What use is a warning when the borders are closed and you have nowhere to go? What use is a warning when you have no money and no vehicle and your elderly parents are too ill to walk?
Besides, I didn't say they want to kill civilians - I'm sure most of them don't actively want to. They simply don't care one way or another. The statement I originally replied to was 'the goal of the IDF is to avoid murdering innocent people' which is completely incorrect. Their one and only goal is to win a war and I think you know that.
Are you saying they (missile strikes) happen without his approval? He has relinquished his commander in chief status? He has delegated these approvals to somebody else?
Do you think Obama is deliberately telling the AF to hit civilians?
There's a difference between hitting a time sensitive military target that may result in civilian collateral casualties, and deliberately going after civilian people because they are considered "sub-human" because of their race and religion.
And at the very least there is no evidence that Obama hopes civilians are killed, the way that right wing racist Israelis actively hope for the deaths of Palestinian civilians.
They have become that which they fight, Hamas.
Obama is making the choice to kill civilians. He knows with the air strikes, civilians will be killed, period.
What's this - lefties are now arguing that collateral damage is OK when a democrat does it?
Of course he approves of their deaths. He knows full well that those strikes in Pakistan will kill innocent women and children. Are you saying otherwise?
kylebisme
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I've called you on this lie before:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
I would address the rest of your arguments, but I suppose you'll just duck out of this thread like you did that one regardless.
JD50
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Wow, ok. While GWB was President the left yammered on about the US killing innocents in Iraq, and GWB being responsible for it. Shouldn't Obama be held to the same standard?
Also, he most certainly does approve of innocent civilians being killed, as has every other President. No one is saying that he's deliberately targeting civilians.
JEDIYoda
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Again JD50 you are so stoopidly wrong.....there are quite a few of us who have not blamed GWB for murdering innocent civlains, in fact civilain casualties are just one of the trade offs you make in pursuing Hamas......
To out and out imply that everyone from the left accused GWB of approving the murdering of innocent civilians is again a very nieve and assinine accusation.
Now if you were to have said some of the people on the left, well there might be some truth, yet instead of being 100% truthful you chosae to use words that accuse everyone on the left......
JD50
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I did not say "everyone" on the left, I said "the left". I was speaking in generalities, I thought that most of the people here were intelligent enough to understand that I wasn't stating that every single person on the left behaves exactly the same. Maybe if I'd have used more punctuation you would've understood??!?!?!
Anyways, the original post from Alchemize was not directed towards you, it was directed towards jpeyton, you're the one that decided to respond to Alchemize. It's not my fault if you're too "stoopid" to get his point.
theflyingpig
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lol.
General: Excuse me Mr. President, but the Joint Chiefs need your approval to slaughter women and children in Pakistan.
Obama: *leans back in chair and steeples fingers* Of course general, you have my blessing.
General: Thank you, Mr. President.
Obama: Oh, and general, make sure they are all innocent women and children.
General: Of course, Mr. President. We already have the lists made up as you requested.
Obama: Excellent.
JEDIYoda
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I did not say "everyone" on the left, I said "the left". -- yes and you meant what you said...the left!!
You didn`t say "Some" of the left....
You didn`t say "part" of the left....
You didn`t say "a certain segment' of the left...
You said the Left...as in all the left!!!
To be percise...Alchemize did not have a point.....the point was he thought he would be cool and insinuate that Obama approves of the women and children being killed. Whan I am 100% if asked he would say I do not approve.
Nowhere did he give his approval. Supporting Israel cannot be translated into Obama giving his approval....sheese...
kylebisme
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I support downsizing government, including phasing out government sponsored welfare programs, am a strong proponent of the right to bear arms, and generally favor Republicans over democrats. That said, I've been blaming Bush for every last person who died in the invasion of Iraq since the moment it started to the moment he left office, civilian or otherwise. I suppose that puts me on the left in some people's book. :disgust:
The horror stories of hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of rockets fired on their civilians by Hamas?
Get a grip :roll:
I didn't say anything about Israel, I said he personally approves women and children being killed in Pakistan. Is this not factually correct?
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And how many rockets were launched during the 6 month truce in '08.
Hamas grabs a couple of players and ignores the rest.
In your second reference, they arrested a spokesman, not the people that did it.
When the rockets stop, the embargo will be relaxed. That is what ISrael stated.
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