It appears we may have been wrong...AMD is going for the jugular perhaps

[Duvie]

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/8499

 

[Vegitto]

Interesting. With the money they get from this, they might be able to afford a new FAB! FAB40, perhaps?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Vegitto
Interesting. With the money they get from this, they might be able to afford a new FAB! FAB40, perhaps?

Soooo, that's all this means to you? What about the thousands of people who will lose their jobs at Intel when Intel tries to recoup some of the money the courts force them to pay AMD? You don't think about those things do you... You think maybe AMD will hire all of the people Intel lays off? Sure thing....... don't call us we'll call you. All you care about is the f'ing chips. Correct me if I'm wrong because I hope I am. And if you say, "Cry me a River", your legs need bustin.

 

[Fern]

According to Gateway executives, their Company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim Intel has beaten them into "guacamole" in retaliation.

$50 million in damages seems kinda low to me.

Fern

 

[Stoneburner]

Keys, since a monopoly results in inefficient markets, the overall benefit from an AMD victory (provided intel is guilty of what it is charged) will be economically beneficial to everybody. So when that intel worker heads to his local employment agency, the employment agency using amd based servers will be able to quickly find him a new job thanks to AMD INSIDE.

 

[ender11122]

Originally posted by: Fern

According to Gateway executives, their Company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim Intel has beaten them into "guacamole" in retaliation.

$50 million in damages seems kinda low to me.

Fern

It is low. Just think of how many years this has gone on and how much money these companies actually earn. The US lawsuit is talking about BILLIONS of dollars.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Stoneburner
Keys, since a monopoly results in inefficient markets, the overall benefit from an AMD victory (provided intel is guilty of what it is charged) will be economically beneficial to everybody. So when that intel worker heads to his local employment agency, the employment agency using amd based servers will be able to quickly find him a new job thanks to AMD INSIDE.

That's pretty ridiculous, thanks.

 

[Stoneburner]

THere might be limits under the particular japanese law, or there may have been civil sanctions attachable under the commissions findings that are limited to $50 million.

 

[Duvie]

maybe that is because the suit was filed against Intel's japanese sales subsidiary.....This is not the big banana....


Keys calm down....No way would this ever hurt Intel financially enough to cause there collaspe. They would appeal it to the end of time anyway which sleazy lawyer tricks and then they always either settle after that or it gets reduced....

Jury rewards tend to be ricidulous (and more so in the states).....There likely will be punitive damages and compensatory damages as well...


<<AMD has also filed another suit seeking additional damages for Intel actions not covered by the JFTC findings, and they describe the whole shebang as "only the tip of the iceberg.">>

This is the commetnt I really focused this thread on...



<<For its part, all we've seen so far out of Intel in response to AMD's legal barrage is a brief statement by CEO Paul Otellini that reads like so:

?Intel has always respected the laws of the countries in which we operate,? Otellini said. ?We compete aggressively and fairly to deliver the best value to consumers. This will not change.

?Over the years, Intel has been involved in other antitrust suits and faced similar issues. Every one of those matters has been resolved to our satisfaction. We unequivocally disagree with AMD?s claims and firmly believe this latest suit will be resolved favorably, like the others.? >>

Comment from Intel is a farce...they haven't faced the level of these accusations before or the sheer number of them.....I think they are kidding themselves and the past JFTC ruling suggest a possible precedent for the US courts of recognized wrongdoing already....

I thought this may be settled out of court, but if many more of these come out then it is clear AMD is serious about trying to recoup money there stockholders may have been rightly swindled out of.....



The only ppl I see losing jobs are upper management at this point....once the stockholders clean house after they lose the case in the courts and in the courts of public opinion....

AMD seems to be going all out to make sure everyone is hearing this...i have seen it on all the major news reports and beyond just the business shows...I haven't sen a local report yet since intel is like 15-18k of jobs in the county I live in alone....

 

[MDE]

What's a guggler? I think you meant jugular . Not trying to be a spelling nazi but you were waay off on that one.

 

[Duvie]

Thanks I fixed it...Would be nice if we had a spell check with the threads like other sites....

 

[MBrown]

This is getting exciting.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I'd hope AMD would use some of the money on advertising before throwing it into another fab. Although I guess that depends on how hurt intel is. They might not need to advertise as much if intel suddenly gets a bad name. However I'd rather see the 1-2 punch, bad name then a relentless rush of advertising getting the name out.

Whatever, even if nothing happens this whole suit should be a good kick in the pants to get Intel's gears grinding and finally pumping out excellent products for the desktop again. They've definately seemed a little too lazy for my liking in the past year or 2.

 

[mamisano]

They are pretty far along with litigation (sp) in Japan. If they can win ANY type of financial award then it would be a great precident for the US based case.

