer numbers...etc....incredible stuff.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: SecPro

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

Using Mccain and substance in the same sentence is the very height of stupidity. Enjoy your kool-aid.

Fixed for the stupid.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: boomer6447

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Mccain's entire campaign will be used by professors teaching political science on how to lose an election. When obama wins, it. MIGHT show down the road that some still have a thirst for substance.

This has always been the Dems race to lose. The fact that the Republicans have a snowballs chance in hell suggests the Dems have screwed up even more (in the campaign) then the Reps.

And smear ads work. Thats why they use them. Both parties have spent more money then you and I could spend in 5 lifetimes studying what types of advertising works. It will get real dirty in the last week or so when the opponant has little time to respond. Hell, our mayor owes his election to a last minute smear ad that was completely untrue. Of course it was by a 3rd party and the mayor had nothing to do with it :roll:

You've got to be joking..Even the most lopsided recent elections (Clinton/Dole 96) have only been by 3-4 points. The country is too divided for a real popular vote landslide. That being said, Obama/Howard Dean have run one of the best campaigns in history. Consider that they are running a minority, and are facing someone who used to be a "maverick", and who has always been popular with liberals and conservatives (until now)...
The "50 state" strategy, beating the clintons, new voter registrations, the volunteer numbers...etc....incredible stuff.

You're right that the Obama campaign has been extremely well run, and that the outpouring of public support has been huge. Dean's restructuring and direction laid the groundwork.

There are deeper issues, however, issues that Righties and the McCain campaign have sought desperately to avoid.

The Bush Admin and Congressional majority weren't some kind of anomaly, at all, but rather the culmination of 30 years' effort by the PR and policy apparatus of the Right- their thinktanks, institutes and foundations. Their failure isn't an issue of personalities, but rather of policy on multiple levels.

Even handed the greatest political windfall since pearl harbor, they failed to govern constructively. It's what happens when those who hate government and hold it in contempt are allowed to run it. Their legacy of avarice and greed will haunt us for decades, their lasting accomplishments being enormous federal debt, huge transfers of wealth to the top and a rightwing rearguard judiciary.

They treated Washington the way the Vandals treated Rome in 455- they never intended to actually govern, but rather to loot and leave...

McCain can't escape the legacy of his own party, nor will the American people escape more of the same if he's elected.

 

[Lemon law]

McCain is both victim and the cause of his campaign problems. And has shown he will not be ready to lead on day one. In a sense, no one is ready to be President, but leadership is an alien experience for McCain, a man who has never lead anything bigger than the plane he flew.

Ignoring for the moment, McCains prior Presidential run in 2000, McCain had a lot of aces in his deck in the run up to 2008. As a GOP outsider he had constant exposure on talks shows, giving him name recognition and political clout as the only real GOP critic of GWB. As as a non GOP insider, he had no real help from GOP insider machinery or the funding to go along with it. But on a shoe string budget and his own personal appeal, he soldiered on and captured the GOP nomination. And in April and May, when Obama and Hillary were cannibalizing each other, a real leader would be quietly moving to take charge of the GOP machinery. Instead, McCain went for his strong suit, town hall meetings, while he was stuck with a campaign staff of mainly lobbyists not very good at fund raising. In terms of ideas, he was not reaching out to other moderate Republicans, nor was he reaching out to GOP intelligentsia theorists who could help him formulate new GOP doctrines once it was apparent that GWB&co neocon ideas were an epic failure. As McCain had what amounted to a total faith in his own tried and true values.

As a result, McCain is coming into the last three weeks of this campaign with a huge funding disadvantage, an inept set of lobbyists advisers, and now has been blind sided by a huge economic crisis of GWB's making. Because when the time came to lead, when the moment was his, McCain did not know how to lead or reach out to those he needed help from.

Obama on the other hand, has run a masterful campaign, defeating a very strong Hillary Clinton who was light years ahead on democratic political experience. Nor would he had been able to do if Hillary had opposed the Iraq war, but almost events have shown Obama to have the better judgment. And while McCain was snoozing, Obama was quietly moving to take control of the DNC brain trust and all its political machinery. Assembling teams of experts advisers, healing party wounds, doing damage control, and as importantly, out fund raising McCain 2 to 1. Not bad for a man who started out as a community organizer.