Israeli PM's teen son maligns Muslims on Facebook

[EagleKeeper]

Many of those Palestinians wanted to exterminate the Jews. They just chose the wrong sides in the intial and following wars. And never learned their lessons for the next 61 years.

They could have had what they are asking for way back then; but they were greedy. Then when offered multiple comprimises in exchange for peace; they chose conflict.

They deserve as a group; what they have.
And itis not the sins of the fathers; but also their sins that keep them in their predictament.

Also, realize it was the Arabs, not the Jews that built your camps and locked up the Palestinians in them.

 

[Lemon law]

That's like saying there's not much difference between the sun and the moon.

All the sun has got is size and an exothermic reaction.

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And all Hal9000 is comparing is the moral repugnance of Hitler and Zonist Jewish thugs, both quite exothermic, so why should we blame the moon, as the moon is waking up to the fact the current problem is mainly the Zionists.

 

[HAL9000]

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And all Hal9000 is comparing is the moral repugnance of Hitler and Zonist Jewish thugs, both quite exothermic, so why should we blame the moon, as the moon is waking up to the fact the current problem is mainly the Zionists.

 

[Lemon law]

Many of those Palestinians wanted to exterminate the Jews. They just chose the wrong sides in the intial and following wars. And never learned their lessons for the next 61 years.

They could have had what they are asking for way back then; but they were greedy. Then when offered multiple comprimises in exchange for peace; they chose conflict.

They deserve as a group; what they have.
And itis not the sins of the fathers; but also their sins that keep them in their predictament.

Also, realize it was the Arabs, not the Jews that built your camps and locked up the Palestinians in them.

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What a bunch of Israeli propaganda from being to end, as it was the Palestinian people who mainly inhabited the pre 1948 British Mandate of Palestine.

Lets see if I can quite get my arms around the EK contentions, it was the Palestinians who wanted to exterminate the Jews in 1948? What a crock and a lie, if the Pals wanted to exterminate all Jews they forgot to have the armed might to do so!

Because of the three contesting groups in 1948, Arab armies had armed might, Israelis Zionists and terrorists had armed themselves quite well, and the Palestinians were quite defenseless with no real arms of their own.

Maybe point granted the Arabs were rat finks when they attacked Israel after the declaration of Israeli Statehood in 1948, and refused Palestinians entry when Israelis terrorized hapless Palestinians, but still its Israel who imprisons Palestinians for no crime what so ever. And will never relent because Palestinians bear hereditary guilt.

And then to add injury to insult, Israeli comes up with propaganda bullshit accusing the Palestinians of wanting it all while Israel in fact has it all.

If there was even modicum of justice, the Pals have a legitimate claim to over 2/3'rd of 1948 Israel with the right to return.

But now when the larger world tries to make the Pals even partially whole by giving them Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem, Israel wants 100% of that too with the charming argument we need it we need it, ignoring the fact that it leaves the Palestinians zero.

Jesus Christ EK you are such a self deluded liar, just the undeniable historical facts prove its Israeli Zionists are the pigs who want it all. EK, you have a lot of Damn gall to accuse the Palestinians of the undeniable sins of only Israeli Zionists.

In the fullness of time Shimon Peres may be right, If Bozo Netanyuhu and his crazed settler parties pigs continue to demand it all, Israel may end up with nothing in the end.

 

[Oric]

Many of those Palestinians wanted to exterminate the Jews. They just chose the wrong sides in the intial and following wars.

They were fighting for their land. Big difference in motivation. Would you leave your land if foreign settlers started taking over ?

 

[JEDIYoda]

They were fighting for their land. Big difference in motivation. Would you leave your land if foreign settlers started taking over ?

Actually they were not fighting for land that was theirs......sorry...they had no country and they were abandoned by all the other Arabs.

