Israeli Troops open fire on Peace Demonstrators at Seperation Fence, Israeli/Swede shot
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No, I think like almost everyone else in the world, minus the few right wing pro-Israel radicals in the US, they see Israel's blatant theft of land and indiscriminant killing of Palestinians (i.e. firing live rounds to break up an unarmed demostration) as cause enough to demonstrate. Though I agree with you, there should be demonstrations against suicide bombers as well.Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
maybe the peace demostrators should stalk those who launch rockets at civilians, and send suicide bomberstoo hard.... too hard....
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In the Congo they would have all been dead before there was something to cover. Doesn't make it right though. Why was gas not tried first? There is sometimes need to resort to deadly force, however there are levels of restraint.
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unarmed demostrations... where palestinian gunmen snipe at israeli troops, where they toss molatov coctails, and hurl rocks with the intent to maim or kill.Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
No, I think like almost everyone else in the world, minus the few right wing pro-Israel radicals in the US, they see Israel's blatant theft of land and indiscriminant killing of Palestinians (i.e. firing live rounds to break up an unarmed demostration) as cause enough to demonstrate. Though I agree with you, there should be demonstrations against suicide bombers as well.Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
maybe the peace demostrators should stalk those who launch rockets at civilians, and send suicide bombers
and the fact is that these activists are cowards. they blind themselves to the horrors of terrorism, they justify any and all actions of terror against civilians. its easy to protest against the idf. you'lll likely survive. protest against terrorists in palestinian areas and they'll likely tear you limb from limb.
and one must be reminded that it took place in the context of a day where there was a rocket attack and a suicide bombing against civilians. these civilized palestinians indeed.
fact is land can be given back, lives cannot. and the only indescrimant killing is from the palestinians. if warning shots are given and they continue tearing down a defense fence... which doesn't count as peaceful protest, its their own bloody fault they get shot.
if your looking to the majority for moral authority, just look at the crimes, hipocrisy, racism, and ignorance of the majority.. it justifies nothing. believing that if there were no police, there would be no criminals is a fantasy. moral equivalence has no place in this world.
Who are the real cowards? The ones that use tanks at children throwing rocks? Shoot at protesters that present no threat? Launch missles into crowded areas?
It isn't easy to protest against the IDF, as you can see by the latest incident. You protest and you'll be shot at. These protesters appear to have much more guts than most IDF soldiers. This isn't the first time. Not too long ago, an activist was run over by a bulldozer. You remember that?
The IDF chief of staff Ya'alon said the protesters had only themselves to blame. "They masqueraded as Arabs, mingled with Palestinians and entered the...Palestinian side of the fence (area) illegally," he told Israel radio.
Judging by this statement, I guess if you look like an arab, or mingle with palestinians, the IDF can justify shooting at you.
0roo0roo
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the cowards ar ethe parents who allow their children to throw rocks at tanks. listen to interviews with such "children" and they'll tell you that they intent to blind, maim or kill with their slings. its no protest. its policy, sending children as their front line foot soldiers is rather convenient as any casualties work in their favor. there is no policy of shooting children with tanks, get your head out of your ass. if israel uses a tank, its because it has to. without armor they would get shot or blown up. troops on foot would be simplier and cheaper, but not an option at times. israel doesn't just launch missles willy nilly at civilians to kill civilians. if a missle is used, it is used against terrorist leadership responsible for civilian deaths who hides amoung his people. marching into tight quarters where sniper alleys are everywhere and roadside bombs, booby trapped houses etc to try extracting militant leaders can lead to blood baths. palestinians simply shoot rockets indescrimantly at civilians. the simple fact is this, the israelis use restraint, they didn'tfire an RPG at the crowd as the palestinian mindset would have demanded. they shot warning shots,and only shot at them after. these were not peaceful protests, but a mob destroying a defensive wall.
you complain that israel has to kill militant leaders. well, they wouldn't have to if the leaders didn't constantly attack and plan more attacks on civilians. after all, the palestinians only retort is that they will kill more civilians as revenge. well thats all very nice and good since they were intent on doing it anyways. without police there would be no criminals...
