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Does anyone find it ironic that the occupation of an insignificant piece of land by a small number of Jews is continually the focus of the world's attention?

After all, tiny Israel only occupies about one-sixth of one percent of the land in the Arab world, and it's population is only about six million people.
 

rickn

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In the US, a lot of the media and the networks themselves have Jewish men and women who are executives and people in positions of power. That may have some influence over why there is such media attention. TBH, I could care less about it. Let em just knock each other into the mediterranean. The Christian right-wingers also play a part, the preservation of Israel is of utmost importance to them, thus they have lots of influence -- and lots of $$$.
 

Riprorin

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It's a global preoccupation - it's not just the US. And I think rightly so because of the implications a war in that region could create.
 

JackStorm

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It's called an obsession. People around the world seem to have an unhealthy obsession about the middle-east in general. And the media isn't really helping matters much. They've turned it into flavor of the moment.
 

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The Jews have had a greater impact on Western culture and religion than, for example, the more numerous Sikhs, whose homeland of Punjab was split between Muslim Pakistan and Hindu India in 1947, forcing millions of them to flee their homes. Fighting continues there to this day, but it's almost never mentioned in the American news.
 

GrGr

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Christian Zionists to the rescue:

George Bush has legitimised terrorism
Robert Fisk

So President George Bush tears up the Israeli-Palestinian peace plan and that's okay. Israeli settlements for Jews and Jews only on the West Bank. That's okay. Taking land from Palestinians who have owned that land for generations, that's okay. UN Security Council Resolution 242 says that land cannot be acquired by war. Forget it. That's okay. Does President George Bush actually work for al-Qa'ida? What does this mean? That George Bush cares more about his re-election than he does about the Middle East? Or that George Bush is more frightened of the Israeli lobby than he is of his own electorate. Fear not, it is the latter.
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Vast areas of the Palestinian West Bank will now become Israel, courtesy of President Bush. Land which belongs to people other than Israelis must now be stolen by Israelis because it is "unrealistic" to accept otherwise. Is Mr Bush a thief? Is he a criminal? Can he be charged with abetting a criminal act? Can Iraq now claim to Kuwait that it is "unrealistic" that the Ottoman borders can be changed? Palestinian land once included all of what is now Israel. It is not, apparently, "realistic" to change this, even to two per cent?
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Because this is what George Bush's lunacy and weakness can lead to. We all have lands that "God" gave us. Didn't Queen Mary die with "Calais" engraved on her heart? Doesn't Spain have a legitimate right to the Netherlands? Or Sweden the right to Norway and Denmark? Every colonial power, including Israel can put forward these preposterous demands. What Bush has actually done is give way to the crazed world of Christian Zionism. The fundamentalist Christians who support Israel's theft of the West Bank on the grounds that the state of Israel must exist there according to God's law until the second coming, believe that Jesus will return to earth and the Israelis - for this is the Bush "Christian Sundie" belief - will then have to convert to Christianity or die in the battle of Amargeddon.

I kid thee not. This is the Christian fundamentalist belief, which even the Israeli embassy in Washington go along with - without comment, of course - in their weekly Christian Zionist prayer meetings. Every claim by Osama bin Laden, every statement that the United States represents Zionism and supports the theft of Arab lands will now have been proved true to millions of Arabs, even those who had no time for Bin Laden. What better recruiting sergeant could Bin Laden have than George Bush. Doesn't he realise what this means for young American soldiers in Iraq or are Israelis more important than American lives in Mesopotamia? Everything the US government has done to preserve its name as a "middle-man" in the Middle East has now been thrown away by this gutless, cowardly US President, George W Bush. That it will place his soldiers at greater risk doesn't worry him - anyway, he doesn't do funerals. That it goes against natural justice doesn't worry him. That his statements are against international law is of no consequence.

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Wag

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In the US, a lot of the media and the networks themselves have Jewish men and women who are executives and people in positions of power. That may have some influence over why there is such media attention.
Do you have any Jewish friends? This is not meant to be a slam, but I think you are totally overstating this. I know lots of Jews, and believe me when I say there is alot more attributed to Jewish influence than it should. Most American Jews are just trying to live their day-to-day lives, just like everyone else. You might want to talk to your Jewish friends and ask them what they think of that.

As for Christian Zionists, they're just freaky. They care little for the Jews (in fact, they're one of the damned), but the state of Israel must exist before the Second Comming occurs. They're even more Pro-Israel than most American Jews. Spooky.
 

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The US gets blamed for everything Israel does....that is the only reason I care about it.
 

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Ok, rip, steal a few acres in Manhattan then if it isn't significant.

-Robert
 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Does anyone find it ironic that the occupation of an insignificant piece of land by a small number of Jews is continually the focus of the world's attention?

After all, tiny Israel only occupies about one-sixth of one percent of the land in the Arab world, and it's population is only about six million people.


I know I will be flamed, called a bigot, called to stupid to live but.........

The answer to your question lies in the Bible the entire book is relevant to Israel but look specifically at Isaiah, Daniel, and Revelations as to why it is so important right now.

I can only point you to the truth I can not make anyone believe who can not see
 

etech

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Maybe Israel should just pay other Arab countries to resettle the Palestinians there.

The other Arab countries wouldn't take them.


 

BaliBabyDoc

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Maybe Israel should just pay other Arab countries to resettle the Palestinians there.
Israel doesn't have any money. They have no natural resources and little intellectual capital.

The only thing Israel has of value is the land it illegally occupies. The Gaza has nothing but propaganda value. It's always been a ridiculous proposition to continue the occupation of the Strip. If anything, it's nothing more than a really expensive pawn. Now the West Bank has significant strategic (geopolitical/water) benefit. The window dressing the Sharon, Bush, and Blair are putting on Sharon's plan is pure poo. Gaza was a liability and now Israel will focus on retaining (and expanding) settlements in the West Bank.

Personally, I think it's quite significant that Israelis continue their oppressive occupation of Palestinians. Truth be told Palestinians have never been well-treated by Jordan, Syria, or Egypt but the Israeli occupation is scarcely more respectable.

But for a one sentence answer to your thread . . .

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: chess9
Ok, rip, steal a few acres in Manhattan then if it isn't significant.

-Robert

Robert, here's how Mark Twain describes The Land in "Thr Innocents Abroad". Does it sound like Manhattan to you?

Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery, I think Palestine must be
the prince. The hills are barren, they are dull of color, they are
unpicturesque in shape. The valleys are unsightly deserts fringed with a
feeble vegetation that has an expression about it of being sorrowful and
despondent. The Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee sleep in the midst of a
vast stretch of hill and plain wherein the eye rests upon no pleasant
tint, no striking object, no soft picture dreaming in a purple haze or
mottled with the shadows of the clouds. Every outline is harsh, every
feature is distinct, there is no perspective--distance works no
enchantment here. It is a hopeless, dreary, heart-broken land.

Small shreds and patches of it must be very beautiful in the full flush
of spring, however, and all the more beautiful by contrast with the far-
reaching desolation that surrounds them on every side. I would like much
to see the fringes of the Jordan in spring-time, and Shechem, Esdraelon,
Ajalon and the borders of Galilee--but even then these spots would seem
mere toy gardens set at wide intervals in the waste of a limitless
desolation.

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a
curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies. Where
Sodom and Gomorrah reared their domes and towers, that solemn sea now
floods the plain, in whose bitter waters no living thing exists--over
whose waveless surface the blistering air hangs motionless and dead--
about whose borders nothing grows but weeds, and scattering tufts of
cane, and that treacherous fruit that promises refreshment to parching
lips, but turns to ashes at the touch. Nazareth is forlorn; about that
ford of Jordan where the hosts of Israel entered the Promised Land with
songs of rejoicing, one finds only a squalid camp of fantastic Bedouins
of the desert; Jericho the accursed, lies a moldering ruin, to-day, even
as Joshua's miracle left it more than three thousand years ago; Bethlehem
and Bethany, in their poverty and their humiliation, have nothing about
them now to remind one that they once knew the high honor of the
Saviour's presence; the hallowed spot where the shepherds watched their
flocks by night, and where the angels sang Peace on earth, good will to
men, is untenanted by any living creature, and unblessed by any feature
that is pleasant to the eye. Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest
name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a
pauper village; the riches of Solomon are no longer there to compel the
admiration of visiting Oriental queens; the wonderful temple which was
the pride and the glory of Israel, is gone, and the Ottoman crescent is
lifted above the spot where, on that most memorable day in the annals of
the world, they reared the Holy Cross. The noted Sea of Galilee, where
Roman fleets once rode at anchor and the disciples of the Saviour sailed
in their ships, was long ago deserted by the devotees of war and
commerce, and its borders are a silent wilderness; Capernaum is a
shapeless ruin; Magdala is the home of beggared Arabs; Bethsaida and
Chorazin have vanished from the earth, and the "desert places" round
about them where thousands of men once listened to the Saviour's voice
and ate the miraculous bread, sleep in the hush of a solitude that is
inhabited only by birds of prey and skulking foxes.

Palestine is desolate and unlovely. And why should it be otherwise? Can
the curse of the Deity beautify a land?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Does anyone find it ironic that the occupation of an insignificant piece of land by a small number of Jews is continually the focus of the world's attention?

After all, tiny Israel only occupies about one-sixth of one percent of the land in the Arab world, and it's population is only about six million people.

What if some foreign government occupied your home and the lot it sits on. (assume you own your own house if you don't) How would you feel about that? Would it matter that your house only sat on 1/8 acre?
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Does anyone find it ironic that the occupation of an insignificant piece of land by a small number of Jews is continually the focus of the world's attention?

After all, tiny Israel only occupies about one-sixth of one percent of the land in the Arab world, and it's population is only about six million people.

What if some foreign government occupied your home and the lot it sits on. (assume you own your own house if you don't) How would you feel about that? Would it matter that your house only sat on 1/8 acre?

I wouldn't like it, but what does that have to do with Israel?

Here's what PLO Chairman Yassir Arafat in his speech before the UN in 1974 declared:

"The Jewish invasion began in 1881 . . . Palestine was then a verdant area, inhabited mainly by an Arab people in the course of building its life and dynamically enriching its indigenous culture."

I've already pointed out what martk Twain had to say about the Land. Here's what others had to say:

In 1738 Thomas Shaw observed a land of "barrenness . . . from want of inhabitants."

In 1785 Constantine Francois de Volney recorded the population of the three main cities. Jerusalem had a population of 12,000 to 14,000. Bethlehem had about 600 able-bodied men. Hebron had 800 to 900 men.

In 1835 Alphonse de Lamartine wrote, "Outside the city of Jerusalem, we saw no living object, heard no living sound?a complete eternal silence reigns in the town, in the highways, in the country?. The tomb of a whole people."

Arabs didn't start moving into the Land in large numbers until after it was settled and developed by the Jews.

Don't believe Arafat's worldwide propaganda campaign to convince the world community that the Holy Land has for centuries sustained a thriving Palestinian culture. It's not true.

 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Another reason it's important to Arabs is because of Jerusalem, the Al-Aqsa mosque is the third most sacred place in Islam, the fact that it belongs to Israel does not sit well with them. But as Romans et al will tell you, its ONLY because Arabs hate Jews.
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Riprorin

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Another reason it's important to Arabs is because of Jerusalem, the Al-Aqsa mosque is the third most sacred place in Islam, the fact that it belongs to Israel does not sit well with them. But as Romans et al will tell you, its ONLY because Arabs hate Jews.
rolleye.gif

Arabs cannot tolerate the idea of a Jewish political entity in their geographical sphere because of the Muslim presumption to dominion over other groups.

To maintain the hatred of the Palestinian refugees against Israel, Arab propaganists invented a pedigree for them that was tied to the land
 

Strk

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Ok, for future reference to some of these posts: not all Arabs are Muslims and not all Muslims are Arabs. A lot of Arabs just happen to be Muslims.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Does anyone find it ironic that the occupation of an insignificant piece of land by a small number of Jews is continually the focus of the world's attention?

After all, tiny Israel only occupies about one-sixth of one percent of the land in the Arab world, and it's population is only about six million people.

A very simplified analogy:

What if the U.S. took over, say, the Canadian city of Edmonton (it's smaller, population-wise, than the Gaza Strip). Let's say we then stayed there for decades.

Wouldn't that be a source of fighting and escalating warfare over time?
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Another reason it's important to Arabs is because of Jerusalem, the Al-Aqsa mosque is the third most sacred place in Islam, the fact that it belongs to Israel does not sit well with them. But as Romans et al will tell you, its ONLY because Arabs hate Jews.
rolleye.gif

Arabs cannot tolerate the idea of a Jewish political entity in their geographical sphere because of the Muslim presumption to dominion over other groups.

To maintain the hatred of the Palestinian refugees against Israel, Arab propaganists invented a pedigree for them that was tied to the land

Yup, them pesky Muslims with their constant dreams of world domination... Can't be that Israel treats the Palestinians worse than animals, or the Jerusalem issue you blatantly ignored. Or the fact that to this day Isreal keeps stealing Palestinian land. No, has to be them Muslims.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Does anyone find it ironic that the occupation of an insignificant piece of land by a small number of Jews is continually the focus of the world's attention?

After all, tiny Israel only occupies about one-sixth of one percent of the land in the Arab world, and it's population is only about six million people.

A very simplified analogy:

What if the U.S. took over, say, the Canadian city of Edmonton (it's smaller, population-wise, than the Gaza Strip). Let's say we then stayed there for decades.

Wouldn't that be a source of fighting and escalating warfare over time?

You're right. That's way oversimplified and it's a ppor analogy.
 

MrYogi

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You need to get off that Atkins diet immediately. The posts you are creating are not only making no sense but also very stupid.
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