Israeli settlers outraged at textbooks showing pre-1967 borders

[Martin]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6210144.stm

I wonder what exactly kids there are taught if this causes such outrage. Imagine studying American history and the American-Mexican war without being taught that the south west was Mexican at the time...

 

[imported_dna]

Just another case of BBC-bias....

This is hardly something that belongs on the BBC front page, and I'm certain wouldn't interest many people.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: dna
Just another case of BBC-bias....

This is hardly something that belongs on the BBC front page, and I'm certain wouldn't interest many people.

BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: ayabe
BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

Before answering your question, let me ask this: why would such an obviously local matter be on the front page of the BBC?

I'm not expecting the BBC to be pro-Israel, but they've already demonstrated of being far from neutral, and have published quite a lot of BS during the past conflict in Lebanon.

I'd like to see them publish some stories about other textbooks in the Middle East, in which Israel doesn't exist, the Jews are in inhuman, Islam will be the religion to take over the world, and infidels must be killed in the name of god. Such stories would be far more suitable for the front page.

 

[halik]

The israeli right wing is as beneficial as hammas to the whole peace process. If both sides jsut dropped the fringe nuts, the whole are would be a lot better off.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: ayabe
BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

Before answering your question, let me ask this: why would such an obviously local matter be on the front page of the BBC?

I'm not expecting the BBC to be pro-Israel, but they've already demonstrated of being far from neutral, and have published quite a lot of BS during the past conflict in Lebanon.

I'd like to see them publish some stories about other textbooks in the Middle East, in which Israel doesn't exist, the Jews are in inhuman, Islam will be the religion to take over the world, and infidels must be killed in the name of god. Such stories would be far more suitable for the front page.

Since the Oslo peace accords in the 1990s, successive Israeli governments have criticised the Palestinian Authority for textbooks which they said negated Israel's right to exist and incited anti-Israeli hatred among Palestinian children.

Like that?


Of course like you said in conflicts - BBC only cares about the Palestinians POV - here is such an article

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5083434.stm

Oh wait...it comes from an Israel POV- maybe it is acceptable now because it favors Israel!

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I was actually going to post this as I had noticed it and found it interesting.

So BOTH sides won't acknowledge the other - Palestinians will not show Israel on a Map - and Israel shows ALL the land belonging to itself.

If both sides children are not taught that the other exists...how can we EVER assume to have peace?

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: ayabe
BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

Before answering your question, let me ask this: why would such an obviously local matter be on the front page of the BBC?

Oh - consider the fact that perhaps he is looking at BBC International - so international issues take more importance than "local" UK issues. On the top left you can switch between the "versions".

Furthermore you state as if the story is displayed prominently - when in reality its a simply line on the top right - Hell, at the time I write this "Planet at Stake" is given an image to attract more attention- as well as the caption "Dutch teenagers take climate change to the top..."; will we label BBC as "Tree Hippies who can't stop smoking joints in Amsterdam" now?

And while to you it is an local issue - the Israeli Palestinian conflict is the SINGLE most important issue in the Middle East and has been the cause of much of the turmoil in the region the past fifty years.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: dna
Just another case of BBC-bias....

This is hardly something that belongs on the BBC front page, and I'm certain wouldn't interest many people.

BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

BBC is the most bias non arab news organization in the world when it comes to Israel!!

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: dna
Just another case of BBC-bias....

This is hardly something that belongs on the BBC front page, and I'm certain wouldn't interest many people.

BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

BBC is the most bias non arab news organization in the world when it comes to Israel!!

I guess I need more proof than your opinion, call me a skeptic. For the most part Israel gets a pass on just about everything in the American press, so if what you say is true, then Israel still comes out ahead.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: magomago

Since the Oslo peace accords in the 1990s, successive Israeli governments have criticised the Palestinian Authority for textbooks which they said negated Israel's right to exist and incited anti-Israeli hatred among Palestinian children.

Like that?

Ah, yes -- it was so nice of them to mention it at the very end of the article (we all know how many people actually read all the way), and they also took care to present it as an opinion of the Israeli goverment.

I suppose a single paragraph at the end of an article is all that is needed to address a negligible matter of brainwashing and incitement that leads to terrorist attacks.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: magomago
Oh - consider the fact that perhaps he is looking at BBC International - so international issues take more importance than "local" UK issues. On the top left you can switch between the "versions".

