Israel's murder rate 'among lowest in the world'

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The murder rate in Israel is one of the world's lowest, according to a new study conducted by the University of Haifa, which refutes the claim that Israeli society is becoming more violent.

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In fact, the study shows, the rate of murder in Israel is actually declining.

The murder rate per 100,000 residents has remained almost unchanged over the last 28 years and has even gone down over the past few years, the new research by the Center for the Study of Crime, Law & Society at the university reveals.

"If we look at the absolute numbers, it looks like Israel has become more and more violent over the years," said Prof. Arye Rattner and Prof. Gideon Fishman, who conducted the research.

"But if we take into account that the Israeli population has grown, and measure the rates of crime per 100,000 people, we find that the rate of murder in Israel is one of the lowest in the world."

The absolute numbers released by police each year show a clear rise in the incidence of crime, especially violent crime. The number of murders rose by 12 percent from 1997-2006, and the number of attempted murders rose by 37% during the same period. Another seemingly alarming rise has be2.29 en seen in other violent offenses, such as assault and aggravated assault, the number of which has gone up by 100% since 1980.

However, researchers say these figures create a false impression, as they do not take into account the dramatic rise in the country's population during this period. In order to get a more accurate picture, one has to examine the rates of crime in relation to the population size, they say.

From this perspective, the research shows that the number of murders per 100,000 people was 2.35 in 1980 and 2.29 in 2006.

These numbers are low compared to other countries. In Russia, for instance, the number of murders per 100,000 people in 2004 was 18, with 7.5 in the United States during the same year.

The research also points to distortions in the public perception of crime in Israel. In the 1990s, for example, many people believed the rise in crime was due to substantial immigration from the former Soviet Union. However, the statistics paint a different picture.

Following the large wave of immigration that ended in 1996, immigrants from the FSU constituted 20% of Israel's population but represented fewer than 20% of the violent criminals.

This false perception led to the neglect of other sectors of the population that were indeed perpetrating more violent crimes.

"A more serious problem exists in the Arab sector," said the researchers. "While on average, Arab adults (over age 19) represent approximately 15% of the general population [of that age group], the average rate for reported crime stands at 42.7%, almost three times their representation in the population.

A similar trend exists among Arab teens (ages 12-18). While from 1990-2006 they represented 22.8% of the population, they accounted for 33.13% of those accused of violent crime."


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Does anybody know if these numbers include rocket attacks and suicide bombers? 2.29 per 100k seems really low. If the us is 7.5 per 100k with no one attacking us we suck but we knew that already.
 

SamurAchzar

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No, terror acts are categorized separately. Rocket attacks and suicide bombers haven't amounted to significant number of causalities anyway over the last few years. Israel is a very safe place.
 

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Its probably because these people actually have REAL problems to deal with on a day to day basis.
 

fallout man

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Why would Israeli sociopaths kill their own when they can just go "lawfully" take pot-shots with sniper rifles at Palestinian kids? By the time they're done with the military service, they're free of rage and become productive members of society. :roll:
 

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I know my bro was there for a year and did not get murdered. So anecdotal evidence supports this data.
 

Capt Caveman

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When I used to visit Israel, I always felt safe. Used to walk around by myself after midnight.
 

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Does that include the 500 civilians the IDF murdered last week?
 

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Why would Israeli sociopaths kill their own when they can just go "lawfully" take pot-shots with sniper rifles at Palestinian kids? By the time they're done with the military service, they're free of rage and become productive members of society. :roll:

They don't do it so much over the last years as the racist Ministry of Health declared Palestinian kids blood as infected. Since then, random killings of children by Israeli snipers have decreased to only 150 a day.
They still rape the women though.


 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Does that include the 500 civilians the IDF murdered last week?

That's the first I've heard that the 500 Pal dead are ALL, or even mostly, civilians. Or are you just full of shit?
 

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2.9 per 100,000?

Saudi and Qatar have even lower stats. so, who the hell cares?

http://www.nationmaster.com/gr...ime-murders-per-capita

Yeah... I guess it's not murder when the killings are done by the government in the name of Allah. **EDIT** Or for adultry and similar offense.

