It is really sad to watch COPS and see people who sniff paint

Mill

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A majority of the people tonight on COPS in Las Vegas are paint huffers. They are so mentally destroyed and gone that they have the mental state of a young child. I cannot understand why someone would ever huff any chemical and I don't understand why they continue to. Most of them die within a year of starting that crap. It is pretty depressing to watch it and I don't understand why stores continue to sell it. If someone comes in and can barely talk and has gold spray paint all over their face and in their nostrils why would you sell it to them? Is it greed or apathy? Sad either way.
 

Soybomb

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Originally posted by: Millennium
A majority of the people tonight on COPS in Las Vegas are paint huffers. They are so mentally destroyed and gone that they have the mental state of a young child. I cannot understand why someone would ever huff any chemical and I don't understand why they continue to. Most of them die within a year of starting that crap. It is pretty depressing to watch it and I don't understand why stores continue to sell it. If someone comes in and can barely talk and has gold spray paint all over their face and in their nostrils why would you sell it to them? Is it greed or apathy? Sad either way.

Its paint, they'll get it somewhere else or buy propane or whiteout, etc. Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too. I think the country has pretty good drug education on the whole too so its not like they don't know what will happen.
 

MaxDSP

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wha kind of sane person needs an education about what kind of things its ok to sniff?
 

OS

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Originally posted by: Soybomb

Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too.

Is this proven now? The X thing that is.



 

ROTC1983

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Yeah, crap like that is sad...like mentioned before, they are educated about it, what kind of joy do they get out of huffing paint?
 

thomsbrain

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Soybomb

Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too.

Is this proven now? The X thing that is.

from what i understand, they've found some permanant damage associated with xtc. you gotta realize that the stuff they call xtc these days is basically a modified version of meth. (production is very similar too). it's a different chemical from the stuff the hippies were taking in the 60's (although that version wasn't exactly great for you either).
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Soybomb

Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too.

Is this proven now? The X thing that is.
I don't think the term "brain rot" really applies to "X". However, "X" has been known to cause some bad issues with the brain chemicals. I would imagine that it would be several more years before some of the tests conclude the true effects. I'll go out on a limb here and say the results of the testing will not look very promising, though.

Regarding the paint huffers: I watched one COPS episode a few weeks back where two brothers were living behind a convenience store. I don't remember which city it was, though. But, the two brothers were basically "out of it." I guess by "out of it" - I was unsure if it was the effects of the paint they had recently "huffed" or, if they were just displaying the long-term effects of this behavior. I thought it was pretty sad how they let themselves hit bottom with their paint huffing problem. :(
 

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Originally posted by: ROTC1983
Yeah, crap like that is sad...like mentioned before, they are educated about it, what kind of joy do they get out of huffing paint?
But, if it's like any other addiction, then it's nearly impossible for them to stop. COPS did mention that the two brothers I watched had received several educational sessions in addition to the cop telling them that the stuff was bad for them. How can you convice two homeless brothers that have nothing in their life that huffing paint is not the right way to live? Just the education itself will not work. You'd have to get them out of that environment and channel their desires, addictions, etc. onto another area.
 

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I spoke to a doctor (psychiatrist) before and he told me that sniffing paint has long long lasting effects. As far as XTC goes, it hasnt been proven, yet. I'm sure long term chronic use is bad, but again, if you use it in moderation, that is the key.
 

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Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Soybomb

Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too.

Is this proven now? The X thing that is.
Pretty much, although I think it could have been safely expected to cause damage before anyway. Search google for like ecstasy neural damage or something and you'll get a sea of links.


here is one
"?The most worrisome implication [of the findings] is that, as a consequence of MDMA-induced dopaminergic injury, young adults may be increasing their risk for developing Parkinsonism, a condition with symptoms similar to Parkinson?s disease, as they get older? according to lead author George A. Ricaurte of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. "

I'm sure long term chronic use is bad, but again, if you use it in moderation, that is the key.
"In both primate species, two or three sequential doses of Ecstasy, or ?MDMA,??equivalent to what young adults typically take during an all-night dance party?caused more brain cell damage than was previously expected, the authors report. The newly-identified type of damage occurs in dopaminergic neurons, a set of nerve cells in the brain that help control movement, as well as emotional and cognitive responses, and the ability to feel pleasure. "
 

Nocturnal

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Originally posted by: Soybomb
Originally posted by: OS
Originally posted by: Soybomb

Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too.

