It finally came ! Samsung 850 PRO

[G73S]

So,it finally came, new SSD from Samsung,850 PRO with new 3D V-NAND and............. what is this????? is this old controller from EVO???
O yes ,it is its old controller. It is good controller ,but still something that we already saw.
4k still sitting where they were last year so ....I don't know what to say,except that it really seems how we need to see 1Ghz controller for 100mb/s 4k reads .
Price is not good ,1TB version is 200 $ more then 960GB Extreme PRO,which is by the way about 10% slower but with proven technology.
Very good article from Tweaktown and Chris Ramseyer .
What stick to my eyes and brain is statement from an unknown SSD engineer :
A few years ago, an SSD engineer told us that NAND flash technology was moving too rapidly and if we could take older flash and use it with a modern SSD controller, the speeds would be amazing.

Read more at http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/64...sd-review-the-new-performance-king/index.html

 

[Revolution 11]

As a SSD that introduces 3D Nand and the benefits to endurance/reliability and performance, I think it is a amazing drive.

Ignoring the high MSRPs, the two main problems I see that prevent the 850 Pro from being a slam-dunk success is the lack of power-loss protection and the aging SATA 3 interface.

If you really wanted a really fast SSD, you would get one of the faster PCI-E SSDs coming out. If you wanted a cheaper SSD, the Crucial MX100 is half the price of the 850 Pro and has power-loss protection. The higher reliability is nice but not if power problems kill the drive or make you lose important data (you will be surprised how few people have reliable clean power from a SSD's point of view).

I am looking forward to future drives that fix both of these problems. Native PCI-E SSD with V-NAND and NVMe controller, yes please!

 

[G73S]

As a SSD that introduces 3D Nand and the benefits to endurance/reliability and performance, I think it is a amazing drive.

Ignoring the high MSRPs, the two main problems I see that prevent the 850 Pro from being a slam-dunk success is the lack of power-loss protection and the aging SATA 3 interface.

If you really wanted a really fast SSD, you would get one of the faster PCI-E SSDs coming out. If you wanted a cheaper SSD, the Crucial MX100 is half the price of the 850 Pro and has power-loss protection. The higher reliability is nice but not if power problems kill the drive or make you lose important data (you will be surprised how few people have reliable clean power from a SSD's point of view).

I am looking forward to future drives that fix both of these problems. Native PCI-E SSD with V-NAND and NVMe controller, yes please!

very true, but in my particular case....

1) I don't care about PCIe and many may not also due to the fact that their computer doesn't support it? I have an Alienware 18 which I paid $5000 USD for and it doesn't support PCIe, so I welcome any new SSD that uses SATA 3 and is able to max out the performance

2) Power loss doesn't concern me personally since it's a laptop and has a battery, not that the power ever gets cut out where I live, haven't happened once in 25 years.

Will I get one? not until they come out with a 2TB version and becomes in the $500 USD range I am not paying $700 USD for an SSD I can get a new laptop for that price LOL

 

[rsutoratosu]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=-1&isNodeId=1

7/21!

 

[rsutoratosu]

Holy cow, off that first link 10 year warranty

 

[voodoo7817]

This is a great looking drive that seems to be the best SATA3 can offer. Perfectly understandable for Samsung to release this drive as that's where most of the market is, but the MSRP is a little disappointing.

However, as someone with an m.2 Ultra slot on his mobo, I have to echo the request for PCIe NVMe drives. Hopefully we're less than a year away and the MSRPs won't be too insane.

 

[Galatian]

This is a great looking drive that seems to be the best SATA3 can offer. Perfectly understandable for Samsung to release this drive as that's where most of the market is, but the MSRP is a little disappointing.

However, as someone with an m.2 Ultra slot on his mobo, I have to echo the request for PCIe NVMe drives. Hopefully we're less than a year away and the MSRPs won't be too insane.

Well they did show of the SM951 and SM953, both of which are NVMe M.2 drives. They are for OEMs and Business only, but I hope some will hit the eBay retail channel nonetheless.

 

[Eeqmcsq]

Except for the price, it's a very nice drive, plus a 10 year warranty! My only other complaint is that it seems like SSD development has stabilized and matured. Improvements at the high end are now incremental or hitting the SATA3 6 Gbps wall.