Are you saying you are against the death penalty as a whole or that only when it's applied in Arab governments that a state sanction killing should be considered murder?
 

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Why would Israeli sociopaths kill their own when they can just go "lawfully" take pot-shots with sniper rifles at Palestinian kids? By the time they're done with the military service, they're free of rage and become productive members of society. :roll:

We don't condemn you when you spray Raid and d-CON, why are you condemning Israel?

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

They don't do it so much over the last years as the racist Ministry of Health declared Palestinian kids blood as infected. Since then, random killings of children by Israeli snipers have decreased to only 150 a day.
They still rape the women though.

I heard the joos use palestinian children's blood to make matzah.
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: fallout man
Why would Israeli sociopaths kill their own when they can just go "lawfully" take pot-shots with sniper rifles at Palestinian kids? By the time they're done with the military service, they're free of rage and become productive members of society. :roll:

We don't condemn you when you spray Raid and d-CON, why are you condemning Israel?

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

They don't do it so much over the last years as the racist Ministry of Health declared Palestinian kids blood as infected. Since then, random killings of children by Israeli snipers have decreased to only 150 a day.
They still rape the women though.

I heard the joos use palestinian children's blood to make matzah.

+1
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Does that include the 500 civilians the IDF murdered last week?

sorry to say dude, but 90% of those people (probably more) are terrorists or abet terrorists.


abetting in my terms means... letting them fire missiles from their community, letting them store stuff in their houses/apartments. let them use them as human shields.

im not saying hamas takes a woman random from the street type human shields, people who agree before to do it.

israel has only been targeting terrorists. any and all people killed in the attacks are stubborn terrorists or people who didnt want to leave.

also, if you didnt know, Israel has been sending in phone calls to the areas where they will be bombing with enough time of evac.
 

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: fallout man
Why would Israeli sociopaths kill their own when they can just go "lawfully" take pot-shots with sniper rifles at Palestinian kids? By the time they're done with the military service, they're free of rage and become productive members of society. :roll:

We don't condemn you when you spray Raid and d-CON, why are you condemning Israel?

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

They don't do it so much over the last years as the racist Ministry of Health declared Palestinian kids blood as infected. Since then, random killings of children by Israeli snipers have decreased to only 150 a day.
They still rape the women though.

I heard the joos use palestinian children's blood to make matzah.

+1


Only a sick piece of shit would equate the murder of civillians with the eradication of roaches. I know that you're going for the kill here with the trolling, but my response to your sick and demented post would yield me a nice forum vacation, you ******* ********** ***-******** ***** ** ****. :D

Here you go, sweet-tits.


http://www.americanfreepress.n...srael_s_other_war.html

Since 2000, 763 Palestinian children have been killed and over 20,000 injured, with at least 2,000 maimed for life. At least a third of those killed were shot by Israeli sharpshooters, and 50% received single gunshots to the head or upper torso.

The group "Physicians for Human Rights" studied the death toll of kids killed by those types of shots and concluded that Israeli snipers deliberately aimed for the head. So far this year 59 Palestinian children have been killed and many more wounded.

At the same time Israelis have kidnapped 342 Palestinian juveniles and are holding them in jails throughout Israel.

Despite the exceptionally high death toll of children in the Occupied Territories, no Israeli sniper or regular soldier has been found guilty of killing a child. That is even more shocking when one realizes that many children were shot on their way to school or while playing games.

One of the first to be killed was a 6-year-old, who was shot in the back as he stepped away from a window in his home.

That was in 2000 when a young Israeli sniper gave a revealing interview to well-known Jewish reporter Amira Hass of the daily newspaper Haaretz. The sniper described the high level of skill of IDF marksmen and claimed they could deliver headshots at 200 yards. More importantly, he admitted that the IDF told its marksmen they could shoot Palestinian kids of 12 and over.