 

[Oric]

What do you mean they had no country ? They were living in Palestine ! They had their homes, fields, graves, temples in those areas. You make it sound as if they were dropped there by other Arab nations on the back of the trucks

 

[EagleKeeper]

What do you mean they had no country ? They were living in Palestine ! They had their homes, fields, graves, temples in those areas. You make it sound as if they were dropped there by other Arab nations on the back of the trucks

A country was declared.

They had the choice of living in that country.
No one is saying that the Zionists were saints; both sides were trying for controlprior to the actual seperation.
The difference is that the Jews were vastly outnumbered and outgunned by those that attacked them and were fighting extinction.
Many sided with the Arab attackers based on the promise that the Jews would be driven out and the locals would bet it all.

Those that sided with the Arabs, lost the bet.

Not all locals sided with the Arabs; those that did not are not full citizens of Israel. That destroys the argument that Israel was trying to sweep the area clean of the Arabs/Palestinians. It reenforces that the majority of those that left did so in anticipation of returning. And it is also evident in the Palestinian demand for the right of return of those in Gaza, the West Bank and others that were scattered in their lonely travels amoung the Arab nations.

Since then those that left have continued to side with the Arabs and in the process, continue to lose control of more of their land.

And they continue to waste lives by attacking Israel.

They were kicked out of Jordan by Jordan because they were troublemakes.
They were kicked out of Lebanon because they would not leave Israel alone.
They were kicked out of Tunisia because they would not leave Israel alone.


For over 40 years; Egypt kept them completely locked away from the rest of the Arab world.

They are the red-headed step child that no one wants and they demand handouts and through temper tantrums.

 

[EagleKeeper]

This is an arguemnt that has no winners.

Those that support the Palestinians feel that history should have no play in the decision; all past transgressions by the Palestinains should be forgotten but anythign that Israel has down must be held against them.

Those that support Israel feel that the Palestinians have not shown themselves to be honest and that their past history is a reflection on how they presently operate.

Each side can find arguments to support their side.

Right now, Israel has the ear of TPTB and the Palestinians are able to only play the sympathy card. IF they had such a strong case; the Arab countries would be banging the world with an oil stick to force the issue. But the Arab world has never done so. They do not case about a state for the Palestinains and never have.

But as LL likes to point out; only in time will the results be known.

 

[JEDIYoda]

....EagleKeeper said it better than I ever could...

 

[kylebisme]

Those that support the Palestinians feel that history should have no play in the decision

I support both Israelis and Palestinians who demand peaceful resolution on the basis of international law, and insist that history is taken into account. However, I'm at a loss as to where those of you who support Israel's refusal to accept any such solution come up with claims like this:

A country was declared.

They had the choice of living in that country.

How and when exactly are you suggesting Israel gave the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees documented in this Wiki entry any choice of continuing to live on their land which became part of Israel?

 

[Lemon law]

A quibble with EK in his statement that Arabs have and never will play the oil card against Israel. Its simply not true.

http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2002/arab.html

In 1974 the Arabs gave up their embargo because the economic damage they inflicted had reduced long term demand for oil, but they resume an oik embargo at any time. Events of the Arab spring may change much prior mid-east thinking, so who knows what will happen if diplomacy does not lead to a Palestinian State.

 

[JEDIYoda]

How and when exactly are you suggesting Israel gave the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees documented in this Wiki entry any choice of continuing to live on their land which became part of Israel?

You continue to use wikipedia as your "infallable" source yet wikipedia`s own disclaimer says -- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit....hmmm

 

[kylebisme]

I cite Wikipedia where it recounts well documented facts and provides multiple references to substantiate them, while you wave your hands in denial.

 

[JEDIYoda]

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I cite Wikipedia where it recounts well documented facts and provides multiple references to substantiate them, while you wave your hands in denial.

The same well documented facts that you used to attempt to support your WTC thread????

Possibly the same well documented facts that agree with your demented bloviations concerning the Palestinians....

 

[Lemon law]

The same well documented facts that you used to attempt to support your WTC thread????

