It appears both sides are wanting to talk about border security...

[blackangst1]

Well, all except Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...gin-quest-for-border-security-deal/ar-BBSVYST

I think this is a good sign. Some highlights of the article:

"Smart border security is not overly reliant on physical barriers," House Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Nita Lowey, D-N.Y., said as the session began. She said the Trump administration "has failed to demonstrate" that physical barriers "are cost effective compared to better technology and more personnel."

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., who chairs the Senate Appropriations Committee, said that while Republicans favor improved border security technology, "Smart technology alone does not actually stop anyone from crossing into the U.S. illegally."
Shelby said physical barriers are needed "not from coast to coast, but strategically placed where traffic is highest."

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who pressured Trump last week to end the shutdown, warned the president against triggering another shutdown or declaring a national emergency on the Southwest boundary, a move that could let him redirect budget funds to building segments of the wall.
When asked to describe a border security agreement he'd support, McConnell said, "I'm for whatever works that would prevent the level of dysfunction we've seen on full display here the last month and also doesn't bring about a view on the president's part that he needs to declare a national emergency."

Members of both parties have opposed Trump declaring an emergency on the Mexican border. They say it would set a dangerous precedent for future presidents who might use the strategy to push agendas that stall in Congress. If Trump issued the declaration, it would trigger near-immediate lawsuits that might block the money anyway.

 

[Commodus]

Well, all except Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...gin-quest-for-border-security-deal/ar-BBSVYST

I think this is a good sign. Some highlights of the article:

You can imagine how much of a headache this is giving Trump (and a well-deserved headache, too). If he can't even get his own party to back a wall, what chance does he have going forward?

Not that most people are complaining... especially not if it leads to him being voted out in 2020. It'd be great to have adults in the White House again.

 

[nickqt]

You can imagine how much of a headache this is giving Trump (and a well-deserved headache, too). If he can't even get his own party to back a wall, what chance does he have going forward?

Not that most people are complaining... especially not if it leads to him being voted out in 2020. It'd be great to have adults in the White House again.

I'd take an emotionally stable teenager.

 

[ivwshane]

Don't get your hopes up, there still will be no wall. The Republicans have dug in their heels on the talking point that dems supported a wall before.

 

[Stokely]

Some GOP congress critter was on NPR yesterday and started spluttering when the program host asked about the wall. "Well, I don't think...I mean...we are all caught up in calling it a "wall", we are talking about barriers, no need to get hung up about terms..." *splutter* *hem* *haw*

No, you stupid choad, your own leader has been very fucking explicitly saying it's a WALL and generally saying it will solve every problem in the country if we have a 100 foot wall marching across the wasteland.

Not one rational person in this country would object to physical barriers where they are needed, after knowledgeable people are consulted (ie, not Trump). Instead of a reasonable discussion, we get: walls will keep our daughters from being raped; gang members riding mad max vehicles; and migrants found with prayer rugs, omg terrorists!

 

[blackangst1]

You can imagine how much of a headache this is giving Trump (and a well-deserved headache, too). If he can't even get his own party to back a wall, what chance does he have going forward?

Not that most people are complaining... especially not if it leads to him being voted out in 2020. It'd be great to have adults in the White House again.

If he would compromise and offer up fencing/wall at strategic locations, which the Democrats would likely support (as they have many times before) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/fact...-for-new-border-barriers-hes-right/ar-BBStjrT

 

[blackangst1]

Don't get your hopes up, there still will be no wall. The Republicans have dug in their heels on the talking point that dems supported a wall before.

But they have. Several times. Just not a full wall that Trump wants.

 

[Bitek]

Some GOP congress critter was on NPR yesterday and started spluttering when the program host asked about the wall. "Well, I don't think...I mean...we are all caught up in calling it a "wall", we are talking about barriers, no need to get hung up about terms..." *splutter* *hem* *haw*

No, you stupid choad, your own leader has been very fucking explicitly saying it's a WALL and generally saying it will solve every problem in the country if we have a 100 foot wall marching across the wasteland.

Not one rational person in this country would object to physical barriers where they are needed, after knowledgeable people are consulted (ie, not Trump). Instead of a reasonable discussion, we get: walls will keep our daughters from being raped; gang members riding mad max vehicles; and migrants found with prayer rugs, omg terrorists!

Democrats have been strong and effective on border security. The data shows this.

What's not going to happen is giving in to hostage takers, liars and racists to needlessly seize private land just to waste taxpayer money building easily defeatable vanity projects.

Free the hostages, bring real facts and experts and we can talk.

 

[Brainonska511]

The Democratic Party, throughout this whole affair, has always been open to border security. The point of contention is spending money on a useless, boondoggle of a monument to stupidity and racism.

 

[SMOGZINN]

But they have. Several times. Just not a full wall that Trump wants.

In that sentence you just said that they supported a wall but didn't.

They support a wall. As long as it is not a wall but a fence, and is already there and doesn't need to be built, just maintained and repaired.
This is your talking point, and somehow you think this proves something.

 

[zinfamous]

Weird, because Dems have been talking about border security for at least 2 decades now. Hell, the GOP has been desperately trying to remind us all about this through the nonsensical bullshit over the last couple of months.

How long does it really take these memos to filter down to the chaff on the tent floor?

 

[blackangst1]

In that sentence you just said that they supported a wall but didn't.

They support a wall. As long as it is not a wall but a fence, and is already there and doesn't need to be built, just maintained and repaired.
This is your talking point, and somehow you think this proves something.

You should read the link I posted a few posts up

 

[BurnItDwn]

I'd take an emotionally stable teenager.

Too Bad Mayne's Canadian, he'd be my pick. The white house garden would be awesome!

 

[Genx87]

But they have. Several times. Just not a full wall that Trump wants.

Everybody knows the best walls are the biggest walls. Just ask Trump. I think the amusing part. If they ever get that 2200 mile wall built. In the future republicans would refuse fund maintenance

 

[Vic]

But they have. Several times. Just not a full wall that Trump wants.

Just a month ago, and for all of the 23 months prior, Trump and the Republicans could have passed a bill to build that full wall without one single Democratic vote.

But they didn't. And yet now that Dems hold the House, suddenly it's a national emergency and the Dems' fault that the Republicans didn't build a wall while they controlled every branch of the government.

That leads me to believe that it's not a full wall, or any wall, that Trump wants, but that what he wants is to rile up the political divisions between us for his own political purposes (like getting re-elected).