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Lifer
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I can't stand this heat. Please make it stop.

Interesting explanation of why our housing stock is so bad at dealing with extreme climates.


The most bizarre bit - it's all about the nipples.

...in many parts of the UK, homes that face each other at the rear are required to be built 21 metres apart. This large distance means that instead of clustering buildings together around cool courtyards or shady streets, as is common in hotter climates, many homes in new neighbourhoods are directly exposed to the sun.

The 21-metre rule is, according to the Stirling prize-winning architect Annalie Riches, a bizarre hangover from 1902, originally intended to protect the modesty of Edwardian women. The urban designers Raymond Unwin and Barry Parker walked apart in a field until they could no longer see each other’s nipples through their shirts. The two men measured the distance between them to be 70ft (21 metres), and this became the distance that is still used today, 120 years later, to dictate how far apart many British homes should be built.
 

nakedfrog

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nickqt

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All of the current warming is baked into the cake. Probably the next 20-40 years, as in even if we turned off everything right now and stopped emitting extra CO2 the next 20-40 years would go on uninterrupted.

Of course, as the pyramid scheme that capitalism has always been requires more growth, we not only won't stop emitting CO2, we're going to continue to increase the amount we emit for the next 20-40 years.

Ultimately, I can see the last hurrah "against" cooling are humans making the hilarious tragic decision to start dumping "cooling" particles into the atmosphere, which may help alleviate some of the warming, but will probably be just one more misstep in a continuous journey of missteps.

And, we're not even beginning to discuss the other resource depletion problems that are in progress/reaching terminal stages RIGHT NOW...all we can do is point at the fire burning inside the house, nevermind everything else falling apart around us.

Ecofascism is just a step towards "sustainable neofeudalism.

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This is the same problem with water in the Southwest. People only looking as far as a quarterly earnings call and nothing more.

I often fall asleep wondering how fast the cascade happens when water and habitable places to live dry up.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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All of the current warming is baked into the cake. Probably the next 20-40 years, as in even if we turned off everything right now and stopped emitting extra CO2 the next 20-40 years would go on uninterrupted.

Of course, as the pyramid scheme that capitalism has always been requires more growth, we not only won't stop emitting CO2, we're going to continue to increase the amount we emit for the next 20-40 years.
This is the most important message for the average person today. There is no 'make it stop', there is no 'we need to fix this'. There's no fixing this, there's no making this better... not in the near term anyhow. We're stuck with this, and another 20-40 years of continued warming, no matter what we do today. If we shut down <everything> today, the earth would get warmer for another 20-40 years. We're fucked because we fucked ourselves, and because we allowed ourselves to be fucked. Buckle up buttercup.
 
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Bitek

Lifer
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1. Yeah, climate change, terrible. Somebody (else) should do something.

2. Ok... But all the whining about a hot day in the UK.

Aren't you all the lads who conquered lands all over this Earth where it's this hot in the winter? In wool uniforms?

India, East Indies, West Indies, the Levant, Egypt, possessions all over Africa and other far flung places...

Grin and bear it? Come on now... What happened?
 

Vic

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That and their entire infrastructure and all their dwellings are not built with extreme heat in mind. Houses are not built with having to dissipate heat like that so may of them are just sitting in what amounts to ovens. It's insane.

But hey, no climate change. We just keep hearing more and more (worse) stories every year about extreme weather conditions. Carry on.

Used to be that no one in western Oregon or Washington thought AC was necessary. Our summers were just too mild! Now noone will buy a house without it.
 

Vic

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This is the same problem with water in the Southwest. People only looking as far as a quarterly earnings call and nothing more.

I often fall asleep wondering how fast the cascade happens when water and habitable places to live dry up.
Fun story, a few years ago I visited relatives in St George, UT and we went camping in Zion NP. And while we were hiking one day we crossed the Virgin River and suddenly something dawned on me. And I turned and asked my relatives, wait... this little creek, barely 10 feet wide and a foot deep, is the sole water supply for some 300k people? And they seemed to think it was no big deal.
I hate to say it, but the whole SW has what's coming to them.
 

SteveGrabowski

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This is the same problem with water in the Southwest. People only looking as far as a quarterly earnings call and nothing more.

I often fall asleep wondering how fast the cascade happens when water and habitable places to live dry up.

Ugh I was watching a video a fisherman filmed yesterday at Lake Mead showing one of the I think three main water intakes for the Hoover Dam exposed and just the top part of the opening being visible. In a few days the opening for that intake will be entirely above water level.
 

SteveGrabowski

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All of the current warming is baked into the cake. Probably the next 20-40 years, as in even if we turned off everything right now and stopped emitting extra CO2 the next 20-40 years would go on uninterrupted.

Of course, as the pyramid scheme that capitalism has always been requires more growth, we not only won't stop emitting CO2, we're going to continue to increase the amount we emit for the next 20-40 years.