Possibly the same well documented facts that agree with your demented bloviations concerning the Palestinians....

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I have to question the JEDIY reasoning, as he is seemingly under the delusion is that if can find one flaw in his opponents position, said poster and all his sources must be totally wrong
about everything.

The book may not be closed on the WTC, and its certainly not closed on the Israeli Palestinian issues which in 2011 is really coming to a head and dominating world attention.

But to get this thread back on topic, every succeeding Israeli generation becomes more and more invested in the idea that they can retain disputed territory forever. As they only talk to themselves, much like the slave holding states in the US circa 1860.

Making any diplomatic solution far more difficult. Sure Israel can play the violence card, but it can only result in an Israeli economic embargo similar to what happened to South Africa. And as Bozo Netanyuhu goes off into total la la land, retaining US support gets ever more problematic.

At the end of the day, IMHO, Israel is better off in settling on 1967 lines, but if they refuse that and keep taking a hard line, the world in the end may look at 1947 lines and Israel may end up with less than 50% of the 1948 borders instead.

 

[Nebor]

At the end of the day, IMHO, Israel is better off in settling on 1967 lines, but if they refuse that and keep taking a hard line, the world in the end may look at 1947 lines and Israel may end up with less than 50% of the 1948 borders instead.

You are really deluded. I'm not Jewish, but I would volunteer to fight for Israel before I saw that happen.

 

[badb0y]

You are really deluded. I'm not Jewish, but I would volunteer to fight for Israel before I saw that happen.

Why the fuck do you care?

Why the fuck does anyone here care?

Fuck Israel, Fuck Palestine, We have our own problems to deal with.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Why the fuck do you care?

Why the fuck does anyone here care?

Fuck Israel, Fuck Palestine, We have our own problems to deal with.

That is really a narrow minded approach to life.

 

[EagleKeeper]

They offered to settle for close to the '67 lines and the Palestinians said no!

So why should now be any different; the Palestinians still want it all as long as they include Hamas in the picture.

 

[Nebor]

Why the fuck do you care?

The US and Israel are kindred spirits. Settlers looking for a place to be free from tyranny, beset on all sides by those tyrants and forced to forge their legacy under fire.

 

[Oric]

The US and Israel are not kindred spirits. It is all down to "religious favoritism" at the moment

 

[JEDIYoda]

The US and Israel are not kindred spirits. It is all down to "religious favoritism" at the moment

You know little about the relationship between the US and Israel.

You are correct they are not kindred spirits.....but they are tied together in so many ways.

 

[IGBT]

remind us all again. Who are the belt bombers??

 

[Lemon law]

You know little about the relationship between the US and Israel.

You are correct they are not kindred spirits.....but they are tied together in so many ways.

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The point is and remains, Nazi Germany and the USA were also tied together in many ways
as WW2 started in Europe. All those pro German advocates like Prescott Bush, Charles Lindburg and the thriving German American Bund, America could and did straddle the fence. Until the time of choosing came after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.

The same thing can happen now with AIPAC in America, if US Israeli support vanishes as fast a the German American bund did. As JediY just admitted, there is NOW no rational reason for the US to still support Israel. Especially as Bozo Netanyuhu defies and humiliates Obama as he takes Israeli into some lala land of pure delusion and denial.

But why should we blame a Yair Netanyuhu for being as delusional as his fellow generation, the real problem is Netanyuhu senior because he now drives Israeli politics. Israel as a whole is now at a crossroads, support Netanyuhu or give him the ole heave ho? An Israeli only question because its only Israel that must live or die with the consequences.

The pre pearl Harbor question of both Imperial Japan and Nazi German was, had the Japanese and German given Tojo and Hitler the old heave ho earlier, they may have avoided the massive defeat both Germany and Japan ended up with.

Togo, Hitler, and Netanyuhu are megalomaniacs cut from the same cloth.