Horrifying incidents include a 13-year-old boy, who was shot in the back in Ramallah on Jan. 23, 2006. Three days later, a 9-year-old boy was shot several times and died in the Gaza Strip. And, on Feb. 15, a mentally-challenged 15-yearold carrying a toy gun was shot several times through the chest. No soldier was charged with those murders.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...raelandthepalestinians

It was the shooting of Asma Mughayar that swept away any lingering doubts I had about how it is the Israeli army kills so many Palestinian children and civilians.

Asma, 16, and her younger brother, Ahmad, were collecting laundry from the roof of their home in the south of the Gaza Strip in May last year when they were felled by an Israeli army sniper. Neither child was armed or threatening the soldier, who fired unseen through a hole punched in the wall of a neighbouring block of flats.

The army said the two were blown up by a Palestinian bomb planted to kill soldiers. The corpses offered a different account. In Rafah's morgue, Asma lay with a single bullet hole through her temple; her 13-year-old brother had a lone shot to his forehead. There were no other injuries, certainly none consistent with a blast.

Confronted with this, the army changed its account and claimed the pair were killed by a Palestinian, though there was persuasive evidence pointing to the Israeli sniper's nest. What the military did not do was ask its soldiers why they gave a false account of the deaths or speak to the children's parents or any other witnesses.

When reporters pressed the issue, the army promised a full investigation, but a few weeks later it was quietly dropped. This has become the norm in a military that appears to value protecting itself from accountability more than living up to its claim to be the "most moral army in the world".

As Tom Hurndall's parents noted yesterday after the conviction of an Israeli sergeant for the manslaughter of their son, the soldier was put on trial only because the British family had the resources to bring pressure to bear. But there has been no justice for the parents of hundreds of Palestinian children killed by Israeli soldiers.

According to the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, the army has killed 1,722 Palestinian civilians - more than one-third of them minors - as well as 1,519 combatants, since the intifada began nearly five years ago; the comparable Israeli figures are 658 civilians killed - 17% minors - along with 309 military. The army has investigated just 90 Palestinian deaths, usually under outside pressure. Seven soldiers have been convicted: three for manslaughter, none for murder.

Last month, a military court sentenced a soldier to 20 months in prison for shooting dead a Palestinian man as he adjusted his TV aerial, the longest sentence yet for killing a civilian, and less than Israeli conscientious objectors have got for refusing to serve in the army.

B'Tselem argues that a lack of accountability and rules of engagement that "encourage a trigger-happy attitude among soldiers" have created a "culture of impunity" - a view backed by the New York-based Human Rights Watch, which last week described many army investigations of civilian killings as a "sham ... that encourages soldiers to think they can literally get away with murder".

In southern Gaza, the killings take place in a climate that amounts to a form of terror against the population. Random fire into Rafah and Khan Yunis has claimed hundreds of lives, including five children shot as they sat at their school desks. Many others have died when the snipers must have known who was in their sights - children playing football, sitting outside home, walking back from school. Almost always "investigations" amount to asking the soldier who pulled the trigger what happened - often they claim there was a gun battle when there was none - and presenting it as fact.

The military police launched an investigation into the death of Iman al-Hams last October only after soldiers went public about the circumstances in which their commander emptied his gun into the 12-year-old. He was recorded telling his men that the girl should be killed even if she were three.

Colonel Pinhas Zuaretz was commander in southern Gaza two years ago when I asked him about the scale of the killing. The colonel, who rewrote the rules of engagement to permit soldiers to shoot children as young as 14, acknowledged that official versions of several killings were wrong, but justified the tactics as the price of the struggle for survival against a second Holocaust.

Perhaps that view was shared by the soldier who shot dead three 15-year-old boys, Hassan Abu Zeid, Ashraf Mousa and Khaled Ghanem, as they approached the fortified border between Gaza and Egypt in April. The military said the teenagers were weapons smugglers and therefore "terrorists", and that the soldier shot them in the legs and only killed them when they failed to stop.

