- Jun 24, 2003
- 29,582
- 12
- 76
http://www.mg.co.za/articlePag...s__international_news/
War is hell. Especially if you're on the losing side.
War is hell. Especially if you're on the losing side.
Israelis Doing It Right
- Thread starter Nebor
- Start date
This really shouldn't be surprising to anyone, when you draft young men into military service you can expect acts of extreme violence. Especially when those committing the violence believe they are superior to those they are harming and also know there is no repercussions. It is just a sad part of human nature, and yeah it really does suck to live in a military dictatorship or an area controlled by martial law because if you even look like you are stepping out of line you are risking your own life.
On another note consider the American "ghettos" where young black men often gain violent tendancies, now imagine a place like the arab slums around Israel where not only is poverty rampant, but you are also under martial law your whole life. It is not to hard to image that someone under such conditions would become a terrorist just as someone who grows up in the American ghettos is much more likely to grow up to be a murder than someone who lives in the middle class suburbs. I know its not the politically correct thing to do here, but the problem with people today (esp. people like Bush) is that they have this view that a terrorist is some evil hate filled zombie and nothing like us normal people. The thing that should scare people is that the people who grow up to be terrorists are NO DIFFERENT than you or I, they are just normal people who over their life took so much shit that at some point they totally gave up on this life and decided they had nothing to live for except maybe the chance to get some revenge on their oppressors. Who here can say that if you were the father of that little boy you would not want to kill Israeli soldiers after that?, or if you are the brother of the man who was shot for no reason that you wouldn't hope to some day get revenge? Terrorism is not some evil beast that can be killed, instead it is like the hydra, the more heads you kill the more you create. Killing 10 innocent people for every 1 terrorist you kill does not cut it, because among those 10 people some will have family or loved ones who will be willing to get revenge and will be the terrorists of tomorrow.
I know thats sounds like some hippie lovefest cr@p, but trust me I am not some idealistic hippie who thinks all of our problems can be solved with free love and pot. I have no problem killing terrorists or killing people who "deserve" is. However the implementation is the problem, it is easy to say you will only kill the terrorists, but much harder to keep a bunch of young men who are both scared for their lives and also on a huge power trip from killing innocent people. Especially such a nebulous enemy as terrorists who blend in with their surrounding instead of just marching out in the open like some might like.
On another note consider the American "ghettos" where young black men often gain violent tendancies, now imagine a place like the arab slums around Israel where not only is poverty rampant, but you are also under martial law your whole life. It is not to hard to image that someone under such conditions would become a terrorist just as someone who grows up in the American ghettos is much more likely to grow up to be a murder than someone who lives in the middle class suburbs. I know its not the politically correct thing to do here, but the problem with people today (esp. people like Bush) is that they have this view that a terrorist is some evil hate filled zombie and nothing like us normal people. The thing that should scare people is that the people who grow up to be terrorists are NO DIFFERENT than you or I, they are just normal people who over their life took so much shit that at some point they totally gave up on this life and decided they had nothing to live for except maybe the chance to get some revenge on their oppressors. Who here can say that if you were the father of that little boy you would not want to kill Israeli soldiers after that?, or if you are the brother of the man who was shot for no reason that you wouldn't hope to some day get revenge? Terrorism is not some evil beast that can be killed, instead it is like the hydra, the more heads you kill the more you create. Killing 10 innocent people for every 1 terrorist you kill does not cut it, because among those 10 people some will have family or loved ones who will be willing to get revenge and will be the terrorists of tomorrow.
I know thats sounds like some hippie lovefest cr@p, but trust me I am not some idealistic hippie who thinks all of our problems can be solved with free love and pot. I have no problem killing terrorists or killing people who "deserve" is. However the implementation is the problem, it is easy to say you will only kill the terrorists, but much harder to keep a bunch of young men who are both scared for their lives and also on a huge power trip from killing innocent people. Especially such a nebulous enemy as terrorists who blend in with their surrounding instead of just marching out in the open like some might like.
DarkThinker
Platinum Member
- Mar 17, 2007
- 2,822
- 0
- 0
"Israelis Doing it Right"?
You know Nebor, when I think about racist blood loving monster like you and your click who find joy in the agony of others, I don't get mad, not at all. I only find comfort in the following verses:
"If God were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature: but He gives them respite for a stated Term: when their Term expires, verily God has in His sight all His servants." (Fatir:45)
One of the main effects of recruiting a high-school graduate is that he won't say "no" to an order.
The article states a side-effect that sometimes tags along.
The piss goes to your head, you're in a lawless land and, being about 20 years old with a gun, you feel invincible and above all else.
Human nature is a part of it. A bigger part is proper mental training and guidance. If that doesn't exist, people will revert to their basic violent nature.
The article states a side-effect that sometimes tags along.
The piss goes to your head, you're in a lawless land and, being about 20 years old with a gun, you feel invincible and above all else.
Human nature is a part of it. A bigger part is proper mental training and guidance. If that doesn't exist, people will revert to their basic violent nature.
StageLeft
No Lifer
- Sep 29, 2000
- 70,150
- 5
- 0
Absolutely correct, perfect.
It's easy for the simpletons to demonize the motivations and call this all black and white, good vs evil, but they forget that the US committed the greatest terrorist act in history (atomic bombings of Japan). If people could admit that, then it would help to lend perspective, but most cannot so they continue on like poorly guided lemmings.