lying down in front of an armored bulldozer is foolish. from many accounts she was lying down, and not wearing bright clothing as many pictures of her at other times and locations have shown. the operators field of vision is severely restricted. either way, its telling that only a non palestinian would do such a thing to begin with. the palestinians chose violence long ago, and aren't turning back.
you complain that israel has to kill militant leaders. well, they wouldn't have to if the leaders didn't constantly attack and plan more attacks on civilians. after all, the palestinians only retort is that they will kill more civilians as revenge. well thats all very nice and good since they were intent on doing it anyways. without police there would be no criminals...
lying down in front of an armored bulldozer is foolish. from many accounts she was lying down, and not wearing bright clothing as many pictures of her at other times and locations have shown. the operators field of vision is severely restricted. either way, its telling that only a non palestinian would do such a thing to begin with. the palestinians chose violence long ago, and aren't turning back.
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Comment is intended to be a reference to when Eastern Europe was under Soviet occupation and control.
There are few "peaceable" protests where Palestinians are concerned, and the IDF had no way of knowing if there were combatants nearby, so I kind of side with BrooBroo on this one. I also feel that CS gas, and concussion grenades could have been used before shooting at them. Maybe other methods were already tried, and the press missed them. Who knows? You shouldn't escalate straight to to maximum level of force without first trying non-lethal till they prove non-useful is all I'm saying.
Palestinians have every right to protest the fence building.
Israel is using the so called "security fence" as a method of ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing in slow motion. Israel has been issuing permits to farmers whose farm land has been separated by the fence and giving them as little as 2 days in the year outside of the fence. The permit gives them only a slight hope that they can cross to the other side when the fence is opened a couple of minutes a day, and then hope again that it will be opened when they want to get back and that's of course only on the"permitted" days. Once all the fences and walls are completed almost 50% of West Bank will be in Israeli control and Palestinian people will be divided into 3 separated islands.
Who in their right mind would not oppose to such theft?
Israel is using the so called "security fence" as a method of ethnic cleansing, ethnic cleansing in slow motion. Israel has been issuing permits to farmers whose farm land has been separated by the fence and giving them as little as 2 days in the year outside of the fence. The permit gives them only a slight hope that they can cross to the other side when the fence is opened a couple of minutes a day, and then hope again that it will be opened when they want to get back and that's of course only on the"permitted" days. Once all the fences and walls are completed almost 50% of West Bank will be in Israeli control and Palestinian people will be divided into 3 separated islands.
Who in their right mind would not oppose to such theft?
and ofcorse I read about some israeli law that if a land is not tended for for 3 years it automaticly becomes the property of Israel
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ethnic cleansing. what bullsh*t. if a fence that doesn't kill is ethnic clensing, i wonder what a policy of indescriminant attacks on civilians is huh? you miss use words until they lose all meaning. and perhaps thats just the point. there would be no fence if the palestinians had not perpetrated a policy of "ethnic cleansing".
Lets start with the definition of "ethnic cleansing" since it seems to me that you don't grasp the meaning of it:
"Ethnic Cleansing - The systematic elimination of an ethnic group or groups from a region or society, as by deportation, forced emigration, or genocide"
Palestinians have been forced to leave their homes and land for the past 60 years, 3 million refugees is the proof of that. Current fence building is the newest Israeli invention of deportation and forced emigration. Palestininas living on the other side of the fence are forced to get permits otherwise they have no right to live there. You can only imagine how hard it is to get those permits. If the Palestinian house stands in the way of a the fence, new Israeli road or settlement expansion, it is destroyed without a pretext. The fence has a striking resemblance to the ghettos in WW2, just on a much larger scale.
Recent UN and World Bank reports show that Palestinian malnutrition is below the level of sub-Saharan Africa. The road-blocks and check-points can slow down a small trip for food into a whole-day affair, totally devastating Palestinian economy. While a regular Jew can pass the checkpoints in a matter of minutes.
I could go on and on about it if didn't have a job to do, but there is no doubt that it is "ethnic cleansing".
Sorry Sir, your are the one full of b.s.