 

[justly]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Soooo, that's all this means to you? What about the thousands of people who will lose their jobs at Intel when Intel tries to recoup some of the money the courts force them to pay AMD? You don't think about those things do you... You think maybe AMD will hire all of the people Intel lays off? Sure thing....... don't call us we'll call you. All you care about is the f'ing chips. Correct me if I'm wrong because I hope I am. And if you say, "Cry me a River", your legs need bustin.

I'm not going to outright correct you, but I will ask what do those "thousands of people who will lose their jobs at Intel" do? If they where hired to do a job that needs to be done (and they are actually doing that job) then how can they be fired? Or do you believe that Intel hires people just out of the goodness of there heart to better the economy (and waste their inverstors profit margins).

 

[Duvie]

I like these ones as well


<<Intel was able to stare down an antitrust lawsuit Intergraph filed against the chipmaking giant back in 2000. The case was eventually settled.>>

Wasn't even close to the same allegations...LOL!!! Look at the comment "settled"....I have always said guilty ppl settle but in business it is about what will save money...I still tend to lean more to guilty but tend to lead to proof of smoke but no flames....



<<After a raid on its offices in Japan, Intel agreed to work with Japan's Fair Trade Commission (JFTC), which accused Intel of offering rebates to five Japanese PC makers--Fujitsu, Hitachi, NEC, Sony and Toshiba--in exchange for refusing to buy or to limit their purchases of chips made by AMD and Transmeta.>>

It takes raids...yeah that was serious..I am sur ethey were being stonewalled....Hope they got there before the "shredding party".....



<<Meanwhile, AMD began running full-page ads in newspapers today to outline the reasons for its antitrust lawsuit and to issue a call to action.

The ad, which ran in newspapers from The New York Times to Capitol Hill's Roll Call, expands AMD's legal fight into the realms of public relations and public policy.>>

Some may say why dont these fvckers spend money on advertising their products...sad thing is the moentary rewards could be more then they make actually selling chips in a year!!!!

 

[RichUK]

oh well .. the question is, will it affect us the end user?? .. if not then who cares!

Rich

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Vegitto
Interesting. With the money they get from this, they might be able to afford a new FAB! FAB40, perhaps?

Soooo, that's all this means to you? What about the thousands of people who will lose their jobs at Intel when Intel tries to recoup some of the money the courts force them to pay AMD? You don't think about those things do you... You think maybe AMD will hire all of the people Intel lays off? Sure thing....... don't call us we'll call you. All you care about is the f'ing chips. Correct me if I'm wrong because I hope I am. And if you say, "Cry me a River", your legs need bustin.

They'll be hired by AMD of course...!

 

[Zebo]

Over the years, Intel has been involved in other antitrust suits and faced similar issues. Every one of those matters has been resolved to our satisfaction. We unequivocally disagree with AMD?s claims and firmly believe this latest suit will be resolved favorably, like the others.?

WTF is he talking about, Intels lost every single suit AMD has brought.. I guess losing is "satisfactory" is his eyes. Granted they never lost billions like this suit has potential for, but they still lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: justly

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Soooo, that's all this means to you? What about the thousands of people who will lose their jobs at Intel when Intel tries to recoup some of the money the courts force them to pay AMD? You don't think about those things do you... You think maybe AMD will hire all of the people Intel lays off? Sure thing....... don't call us we'll call you. All you care about is the f'ing chips. Correct me if I'm wrong because I hope I am. And if you say, "Cry me a River", your legs need bustin.

I'm not going to outright correct you, but I will ask what do those "thousands of people who will lose their jobs at Intel" do? If they where hired to do a job that needs to be done (and they are actually doing that job) then how can they be fired? Or do you believe that Intel hires people just out of the goodness of there heart to better the economy (and waste their inverstors profit margins).

Hahahahaha...haha...ha. I wish that was the way things were done here.

 

[HDTVMan]

This will certainly tell us how Japan government works over US government.

Judging from past issue Japan doesnt take crap from anyone anymore. Seems they have been getting beat up a lot in the past but they arent going to take it any more.

GO JAPAN!

 

[HDTVMan]

Maybe its Per Incident.

 

[jpeyton]

I'm giving the :thumbsup: to AMD on this one.

It's quite obvious that Intel is making the processor decisions for their OEMs, and not the other way around.

I'm sure there are more than a handful of OEMs that would like to offer both Intel and AMD and let the consumers decide.

 

[fatty4ksu]

Like they have for 15 years, Intel will rape AMD in the court room.

Sorry folks.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
Like they have for 15 years, Intel will rape AMD in the court room.

Sorry folks.

Sorry, but what court case are you referring to?
I believe AMD has won or tied all of their cases with Intel, including their win at the Supreme Court last year... 7 to 1 in favour of AMD.

Supreme Court Opinion pdf

BTW, by tied I mean that Intel settled...