The account was a fabrication. The teenagers were in a "forbidden zone" but kicking a ball. Their corpses showed no evidence of wounds to disable them, only single high-calibre shots to the head or back. The army quietly admitted as much - but there would be no investigation.


http://www.turks.us/article.php?story=20040523073709449

Israeli snipers shot and killed a three year old Palestinian girl after Israel withdrew from the Rafah Refugee Camp where 42 Palestinians were killed during Israel's operation last week.

In the incident, which happened in the Brazil neighborhood of Rafah, Israeli snipers shot the girl Reyan Ebu Zeyd twice in the head. Reyan's uncle Khader said that she was killed after she left her house to go to the grocer after Israeli tanks and armored troops had withdrawn from the area; Reyan had not been able to go out since Tuesday because of the operation. Khader said: "As soon as Reyan got out of the house, we heard the sound of weapons. When we went outside, we found Reyan lying on the ground, shot by the Israeli snipers in her neck and head."

Journalists, who were touring the aftermath of the Israel operation in the region, witnessed the death of the Palestinian girl. President of the United Nations Relief and Work Agency (UNWRA) for Palestinians, Peter Hansen, was among the group of journalists. Hansen said: "We heard the sounds of weapons several times. The hospital confirmed that the girl had been killed."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/20/israel

The tiny hole buried under Asma Mughayar's thick black hair, just above her right ear, is an illusion, according to the Israeli army. So is her family's insistance that Asma, 16, and her younger brother Ahmed, were both shot through the head by an Israeli soldier as they fed their pigeons and collected the laundry from the roof of their home in Rafah refugee camp.

But their corpses tell a different story, as do the bodies of other children brought to Rafah's hospital and makeshift mortuaries even before yesterday's carnage, in which Israeli tanks and helicopters fired on a peaceful protest by Palestinians in the camp, killing 10 demonstrators, according to Palestinian paramedics.

Israel disputes the Mughayar family's account: that soldiers shot the children on Tuesday. Hours after their death, Israeli officials blamed the Palestinians, telling reporters that Asma and Ahmed had been killed in a "work accident" - a euphemism for bomb-makers blowing themselves up - or by Palestinian fighters who had left a landmine in the street.

"A preliminary investigation indicates they were killed by a bomb intended to be used against soldiers. It was set outside a building by Palestinians to hit an Israeli vehicle. This is probably what happened," a military spokesman said yesterday.

Dr Ali Moussa, head of Rafah hospital, is as furious at the claim as he is at Israel's assertion that almost all the 20 or more people killed during the army's seizure of the Tel al-Sultan district of the Rafah refugee camp were armed men.

"They are liars, liars, liars, because these children have bullet wounds to the head. There is no doubt about it," he says.

Dr Ahmed Abu Nkaria, who pronounced the Mughayar children dead, insists on proving the manner of their killing. He pulls Asma's body from the mortuary's refrigeration unit and fumbles through the teenager's hair to reveal the hole where the bullet entered above one ear and ripped a much larger wound as it emerged above the other.

"The Israeli propaganda is that they were killed in a work accident. These are the kinds of lies they tell all the time," he says. "They say all the dead are fighters. They say they do not deliberately kill children, but about a quarter of the dead from the first day of shooting are children. The evidence is here in the morgue. Does this girl look as if she was blown up by a bomb?"

Asma's body lies in the hospital mortuary unburied, like all the other dead from Tel al-Sultan, because their relatives are trapped in their homes by a curfew. Her 13-year-old brother's corpse is a short drive away in the cold-storage room of an Israeli-owned flower-growing company.

Ahmed lies with 14 other bodies. Some are wrapped in the flags of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, but Ahmed is swaddled only in the white sheet wrapped around him in the ambulance. He was a small boy who could not easily be mistaken for a man.

Dr Nkaria rolls the child over to show a tiny round hole in his forehead, just above his fringe. There is a much larger hole at the back of the head where the bullet came out. Neither Asma nor Ahmed show signs of any other injuries, particularly of the kind that might be expected from a blast, such as shrapnel spread across the body, burns, or mutilation.

"This is what the Israelis claim is a 'work accident'," Dr Nkaria says.

He points to the corpse of another youth in the cold-store."This is Ibrahim Alqun. He is 14 years old. He was shot in the back of the head. The bullet came out of his right eye," he says. The child's face is badly mutilated by the wound.