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sorry sir u are the one full of bs. its not ethnic clensing when the fence keeps out those who would commit genocide. its not keeping out innocents who have done nothing to deserve a barrier. palestinians ethnic cleansing through indescriminant mass killing of civilians as their main weapon puts the fence to shame. the fact is this, the only thing that has prevented total genocide by the palestinians is israeli vigilence.
and the fact is this, the palestinians were moving away even while under the occupation of jordan and egypt. ethnic cleansing? the arab countries encouraged them to leave during the wars so they could better kill the jews, to take all the land, and the palestinians figured why not, after the jews were all dead they'd have their own land back and then some. making calculated decisions for benifit is not ethnic cleansing, its opportunistic. and well, sometimes bets fail. even genocidal bets.
and don't even try comparing the fence to ghettos. the jews of europe didn't spend their time plotting on how to and carrying out mass murder of german civilians, women, children. with an official policy of wiping them out. its the palestinians who follow the german nazi way of racist hatred through propaganda, and infuses it throughout all its official institutions and cultre. its so disingenuous its disgusting.
the fact is the palestinians have turned down peace at every turn from 1947 on in order to continue their policy of mass murder. the simple fact is they could only claim ethnic cleansing at all while they commited their own far far worse version. any economic price they pay for their campaign of genocide is by their doing. the blame lies with them.
what do you say of the arab world cleansing itself of 800 thousanda jews after israel came into existence. surely not all of them left on their own accord. what of the "ghettos" the arab states setup as refugee camps, not allowing them to upgrade their buildings for decades. keeping them as "refugees" with special status as a weapon against israel, using people as a political weapon, ignoring the suffering it causes. the only nation that allows them to become citizens is jordan. kuwait who used 300,000 palestinians for labor simply expelled them when they got dangerous. "If people pose a security threat, as a sovereign country we have the right to exclude anyone we don't want," said Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, Saud Nasir Al-Sabah (Jerusalem Report, June 27, 1991)the arabs have little ground to stand on when it comes to ethnic cleansing.
Today, Palestine refugees in Lebanon do not have social and civil rights, and have very limited access to public health or educational facilities. The majority relies entirely on UNRWA as the sole provider of education, health and relief and social services. Considered foreigners, Palestine refugees are prohibited by law from working in more than 70 trades and professions.
In fact, the Palestinians are the only displaced persons to have become wards of the international community.
Israel?s agreement to pay compensation to the Palestinians who fled during 1948 can be contrasted with the treatment of the 12.5 million Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia, who were expelled after World War II and allowed to take only those possessions they could carry. They received no compensation for confiscated property. World War II's effects on Poland? boundaries and population were considered "accomplished facts" that could not be reversed after the war.
Another country seriously affected by the war was Finland, which was forced to give up almost one-eighth of its land and absorb more than 400,000 refugees (11 percent of the nation?s population) from the Soviet Union. Unlike Israel, these were the losers of the war. There was no aid for their resettlement.
Perhaps an even better analogy can be seen in Turkey?s integration of 150,000 Turkish refugees from Bulgaria in 1950. The difference between the Turks* handling of their refugees and the Arab states* treatment of the Palestinians was the attitude of the respective governments.
Turkey has had a bigger refugee problem than either Syria or Lebanon and almost as big as Egypt has....But you seldom hear about them because the Turks have done such a good job of resettling them....The big difference is in spirit. The Turks, reluctant as they were to take on the burden, accepted it as a responsibility and set to work to clean it up as fast as possible.65
Had the Arab states wanted to alleviate the refugees* suffering, they could easily have adopted an attitude similar to Turkey?s.
Another massive population transfer resulted from the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947. The eight million Hindus who fled Pakistan and the six million Muslims who left India were afraid of becoming a minority in their respective countries. Like the Palestinians, these people wanted to avoid being caught in the middle of the violence that engulfed their nations. In contrast to the Arab-Israeli conflict, however, the exchange of populations was considered the best solution to the problem of communal relations within the two states. Despite the enormous number of refugees and the relative poverty of the two nations involved, no special international relief organizations were established to aid them in resettlement.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf14.html
and the fact is this, the palestinians were moving away even while under the occupation of jordan and egypt. ethnic cleansing? the arab countries encouraged them to leave during the wars so they could better kill the jews, to take all the land, and the palestinians figured why not, after the jews were all dead they'd have their own land back and then some. making calculated decisions for benifit is not ethnic cleansing, its opportunistic. and well, sometimes bets fail. even genocidal bets.