Huh? Are you telling me to switch to the UK version in order not to see it?

Furthermore you state as if the story is displayed prominently

And where did I say that?
I only said that it doesn't belong on the front page.

And while to you it is an local issue - the Israeli Palestinian conflict is the SINGLE most important issue in the Middle East and has been the cause of much of the turmoil in the region the past fifty years.

Are you patronizing me? You're not being very subtle about.

Seriously now, are you really going to take that position and argue that this BBC article is a must read for people worldwide?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dna
Just another case of BBC-bias....

This is hardly something that belongs on the BBC front page, and I'm certain wouldn't interest many people.

What are you, nuts? There has been a lot of coverage of the various lies Muslim governments in the Middle East tell their people, I think it is VERY interesting that there are groups in Israel that see value in lying as well. Although it's not at the same level, and there are Israelis fighting for the truth. In fact, I'd say the article is very pro-Israeli, as the focus is on the people trying to get the truth into the textbooks, not so much on the people who support the lies. The final paragraph seals the deal, as it makes it clear that the Palestinians do NOT share Israel's divided opinions on whether or not telling the truth in textbooks is a good idea.

But what do I know, I'm not some ranting lunatic who sees anti-Israeli bias in his Alphabits.

 

[Narmer]

Why do you like to divert the argument, DNA? If I showed you an Israel website, would you consider them anti-Israeli?

How about we just discuss the merit of the topic at hand. If you want to accuse other countries of doing the same or worse, then you stand accused of lowering yourself to their level just by comparison. Better yet, why don't you start a new thread on those topics.

Care to discuss the topic at hand or do you want to talk about anything but "Israeli settlers outraged at textbooks showing pre-1967 borders."

 

[Screech]

This story doesn't show ....well.....anything. This thread is titled "Israeli settlers outraged at textbooks showing pre-1967 borders," yet the story on the website only mentions ONE politician--right-wing at that--who actually seems to oppose the change. Settlers are mentioned as being against giving back land (gee, ya think), and the story states that "Ms Tamir's position is seen as a direct challenge to the Jewish settlement movement, " which, once again, says nothing at all. is seen as....by the reporter? By BBC? Instead of actually supporting this statement with, perhaps, quotes from settlers, etc, they divert the story to summary of the history of the settlements instead of actually proving anything.

Cliffs: the story is essentially inconsequential, and the title of this thread is hilarious. If you want to see bias, look at the thread title before looking at the link.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: screech
This story doesn't show ....well.....anything. This thread is titled "Israeli settlers outraged at textbooks showing pre-1967 borders," yet the story on the website only mentions ONE politician--right-wing at that--who actually seems to oppose the change. Settlers are mentioned as being against giving back land (gee, ya think), and the story states that "Ms Tamir's position is seen as a direct challenge to the Jewish settlement movement, " which, once again, says nothing at all. is seen as....by the reporter? By BBC? Instead of actually supporting this statement with, perhaps, quotes from settlers, etc, they divert the story to summary of the history of the settlements instead of actually proving anything.

Cliffs: the story is essentially inconsequential, and the title of this thread is hilarious. If you want to see bias, look at the thread title before looking at the link.

Look at my link. It's more involved.

 

[Screech]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: screech
This story doesn't show ....well.....anything. This thread is titled "Israeli settlers outraged at textbooks showing pre-1967 borders," yet the story on the website only mentions ONE politician--right-wing at that--who actually seems to oppose the change. Settlers are mentioned as being against giving back land (gee, ya think), and the story states that "Ms Tamir's position is seen as a direct challenge to the Jewish settlement movement, " which, once again, says nothing at all. is seen as....by the reporter? By BBC? Instead of actually supporting this statement with, perhaps, quotes from settlers, etc, they divert the story to summary of the history of the settlements instead of actually proving anything.

Cliffs: the story is essentially inconsequential, and the title of this thread is hilarious. If you want to see bias, look at the thread title before looking at the link.

Look at my link. It's more involved.

Thank you--that link is far better. I still don't see the outraged settlers, although it is far more clear that Likud is clearly against the change. IMHO Likud is full of sh1t on this issue.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
What are you, nuts? There has been a lot of coverage of the various lies Muslim governments in the Middle East tell their people, I think it is VERY interesting that there are groups in Israel that see value in lying as well.