 

[ctk1981]

Nice looking drive but I'm with others, M.2 slot. Debating about pulling the trigger on a Samsung XP941 but I haven't heard of a patch/fix for the windows 7 trim problem.

 

[aigomorla]

the price hurts...

especially when the MX100 is less then half the price of it.

True its a new fab process, however with crucial's partnership with intel, I don't think its that far off for Crucial to get 3D nanad as well.

 

[Atreidin]

Looks great but MX100 is my new SSD price ceiling.

 

[Revolution 11]

the price hurts...

especially when the MX100 is less then half the price of it.

True its a new fab process, however with crucial's partnership with intel, I don't think its that far off for Crucial to get 3D nanad as well.

I believe that Micron is considering 3D NAND for their next generation. Though they may stick with regular NAND, depending on the costs.

Here is something interesting that I saw in Techreport's review.

"NAND can survive 3,000 write cycles at 50MB/s or 35,000 cycles at 36MB/s. That's an order-of-magnitude increase in endurance for only a 28% decrease in performance. Samsung wouldn't elaborate when I asked if V-NAND offers the freedom to choose between higher performance and longer endurance, but it sounds like the company will have more to say on the matter later this year."

I can easily see a slower "corporate" or "enterprise" version of this drive if they can really offer 35,000 cycles.

 

[Galatian]

Nice looking drive but I'm with others, M.2 slot. Debating about pulling the trigger on a Samsung XP941 but I haven't heard of a patch/fix for the windows 7 trim problem.

I decided to wait. Samsung announces a customer version of the XP941 AND the M.2 NVMe SSDs sound more then tempting. They will probably be cheaper then the Intel drives while being in spitting distance from a performance standpoint.

 

[Burner27]

Looking at the raw numbers on performance, I don't see any difference over an 840 Pro....unless I missed something.

 

[BrightCandle]

The 3D NAND is amazing, so many layers added and the reliability that the bigger process brings makes this quite viable. Really interesting approach to the problem with NAND.

But the performance is hampered by the interface and the price is simply too high. The 840 was a decent drive and it does seem like Samsung is really ahead of everyone else in terms of tech for nand (tlc on the evo, now 3D nand) and so far its paid off so far. But price wise its a bitter pill to swallow twice the price of Crucial's MX100 which arguably doesn't perform all that differently. Crucials drive is less "robust" but its still robust enough for any desktop user. This is Samsung's issue with the 850, reduced prices is where the volume is, the market moved.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Except for the price, it's a very nice drive, plus a 10 year warranty! My only other complaint is that it seems like SSD development has stabilized and matured. Improvements at the high end are now incremental or hitting the SATA3 6 Gbps wall.

Its called milking the cow until the cow runs dry.

 

[BrightCandle]

I would be interested in a PCI-E version with NVMe however, this high durability and reliably performance combined with a nice big PCI-E 4x would be a killer drive. But it needs to hit both a much higher performance level and a reasonable price to make it viable.

 

[R0H1T]

I would be interested in a PCI-E version with NVMe however, this high durability and reliably performance combined with a nice big PCI-E 4x would be a killer drive. But it needs to hit both a much higher performance level and a reasonable price to make it viable.

That'd be really hard to achieve at 40nm, though admittedly Samsung can add additional layers on top of their 2nd gen V-NAND (something in the region of 40 layers perhaps) & milk it for another year or two provided the R&D & manufacturing costs make that endeavor viable. What I, like many others, am interested in is some TLC flavor &/or a node shrink that brings the price down to a more consumer level but apart from that(price) it's truly a killer SSD & two of these in RAID0 will probably match a current gen PCIe 2x SSD in terms of price & performance but will definitely exceed their endurance, the last one being the most important factor as far as I'm concerned especially for NAND storage.

 

[BrightCandle]

In total on my Crucial M4 so far I have used 2% of its life. Its been on for 9090 hours and I can't remember when I bought it but this is at least the second machine its been in. Endurance for all the SSDs I have had seems like a none issue, I still have a gen 1 Intel SSD 80GB drive and its got 95% of its life left and I have hit on that drive a lot day in day out for years and years. Endurance IMO for the desktop/laptop is a none issue. These things last far longer than the point of obsolete, or they fail in a spectacular way. I don't care much for endurance really, I care about how much space I can get at what price and how reliable that performance is. If their intention is to target the enterprise then endurance definitely matters, but for the usual non pro market its just not a problem people have.