and don't even try comparing the fence to ghettos. the jews of europe didn't spend their time plotting on how to and carrying out mass murder of german civilians, women, children. with an official policy of wiping them out. its the palestinians who follow the german nazi way of racist hatred through propaganda, and infuses it throughout all its official institutions and cultre. its so disingenuous its disgusting.
the fact is the palestinians have turned down peace at every turn from 1947 on in order to continue their policy of mass murder. the simple fact is they could only claim ethnic cleansing at all while they commited their own far far worse version. any economic price they pay for their campaign of genocide is by their doing. the blame lies with them.
what do you say of the arab world cleansing itself of 800 thousanda jews after israel came into existence. surely not all of them left on their own accord. what of the "ghettos" the arab states setup as refugee camps, not allowing them to upgrade their buildings for decades. keeping them as "refugees" with special status as a weapon against israel, using people as a political weapon, ignoring the suffering it causes. the only nation that allows them to become citizens is jordan. kuwait who used 300,000 palestinians for labor simply expelled them when they got dangerous. "If people pose a security threat, as a sovereign country we have the right to exclude anyone we don't want," said Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States, Saud Nasir Al-Sabah (Jerusalem Report, June 27, 1991)the arabs have little ground to stand on when it comes to ethnic cleansing.
Today, Palestine refugees in Lebanon do not have social and civil rights, and have very limited access to public health or educational facilities. The majority relies entirely on UNRWA as the sole provider of education, health and relief and social services. Considered foreigners, Palestine refugees are prohibited by law from working in more than 70 trades and professions.
In fact, the Palestinians are the only displaced persons to have become wards of the international community.
Israel?s agreement to pay compensation to the Palestinians who fled during 1948 can be contrasted with the treatment of the 12.5 million Germans in Poland and Czechoslovakia, who were expelled after World War II and allowed to take only those possessions they could carry. They received no compensation for confiscated property. World War II's effects on Poland? boundaries and population were considered "accomplished facts" that could not be reversed after the war.
Another country seriously affected by the war was Finland, which was forced to give up almost one-eighth of its land and absorb more than 400,000 refugees (11 percent of the nation?s population) from the Soviet Union. Unlike Israel, these were the losers of the war. There was no aid for their resettlement.
Perhaps an even better analogy can be seen in Turkey?s integration of 150,000 Turkish refugees from Bulgaria in 1950. The difference between the Turks* handling of their refugees and the Arab states* treatment of the Palestinians was the attitude of the respective governments.
Turkey has had a bigger refugee problem than either Syria or Lebanon and almost as big as Egypt has....But you seldom hear about them because the Turks have done such a good job of resettling them....The big difference is in spirit. The Turks, reluctant as they were to take on the burden, accepted it as a responsibility and set to work to clean it up as fast as possible.65
Had the Arab states wanted to alleviate the refugees* suffering, they could easily have adopted an attitude similar to Turkey?s.
Another massive population transfer resulted from the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947. The eight million Hindus who fled Pakistan and the six million Muslims who left India were afraid of becoming a minority in their respective countries. Like the Palestinians, these people wanted to avoid being caught in the middle of the violence that engulfed their nations. In contrast to the Arab-Israeli conflict, however, the exchange of populations was considered the best solution to the problem of communal relations within the two states. Despite the enormous number of refugees and the relative poverty of the two nations involved, no special international relief organizations were established to aid them in resettlement.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf14.html
When you have people closed up, unable to get food on regular basis, unable to get to hospital on time, losing their homes, dying of malnutrition all because of the occupying force, it is "ethnic cleansing". You can put whatever spin you want on it, but more and more people are starting to be aware of Israel's Nazi-like tactics.
Here is what the world thinks of your so called "security fence":
George Bush: "Israel should freeze settlement construction, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people and not prejudice final negotiations with the placement of walls and fences," Globe and Mail
Kofi Annan: "Completed sections of the barrier have had a serious impact on agriculture in what is considered the 'breadbasket' of the West Bank,"; "This raises concerns over violations of the rights of the Palestinians to work, health, education and an adequate standard of living." News Interactive
Pope: "The construction of a wall between the Israeli people and the Palestinian people is seen by many as a new obstacle on the road to peaceful cohabitation," Yahoo News
Powell: "Where the president has a problem is when the fence is no longer just on your land but because of the way it's being designed or built, it starts to infringe and take over Palestinian land," Guardian Unlimited
But of course the righteous Israel knows what's best. The most disgusting thing is that Ariel Sharon who said in 1998 "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them [the Palestinians]." is now running Israel and actually following on his promise while the world is watching.