The bodies of the children continued to pile up in the mortuary yesterday.

Saber Abu Libda, 13, was shot dead by Israeli soldiers after he left his home in Tel al-Sultan in the morning to find water for his family.

Dr Nkaria's finger probes a tiny hole in the small child's back which masks the devastation done to his heart as the bullet shot through it.

"No one can say this child was a fighter. Look at the size of him and look where they shoot him - in the back, not coming to attack someone," the doctor says.

Saber stepped out of the door with his 16-year-old brother Yousef. He too was shot, but has survived so far, with critical chest injuries.

A third brother, Ayub, ran out to save his younger siblings and was also cut down by the snipers.

"My brothers only went out for water," Ayub says.

"We heard the gunshots and I went to their rescue. They were both lying there bleeding and I was shot in the arm.

"We tried to pull Yousef to the house, but we couldn't and he lay there bleeding for half an hour until the ambulance came."

Other children are luckier. Twelve-year-old Ahmed Hussein looked out of his window in Tel al-Sultan on Tuesday afternoon. A sniper's bullet hit him in the shoulder. The bullet passed through a fleshy part and hit his aunt in the hand.

"I thought the Israelis had withdrawn. I went to the window to see. I wanted to get out of the house and they shot me," he says in his hospital bed.



http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...F931A25757C0A9659C8B63

An Israeli sniper shot and critically wounded a British activist today as he tried to protect Palestinian children near a roadblock in the southern Gaza Strip, his organization said, citing witnesses.

The Israeli Army said it was investigating the report. But it said it knew of only one instance in which soldiers shot in that area today, to kill what the army said was an armed Palestinian who had opened fire on an Israeli post.

The Briton, Tom Hurndall, 21, was in the Rafah refugee camp with eight other members of the International Solidarity Movement, a group that uses nonviolent methods to impede Israeli Army actions in the West Bank and Gaza. Snipers opened fire from a tower to the east, said Tom Wallace, a spokesman for the group, citing members who were present.

Mr. Wallace said that Mr. Hurndall had spotted a child who was in the open, and that he retrieved that child successfully before leaving a protected area to escort two other children to safety. ''As he went to get the other children, he was shot in the back of his head,'' Mr. Wallace said.

The shooting occurred between 4:30 and 5, during daylight hours. Mr. Wallace said that Mr. Hurndall was wearing a bright orange jacket with reflective strips, and that no Palestinians were firing in the area.

Mr. Hurndall was evacuated by helicopter to a hospital in Beersheba.

He was the second activist from the International Solidarity Movement to be shot in less than a week. Last Saturday night, Brian Avery, 24, of Albuquerque, was shot in the face and seriously wounded when he stepped into the street during an Israeli curfew to investigate gunshots in the West Bank city of Jenin.

Members of the group said an Israeli armored vehicle had opened fire on him. An Israeli security official said that there were gun battles in the area at the time and that Mr. Avery might have been struck by a Palestinian bullet.

On March 16, another American member of the group, Rachel Corrie, 23, was crushed to death by an Israeli Army bulldozer as she tried to stop it from demolishing a home in Rafah. Witnesses said Ms. Corrie had been clearly visible, but the army said its investigation showed that the driver never saw her.


I didn't provide high-lights for your dimwit ass. I think it's a good excercise to read through such things and realize that you will have to find peace with God at some point regarding your ignorant bloodthirst. Good luck with that.
 

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Yea, Israelis should probably round up Palestinian teens in bulk, like a discotec of some sort, then send a suicide bombers to get them all. Oh, wait, the Palestinians do that. Well, snipers it is then.

 

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Originally posted by: Bulk Beef
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Does that include the 500 civilians the IDF murdered last week?

That's the first I've heard that the 500 Pal dead are ALL, or even mostly, civilians. Or are you just full of shit?

he is full of shit!!
 

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^^ What would you say the ratio is when using bombs to target a known Hamas member..

Ratio of Civilian to Operative etc..