Is this proven now? The X thing that is.
Pretty much, although I think it could have been safely expected to cause damage before anyway. Search google for like ecstasy neural damage or something and you'll get a sea of links.


here is one
"?The most worrisome implication [of the findings] is that, as a consequence of MDMA-induced dopaminergic injury, young adults may be increasing their risk for developing Parkinsonism, a condition with symptoms similar to Parkinson?s disease, as they get older? according to lead author George A. Ricaurte of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. "

I'm sure long term chronic use is bad, but again, if you use it in moderation, that is the key.
"In both primate species, two or three sequential doses of Ecstasy, or ?MDMA,??equivalent to what young adults typically take during an all-night dance party?caused more brain cell damage than was previously expected, the authors report. The newly-identified type of damage occurs in dopaminergic neurons, a set of nerve cells in the brain that help control movement, as well as emotional and cognitive responses, and the ability to feel pleasure. "

Just wondering, how reliable is that site/source? Check out erowid.com and bluelight.nu for plenty of information regarding the health impact of XTC (MDMA).
 

Soybomb

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Its a study by Johns Hopkins University of Medicine people, published in a a journal by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. Your links see to be sites by drug users for drug users so they could be slightly more biased ;) Its your brain man, just thought I'd post the link.
 

Nocturnal

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?We can?t be absolutely sure that the animal data will generalize to human beings,? Ricaurte said. ?But, based on what we know so far about MDMA, that is our major concern.?

They still have a lot of testing to do. And more so, long-term testing on humans... which isn't a possiblity right now.
 

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two or three sequential doses of MDMA is ALOT, and NOT necessary for enjoyable use of the drug.

It's easy to show toxicity in anything when you ramp up the dosage. You know, if you ingest upwards of 5 gallons of water in a quick period you can die.
 

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Originally posted by: BlipBlop
two or three sequential doses of MDMA is ALOT, and NOT necessary for enjoyable use of the drug.

It's easy to show toxicity in anything when you ramp up the dosage. You know, if you ingest upwards of 5 gallons of water in a quick period you can die.

So 2 doses is very bad but 1 dose is okay?
 

OS

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Originally posted by: Jellomancer

So 2 doses is very bad but 1 dose is okay?

Not as bad as two. If it takes X amount of alcohol to get alcohol poisoning, that doesn't necessarily mean X/2 will be disastrous.


 

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Its paint, they'll get it somewhere else or buy propane or whiteout, etc. Plenty of other drugs rot the brain (ecstacy is a nice popular one) too. I think the country has pretty good drug education on the whole too so its not like they don't know what will happen.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that Extasy rots the brain. Extensive usage can have deep psychological effects, to the point where the user's personality becomes unrecognizable. But i've heard no evidence to suggest that it's effects can be anywhere near as severe as those of other popular street chemicals such as PCP and crack. But it can be damaging and in extremely rare cases, even deadly. And no, i am not a user myself, nor do i think using it is a good idea - i'm simily helping you get your facts straight.
 

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I think that it is safe to say that X (as with many other drugs, including weed and alcohol) has different levels of effect on different people. I'm not an X user, and I never plan to be. However, X users should not blind themselves to the possible long-term effects of drug use on their bodies.

So, here is my statement, warning, and admonishment all rolled into one... Use X, special K, weed, alcohol, and other drugs at your own risk. Realize that excessive and/or frequent use can, and probably will, have long-term, lasting impacts on your body, brain, and mind. Using these drugs is a choice. However, if you wake up one day to find yourself mentally or physically impared because of these drugs, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Ryan
 

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Originally posted by: rgwalt
I think that it is safe to say that X (as with many other drugs, including weed and alcohol) has different levels of effect on different people. I'm not an X user, and I never plan to be. However, X users should not blind themselves to the possible long-term effects of drug use on their bodies.

So, here is my statement, warning, and admonishment all rolled into one... Use X, special K, weed, alcohol, and other drugs at your own risk. Realize that excessive and/or frequent use can, and probably will, have long-term, lasting impacts on your body, brain, and mind. Using these drugs is a choice. However, if you wake up one day to find yourself mentally or physically impared because of these drugs, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Ryan
I've used Exstasy once. It was incredible. I'll never forget how good i felt. In fact, remembering it almost makes me want to start using it... almost. In fact, i probably would have gotten into it if i didn't see what it did to a person i knew who got into it a few months earlier. I won't go into details, but suffice to say that i will never touch the stuff again. It's fun, and it probably won't kill you, but it will damage you both physically and mentally, and the good times you'll have on it just aren't worth that.

 

Mill

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MDMA's pyschological effects are that it damages neurotransmitters and sites in the brain. Namely Serotonin and Dopamine Receptors. It can lead to depression and a lack of emotion.