You are SO right but you ARE on the losing side. Your smugness and pride are the flip side of the fact that you live your life in darkness. Like a pig in a sty you know not the life of a king in his castle and your ego has turned pig shit into gold. You take joy in the size of your turds, a real man among those without noses.
I know who you are because I got a good whiff of me. I seen the other side of your face, Dude, and the hell you walk in.
Of course Nebor is gay... and an ultra-conservative. That's gotta be a smorgasbord of glorious self-hatred for you to revel in Moonbeam. Nebor must feel the need to grossly overcompensate with his ridiculous attitude.
Lemon law
Lifer
- Nov 6, 2005
- 20,984
- 3
- 0
To some extent, you have this in any nation. As previous posters have pointed out, you have a 20 year old kid syndrome.
But there is more than that operating in Israel where Palestinians are considered sub human and its woven into the very social fabric of society. In some ways, our old Jim Crow South used to operate in the same way. Separate schools, separate bathrooms, and total second class citizenship. And if they get too uppity, lynch em. For the oppressed, its accept it or resist, with terrorism being the method of choice for both the oppressor and oppressed. As acts of sub human cruelty become the accepted norm. And instead of doing anything to incrementally reduce hatreds, the objective seems to be to do everything possible to increase hatreds.
Then we wonder why there are suicide bombers being produced in such climates of total despair. And more importantly, we fail to understand, how liberating it is for them to have things like rockets which allows them to strike blows from a distance.
The bottom line is, once an oppressed people start to acquire effective weapons, the acts of violence by oppressors start to come back on the oppressors. A lesson always slowly learned.
But there is more than that operating in Israel where Palestinians are considered sub human and its woven into the very social fabric of society. In some ways, our old Jim Crow South used to operate in the same way. Separate schools, separate bathrooms, and total second class citizenship. And if they get too uppity, lynch em. For the oppressed, its accept it or resist, with terrorism being the method of choice for both the oppressor and oppressed. As acts of sub human cruelty become the accepted norm. And instead of doing anything to incrementally reduce hatreds, the objective seems to be to do everything possible to increase hatreds.
Then we wonder why there are suicide bombers being produced in such climates of total despair. And more importantly, we fail to understand, how liberating it is for them to have things like rockets which allows them to strike blows from a distance.
The bottom line is, once an oppressed people start to acquire effective weapons, the acts of violence by oppressors start to come back on the oppressors. A lesson always slowly learned.
This only proves again when you give people the ability to play god they will. We have seen this play out many times in the past 100 years. Turks genocide of Armenians, Stalins Purges in the 1930s, Hitlers Nazis slaughtering millions in specially designed camps. Pol Pots reign, Idi Amine(sp), Saddam Hussein's reign of terror.
This is just on a micro scale compared to the above. But the underlying psychology behind it is the same.
This is just on a micro scale compared to the above. But the underlying psychology behind it is the same.
DarkThinker
Platinum Member
- Mar 17, 2007
- 2,822
- 0
- 0
It's a self feeding loop. The oppressors at the beginning feel %100 justified to hurt the weak, but now with the weak uprising the oppressors feel even more motivation to put more pain and pressure on the weak and it keeps going, till the whole system falls apart in the complete and irreversible demise of one of the loops elements.
But then they plead for sympathy when they're lying on the ground, split apart but still alive, from the nails and ball-bearings of a shaheed. You're right, war is hell. Israel is a small country. Letting this type of hatred simmer will bring about more and more terror, some unimaginable.
Yeah, breaking the arm of a child that has no concept of right and wrong is teaching them:roll:. I get the impression that you're a very bitter, lonely man with no one to love you. You try to find love in death and hatred, which is why you love guns so much. Sad. Why don't you just do the right thing and make the world a better place?
EDIT: Oh, you're gay too? Explains a lot.
ThePresence
Elite Member
- Nov 19, 2001
- 27,727
- 16
- 81
jonks
Lifer
- Feb 7, 2005
- 13,918
- 20
- 81
Stupid. 50 years ago a small force consolidated in one area who used escalating guerilla tactics would simply be destroyed wholesale in aerial bombardment. It is only the Israeli decision to not conduct mass slaughter of civilians, a prinicple the 'oppressed' do not hold to, that allows them to continue their attacks. If a truly serious attack that resulted in thousands of Israeli deaths was traced to the Palestinians, I'm not sure such restraint would be shown.
As to Palestinians being treated as 2nd class citizens, you realize they aren't Israeli citizens at all? You recognize that it is the Palestinian children who are taught in school to hate all Israelis, taught that killing any of them is justified under any circumstance, that there is no distinction between Israeli civilians and military? You also realize that Israeli children are not taught this? That it was the Palestinians who balked when offered 95% of what they asked for at camp david?
Hate is never something to take pride in.
I'm too frustrated to respond to LemonLaw, DarkThinker or Green Bean, so I'll fall back and rely on Jonks to hold the fort. Perhaps these geniuses should take a real close look at how the Muslim and Arab worlds have treated the Palestinians before they go on tirades against Israel.
I'm too frustrated to respond to LemonLaw, DarkThinker or Green Bean, so I'll fall back and rely on Jonks to hold the fort. Perhaps these geniuses should take a real close look at how the Muslim and Arab worlds have treated the Palestinians before they go on tirades against Israel.
There's a lot of myth in your post and it's been debunked countless times on this forum. These may be AIPAC's talking point put those that actually have eyes and ears in the region know that you're lying (even if you don't know).
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 23K
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
-
-
Facebook
Twitter