Yes, the BBC has had so much coverage of the propagande I've mentioned in one of my previous posts.

Goodness gracious! The lies!
Yeah, they really got everybody fooled over there about what the real situation is.

Originally posted by: Narmer
How about we just discuss the merit of the topic at hand.

That's the point: this topic has no merit, and is no more than local news.

I've stated my opinion about this, and apparently a bunch of you didn't like, yet just about none of you managed to discuss the topic. The only person who was on subject was Rainsford with his weak argument about "lies", and that will hardly lead to a great discussion.

Yep, this is truely a world shaping event.....

 

[theeedude]

These are same Israelis who are outraged at Palestinian textbooks showing just one Palestine. Nice to see that at least some Israelis are coming to grip that there is only one way out of this mess, and that is to split into two states.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Rainsford
What are you, nuts? There has been a lot of coverage of the various lies Muslim governments in the Middle East tell their people, I think it is VERY interesting that there are groups in Israel that see value in lying as well.

Yes, the BBC has had so much coverage of the propagande I've mentioned in one of my previous posts.

Goodness gracious! The lies!
Yeah, they really got everybody fooled over there about what the real situation is.
...

Uh, they mentioned that IN THIS ARTICLE...even though it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. In fact, that's bias the other way...the topic being discussed had nothing to do with what Palestinians were doing or not doing, it was simply injected to give unnecessary "balance" to the piece. A search for "Palestinian propaganda" on BBC reveals MANY articles mentioning Palestinian BS in some way or another.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: senseamp
These are same Israelis who are outraged at Palestinian textbooks showing just one Palestine. Nice to see that at least some Israelis are coming to grip that there is only one way out of this mess, and that is to split into two states.

Yep, because that is what has been keeping peace from happening in the region: a line in a textbook map; without that, everybody were ignorant regarding the situation.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: senseamp
These are same Israelis who are outraged at Palestinian textbooks showing just one Palestine. Nice to see that at least some Israelis are coming to grip that there is only one way out of this mess, and that is to split into two states.

Yep, because that is what has been keeping peace from happening in the region: a line in a textbook map; without that, everybody were ignorant regarding the situation.

It's not any one thing, and while I doubt revising a textbook will make peace break out next week, I also know that ignorance is almost never helpful.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
It's not any one thing, and while I doubt revising a textbook will make peace break out next week, I also know that ignorance is almost never helpful.

You, and apparently man others, think that the situation is comparable to asking someone in the US to find a country on the map.

There is no widespread ignorance or deception.

In fact, perhaps it is better not to include the Green Line in books for kids in the lower grades, so it won't complicate the teachers' life.

 

[theeedude]

Just saying it's hypocritical for Israelis to complain that Palestinian textbooks don't have Israel on the map while their own textbooks don't have the Palestinian Territories on the map.
And also, if Palestinian territories are part of Israel, doesn't that make Palestinians Israeli citizens, and doesn't that make Israel an apartheid state?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Just saying it's hypocritical for Israelis to complain that Palestinian textbooks don't have Israel on the map while their own textbooks don't have the Palestinian Territories on the map.

People could care less about what this or that map shows. It is the brainwashing and incitement, and subsequent terror attacks that are the problem. Around 50% of the Palestinians are 15 years old or younger, and that gives you big pool out of which to recruit kamikaze warriors, especially if you have them brainwashed from a young age.

And also, if Palestinian territories are part of Israel, doesn't that make Palestinians Israeli citizens, and doesn't that make Israel an apartheid state?

They were never annexed, so they are essentially spoils of war.

EDIT: forget I mentioned SA... I don't even want to get into that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: dna
Just another case of BBC-bias....

This is hardly something that belongs on the BBC front page, and I'm certain wouldn't interest many people.

BBC-bias in what way? You aren't falling into the trap of labeling something or someone anti-semitic if they don't unabashedly support Israel like that guy who slammed Jimmy Carter the other day are you?

BBC is the most bias non arab news organization in the world when it comes to Israel!!

I guess I need more proof than your opinion, call me a skeptic. For the most part Israel gets a pass on just about everything in the American press, so if what you say is true, then Israel still comes out ahead.

you can research that one your self just google it...yjr BBC are very anti Israeli.....