P.S. I will not even bother reading you Zionist-supported links, so don't bother unless you have some better source for your facts.
I hate it when threads get this long. I confess to not having read it all.
But here's a quote from Virtual Jerusalem on who Na'amati is. A real pinko this one, fresh from the IDF. And, I loved the quote Eagle Keeper posted, "According to military sources, one live shot was fired in the direction of the demonstrators, who were attempting to cut through the separation fence with wire cutters." Darn, reminds me of the old John Wayne flicks. No wonder the Israelis are winning. They shot Na'amati twice while firing "one live shot." You've got to love the "in the direction of" instead of "at." Such a kinder, gentler way of doing things. To shoot in their direction, rather than at them. The Virtual Jerusalem quote follows.
Talk about trading places. Last month, Gil Na?amati finished his three-year stint of compulsory military service after serving in Israel?s artillery corps and spending time operating in the West Bank.
Now the 22-year-old kibbutznik is the poster boy for Palestinian grievances against Israel.
During a demonstration last Friday by Israeli left wingers against Israel?s West Bank security barrier, Na?amati was shot by soldiers who until recently might have stood shoulder to shoulder with him at a checkpoint.
?I was in the military and am familiar with the rules of engagement. What I did was not even close to something that I think would warrant opening fire,? Na?amati said Sunday from his hospital bed, where he was recovering from wounds to his leg and hip. ?It?s unbelievable.?
But here's a quote from Virtual Jerusalem on who Na'amati is. A real pinko this one, fresh from the IDF. And, I loved the quote Eagle Keeper posted, "According to military sources, one live shot was fired in the direction of the demonstrators, who were attempting to cut through the separation fence with wire cutters." Darn, reminds me of the old John Wayne flicks. No wonder the Israelis are winning. They shot Na'amati twice while firing "one live shot." You've got to love the "in the direction of" instead of "at." Such a kinder, gentler way of doing things. To shoot in their direction, rather than at them. The Virtual Jerusalem quote follows.
Talk about trading places. Last month, Gil Na?amati finished his three-year stint of compulsory military service after serving in Israel?s artillery corps and spending time operating in the West Bank.
Now the 22-year-old kibbutznik is the poster boy for Palestinian grievances against Israel.
During a demonstration last Friday by Israeli left wingers against Israel?s West Bank security barrier, Na?amati was shot by soldiers who until recently might have stood shoulder to shoulder with him at a checkpoint.
?I was in the military and am familiar with the rules of engagement. What I did was not even close to something that I think would warrant opening fire,? Na?amati said Sunday from his hospital bed, where he was recovering from wounds to his leg and hip. ?It?s unbelievable.?
0roo0roo
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oh, i'm sure all the farms and businesses are behind the security fence. totally absurd just by looking at it. the simple fact is the corrupt plo has recieved incredible amounts of aid, much in cash, billions of euros, even billions from the US , about 200 dollars per palestinian per year from the us alone(poverty line for palsetinians is below 2 dollasr a day), and doesn't use it to help the palestinian people. it instead funds its infrastructure of terror and corruption that is why they starve, not because of some outlying farm behind a fence. the fact is this, it is when the palestinians decide to go on a campaign of violence that their economy suffers. with the intifada they give up the right to work in israel, they destroy themselves. conduct a campaign of terror and blame others when jobs are lost, thats really rich. and its people like you who fall for and thus encourage more palestinian terror tactics that are meant to inspire sympathy, but in the end only really destroy their people. they don't want palestinians to have jobs in israel and build their lives, they want them jobless and angry. and you help promote their inhumanity.
what you leave out? bush tells the palestinians to stop commiting terrorist acts. and well, until they do, the fence will continue. one is defence, and the other is murder. you don't stop defence before murder ends. to do otherwise is simply absurd. if the nazi's were on your front door trying to blow you up, you are allowed a defence.
the pope was against the iraqi war to liberate the iraqi people too. he's political as anyone else.
you think we want to put forward a face of supposed even handedness? just remember, opec controls the oil, and one must not anger opec.
the fact is this. no matter what ariel sharon said, he and israel are not the ones commiting mass murder. and he did not talk of expanding the settlements in the face of peace, no he said it in the face of endless attacks against civilians by the palestinians. if they take some land to punish the palestinians or hold as a barganing chip, so be it. it is not the same as commiting endless acts of mass murder unpunished. it was said when the palestinians cast off all offers of peace to embrace their tried and true tactics. the fact is this, a nation can seize land to protect its people. and a buffer is protection. and don't even pretend it incites anything, since there has always been violence, settlements or not.
and your desperate attempts to slander israel as somehow nazi are rather pathetic. it is the palesitinians who allied themselves with hitler during ww2. their mufti professed the same beliefs as hitler and admired his work, and top palestinian leadership met with hitler to discuss the palestinian implimentation of the final solution in what would become israel. the difference is, germany was denazified after the war. the palestinians never were, and were allowed to continue their hatred through several wars, and their tactics or hate propaganda, indoctrination, and inhumane violence mimic those of hitler to this very day.
Some 210,000 people will be economically and socially cut off from their former neighbourhoods by 2004. UN
You are absurd.
I left it out because it's obvious. Terrorism must stop, no doubt about it. Bush doesn't say, as you seemingly try to imply, that the fence should continue until terrorism is stopped. Most open-minded people agree that oppressive tactics like the fence are the cause of the terrorism and do nothing but increase the resentment. Read the quotes again, I can post another 100s of them, all from respected people from around the world who oppose the construction of the fence.
I was against Iraq war as well, so were the majority of the people around the world. And stop spewing your filth on one of the most respected religious leader on this planet, he has nothing to gain by the peace in the middle east, only the peace itself. If he really was political as you try to insinuate he would have a lot to gain by Jews and Arabs killing each other, don't you think? It's pathetic how you run down anybody who opposed your view, really pathetic.
HaHa! You're grasping, man.
Ohh no? 2,600 Palestinians died as a direct result of Israeli force in the last 3 years or so, if that is not mass murder, I don't know what is.
Would you like some examples of how Israeli tactics compare to Nazism?
-Building walls around innocent Palestinian population like Nazi build ghettos for Jews.
-Occupation
-Writing numbers in ink on the hands of Palestinians at road blocks.
-Making Palestinians dance and sing Hebrew songs at check points
-Torture
-No fair public trials
-Exile
-etc.
Of course no analogy is perfect, but then if it was, it wouldn't be an analogy in the first place.
Take the same examples, and put them up as Palestinian, minus the fence. Now, include the PLO Charter, and it's mission to eliminate the Jews. Arafat only recently (last month) stated that Israel, and Jews have a right to exist.
I dislike the way many people are choosing sides to this complex problem. It's so much more than Black and White. You talk about their issues. How would you fix it? I rarely see any constructive approach other than to label one side evil, and expect that to make it go away.
I dislike the way many people are choosing sides to this complex problem. It's so much more than Black and White. You talk about their issues. How would you fix it? I rarely see any constructive approach other than to label one side evil, and expect that to make it go away.
I'm aware that it's more than Black and White. I wish that Arafat was gone as much as Sharon. I wish the Palestinian terrorism was gone as much as Israeli oppression. It is the way to go about it that is in dispute.
How would I fix it?
I think that the tyranny with which Israeli forces impose collective punishment is at the root of why corrupted people like Arafat are able to stay in power, the fact that Arafat's support only increased in the past months is the proof of that. Israel has the upper hand and is fully capable of going back to 1967 borders, withdrawing all settlements and it's forces and protect it's people from extremists. It would actually be more economical and safer for Israel not to spread out its forces to protect the settlements, and I'm sure it would increase financial support for Israel from countries like US (instead of decrease like in the past months). Why don't they do it? Simple, land-grab.
No Palestinian in their right mind will want to make peace with Israel when they are stealing their land, building Jewish only settlements and walls that will devastate Palestinian economy even more. I know I wouldn't.
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