Ultimately, I can see the last hurrah "against" cooling are humans making the hilarious tragic decision to start dumping "cooling" particles into the atmosphere, which may help alleviate some of the warming, but will probably be just one more misstep in a continuous journey of missteps.

And, we're not even beginning to discuss the other resource depletion problems that are in progress/reaching terminal stages RIGHT NOW...all we can do is point at the fire burning inside the house, nevermind everything else falling apart around us.

Ecofascism is just a step towards "sustainable neofeudalism.

Ugh San Antonio is forecast to have an extra 25 days of 100+ by 2040 to 2060, assuming we stick with the current plan of fuck the Earth. Could only be 13 more days of 100+ if we gave a shit and acted to cut off CO2 emissions. Right now the average is only 18 per year. Though this year we're at 41 with two months of summer to go and mostly wall to wall 100s likely until at least September. By 2100 South Texas will probably end up like the Middle East.
 

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I had an opportunity to relocate to Phoenix back in the early 2000's. Even could have got decent assistance from my employer to help buy a home.

But, even early 20 something me wasn't comfortable living in a desert on borrowed water. It was actually part of the decision making process. Now it was mostly because it was vast concrete sprawl for 10's of miles in any direction and I didn't want to raise kids in that environment.

But it was still something that I heavily considered.
 
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Homerboy

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I had an opportunity to relocate to Phoenix back in the early 2000's. Even could have got decent assistance from my employer to help buy a home.

But, even early 20 something me wasn't comfortable living in a desert on borrowed water. It was actually part of the decision making process. Now it was mostly because it was vast concrete sprawl for 10's of miles in any direction and I didn't want to raise kids in that environment.

But it was still something that I heavily considered.

And what angers me as a Wisconsinite, there are deals going into place/being worked on, for the SW to start buying our fresh water. That's a crock of shit.
The good news is mother nature ALWAYS wins, and sooner rather than later, she will have shrugged off the parasite that is mankind and get back to healing herself.
 

nakedfrog

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Fun story, a few years ago I visited relatives in St George, UT and we went camping in Zion NP. And while we were hiking one day we crossed the Virgin River and suddenly something dawned on me. And I turned and asked my relatives, wait... this little creek, barely 10 feet wide and a foot deep, is the sole water supply for some 300k people? And they seemed to think it was no big deal.
I hate to say it, but the whole SW has what's coming to them.
John Oliver (once again) had a recent episode on water, and went over how there's more water divvied up in agreements from the Colorado River than exists in the river itself :confused:
 
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Lifer
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John Oliver (once again) had a recent episode on water, and went over how there's more water divvied up in agreements from the Colorado River than exists in the river itself :confused:

Yeah - that was a great (as they all are) episode. I laughed/cried pretty hard when he threw out that stat about the amount of water vs agreements. Just insane.
 

sportage

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Michael Burry, the guy who warned about the housing meltdown of 2008, now invests in only one commodity..... WATER.
 

Homerboy

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Michael Burry, the guy who warned about the housing meltdown of 2008, now invests in only one commodity..... WATER.

LOL like people have "extra money" to invest in anything.
something oddly off-putting too about investing in a life sustaining resource.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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1. Yeah, climate change, terrible. Somebody (else) should do something.

2. Ok... But all the whining about a hot day in the UK.

Aren't you all the lads who conquered lands all over this Earth where it's this hot in the winter? In wool uniforms?

India, East Indies, West Indies, the Levant, Egypt, possessions all over Africa and other far flung places...

Grin and bear it? Come on now... What happened?
Mad dogs and Englishman........
 

SteveGrabowski

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John Oliver (once again) had a recent episode on water, and went over how there's more water divvied up in agreements from the Colorado River than exists in the river itself :confused:

Check around the 4:00 mark of this video. Lake Mead is just about to drop under the level of intake #1. If you look around the 5:15 mark they show just how far the lake has fallen in 39 years.

 
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Bitek

Lifer
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Fun story, a few years ago I visited relatives in St George, UT and we went camping in Zion NP. And while we were hiking one day we crossed the Virgin River and suddenly something dawned on me. And I turned and asked my relatives, wait... this little creek, barely 10 feet wide and a foot deep, is the sole water supply for some 300k people? And they seemed to think it was no big deal.
I hate to say it, but the whole SW has what's coming to them.

The area has grown like mad. I have grandfathers that did farming there way back when. Made sense (but still tough) when there was very few people, but it's crazy now with all the Californians et al moving in and building all over the place.
 

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The heat index gets over 100F here, but not the temp. It has been very seasonable, as usual, because t-storms move through in the afternoon and cool things off.

 

IronWing

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When looking at Lake Mead and western water, keep in mind that the majority of the water goes to subsidized feed for cattle and subsidized cotton. The cities, industry, stupid lawns, and all the other uses pale in comparison. We are wasting most of the water on stupidity and the greed of a tiny handful of users.