 

[R0H1T]

In total on my Crucial M4 so far I have used 2% of its life. Its been on for 9090 hours and I can't remember when I bought it but this is at least the second machine its been in. Endurance for all the SSDs I have had seems like a none issue, I still have a gen 1 Intel SSD 80GB drive and its got 95% of its life left and I have hit on that drive a lot day in day out for years and years. Endurance IMO for the desktop/laptop is a none issue. These things last far longer than the point of obsolete, or they fail in a spectacular way. I don't care much for endurance really, I care about how much space I can get at what price and how reliable that performance is. If their intention is to target the enterprise then endurance definitely matters, but for the usual non pro market its just not a problem people have.

The endurance rating is just a happy consequence of Samsung using 40nm tech instead of the class leading 1x nm that they use for other drives. Unlike you I do want class leading warranty to back those endurance numbers but the fact that you mention previous gen drives to back your SSD reliability claims also shows that (perhaps?) you wouldn't be too keen on TLC or MX100(16nm) like drives. To put it simply would you prefer your current SSD's to perform at 2~4x than what they're giving you or would you prefer them having 1/10 or 1/100 endurance rating ? I think you're overemphasizing the supposed lack of performance of the 850 pro vis-à-vis PCIe(NVMe) drives, like others I do believe that SATA III is holding it back. RAID0 will most definitely bridge the performance gap to an extent & I doubt most users will feel compelled to drive their storage @2GBps even 10yrs down the line especially since we're reaching the limits of silicon based computing with general purpose processors. I do however agree with the popular sentiment that the current SATA interface(s) need to be replaced with something faster & more efficient.

 

[Soulkeeper]

I'm actually somewhat surprised they made it to market this year.
Given the rate that many new techs seem to be advancing the last few years, I wasn't entirely hopefull. This is a welcome surprise. I can't wait to see what micron answers with since they tend to have the power loss protection.
It's like the SSD fight just entered round 2

 

[gmaster456]

Just bought an 840 Evo. For the price difference I don't think the performance would benefit me enough, especially since all my laptops are SataII so I wouldn't even benefit until I get a new machine anyway.

On a side note, SSD machines have gotten cheap enough that I don't know why OEMs are still shipping machines with mechanical drives.

 

[G73S]

Just bought an 840 Evo. For the price difference I don't think the performance would benefit me enough, especially since all my laptops are SataII so I wouldn't even benefit until I get a new machine anyway.

great choice. the 840 EVO provides the best bang for the buck. very good performance and high capacity

The 850 PRO is like maybe 5-10% better in benchmarks? you wouldn't feel it in real world usage at all

I have 3 Samsung 840 EVOs in my Alienware 18 laptop

The new RAPID 1.1 rocks and blows every other SSD out of the water!

 

[gmaster456]

great choice. the 840 EVO provides the best bang for the buck. very good performance and high capacity

The 850 PRO is like maybe 5-10% better in benchmarks? you wouldn't feel it in real world usage at all

I have 3 Samsung 840 EVOs in my Alienware 18 laptop

The new RAPID 1.1 rocks and blows every other SSD out of the water!

Thanks. I did some research and that looked like it was the best price performance SSD out right now. I was a little out of the loop. Last time I was in the market for an SSD the Crucial M4 was the one to get. I don't know how longs its been since then though.

 

[G73S]

Thanks. I did some research and that looked like it was the best price performance SSD out right now. I was a little out of the loop. Last time I was in the market for an SSD the Crucial M4 was the one to get. I don't know how longs its been since then though.

when you get it, make sure you do a clean Windows install, not just migrate your data

also ensure AHCI mode is selected in BIOS

then after you install the OS, use Samsung Magician to OP the drive by 10 - 30% (depending how much space you actually can set aside)

then apply the OS optimization tweaks in Samsung Magician, choose the RELIABILITY option which disables SUPERFETCH, minimizes your page file to 1 GB and other tweaks


the moment you open the box, you will start drooling just by touching it, it is one quality SSD. very sturdy and well packaged

do not forget to stick the "Samsung SSD Activated" sticked on your computer to boost your ego :whiste: