Israel was warned of attacks in London...Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning

[conjur]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties.

Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.

The Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions in London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.

All phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official.

The ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone calls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in London or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.

Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."

Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, Gilad said.

I really don't know what to make of this.

I'd heard reports of this earlier but I hadn't known it was official. I figured it was similar to the crap that was being spewed about how Israel pulled its people from the WTC before the attacks.

This angers me. Why were the Israelis warned but no warnings going out to the general public?

 

[borosp1]

They cant warn the public of every potential attack. That would cripple most major cities in the world. ..And The WTC story is totally false as many jews died in the WTC towers.

 

[conjur]

I understand that. But, at the least, maybe delay or temporarily shutdown the Underground. Something. Why give the Israelis the heads-up?


Curious, to say the least.

 

[shurato]

This is when a real terror alert system would be somewhat useful. At least one that doesn't cry foul every once in a while to boost polling numbers.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: borosp1
And The WTC story is totally false as many jews died in the WTC towers.

Totally false? The real story was not simply that all jews were saved. It was simply that some at Odigo had received warnings:

Truth or Fiction

I have never seen a complete debunking of this story nor have I thought there has been enough of an investigation into it.

Frankly, the fact that Israel has spied so much on the US and has gained a lot from 9/11 makes me suspicious.

If there is news that is enough to make Netanyahu change his plans, they could easily have warned the public. A lot of people have problems with the terror alert system but I think it's best to stay on teh side of caution. I'd rather have too many warnings than too little (the color system is stupid however).

 

[conjur]

And what was Giuliani doing over there?

Oh, btw, I've read that the bus bombing might have been accidental and not intended. Perhaps the bomber was headed to another location?

 

[morkinva]

There were probably other bigwigs warned as well. Those warned are not expendable, at least not at this time.

In London there are thousands of cctv cameras which are supposed to help stop things like this happening. But I guess they weren't working or being monitored? Yeh okay. Suddenly government sponsored terror looks even more possible.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shurato
This is when a real terror alert system would be somewhat useful. At least one that doesn't cry foul every once in a while to boost polling numbers.

They had the same thing in WWII and eventually it became a joke.
Humans in general are pretty apathetic to their surroundings. If they had a "real" alert system most people would eventually ignore it as well.

As for the warnings. I guess we will need to find out what warnings were given to Scottland yard. It could have been a threat to the Israelis themselves totally non-connected to the bombings.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: morkinva
There were probably other bigwigs warned as well. Those warned are not expendable, at least not at this time.

In London there are thousands of cctv cameras which are supposed to help stop things like this happening. But I guess they weren't working or being monitored? Yeh okay. Suddenly government sponsored terror looks even more possible.

Wow, you think Tony Blair ordered these attacks? Unbelievable...just unbelievable. You libbies are, frankly, insane.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: morkinva
There were probably other bigwigs warned as well. Those warned are not expendable, at least not at this time.

In London there are thousands of cctv cameras which are supposed to help stop things like this happening. But I guess they weren't working or being monitored? Yeh okay. Suddenly government sponsored terror looks even more possible.

That only took a few hours for the conspiracy theory to be brought up.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: conjur
I understand that. But, at the least, maybe delay or temporarily shutdown the Underground. Something. Why give the Israelis the heads-up?

If the system was shut down for every threat, it literally would never run. If it was shut down for every 'credible' threat, it might run one or two days a week.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: morkinva
There were probably other bigwigs warned as well. Those warned are not expendable, at least not at this time.

In London there are thousands of cctv cameras which are supposed to help stop things like this happening. But I guess they weren't working or being monitored? Yeh okay. Suddenly government sponsored terror looks even more possible.

With all of the IRA attacks, London is probably the most monitored city in the world. It is suprising that something like this could happen. Maybe the people watching the cameras were asleep at the wheel. Or, maybe the terrorists are just very adept at hiding their explosives.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: conjur
I understand that. But, at the least, maybe delay or temporarily shutdown the Underground. Something. Why give the Israelis the heads-up?

If the system was shut down for every threat, it literally would never run. If it was shut down for every 'credible' threat, it might run one or two days a week.

Links to the 5-6 credible threats per day?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Giuliani doing over there?

Perhaps you should look at a map of NYC and in particular the distance between City Hall and the WTC? Then it also might help you to realize that WTC7 housed an emergency bunker for coordinating responses to emergencies.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Giuliani doing over there?

Perhaps you should look at a map of NYC and in particular the distance between City Hall and the WTC? Then it also might help you to realize that WTC7 housed an emergency bunker for coordinating responses to emergencies.

And that has exactly what to do with Giuliani's presence in London today?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: conjur
I understand that. But, at the least, maybe delay or temporarily shutdown the Underground. Something. Why give the Israelis the heads-up?

If the system was shut down for every threat, it literally would never run. If it was shut down for every 'credible' threat, it might run one or two days a week.

Links to the 5-6 credible threats per day?

Haha! Are you conducting an exercise in circular logic?

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: conjur
And what was Giuliani doing over there?

Perhaps you should look at a map of NYC and in particular the distance between City Hall and the WTC? Then it also might help you to realize that WTC7 housed an emergency bunker for coordinating responses to emergencies.

And that has exactly what to do with Giuliani's presence in London today?

Oh. Forgive me. The thread was jumping around a bit. Regardless, your statement was vague.

 

[irwincur]

This is when a real terror alert system would be somewhat useful. At least one that doesn't cry foul every once in a while to boost polling numbers.

OK. Think of a system that everyone will get and that the other side of the political spectrum will not mock.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: conjur
I understand that. But, at the least, maybe delay or temporarily shutdown the Underground. Something. Why give the Israelis the heads-up?

If the system was shut down for every threat, it literally would never run. If it was shut down for every 'credible' threat, it might run one or two days a week.

Links to the 5-6 credible threats per day?

Haha! Are you conducting an exercise in circular logic?

Nope...just calling out BS.

 

[bsobel]

Links to the 5-6 credible threats per day?

It doesn't take 5-6 credible threats per day. Do you believe the threat assesments indicate the time and date of a future attack? Most of the credible incidents are against a target area for a window of time.

Here is an example of a threat assesment. Based on your logic, we should ban all heavy transportaion vehicles. You can't, you can just be more vigilent. However, you simply can not offer 100% protection against soft targets to a dedicate enemy.

Someone else on the thread suggest that Lodon was the most monitored city in the world, so this shouldn't be possible. Such thoughts are redicolous. The example given was the IRA. And while the British even had a good idea who many of the IRA operatives were, attacks continued to happen upto the truce.

Bill

 

[morkinva]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: morkinva
There were probably other bigwigs warned as well. Those warned are not expendable, at least not at this time.

In London there are thousands of cctv cameras which are supposed to help stop things like this happening. But I guess they weren't working or being monitored? Yeh okay. Suddenly government sponsored terror looks even more possible.

With all of the IRA attacks, London is probably the most monitored city in the world. It is suprising that something like this could happen. Maybe the people watching the cameras were asleep at the wheel. Or, maybe the terrorists are just very adept at hiding their explosives.

I'm not saying that it's definitely the case that it was govt sponsored, but it's worth considering that the perps are not what we'll be told in an official story. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING we hear from govt mouthpieces can be taken at face value. And Blair is to the British govt what Bush is to USA - they don't run squat.

This attack seems to be a timely distraction for rovegate, controversial SC appointees and cafta passing the house. It will also be used as a push for UK to get the national id passed, which was previously unpopular.

 

[conjur]

Or it could have been orchestrated to disrupt the G8 meeting or even an extravagant assassination plot against Netanyahu and whoever else was going to be at that meeting in London.

I can't even begin to imagine that this was orchestrated quickly enough to cause distraction from Rove/Plamegate

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: conjur
I understand that. But, at the least, maybe delay or temporarily shutdown the Underground. Something.

One additional note. These terrorist groups have not shown that aniversary events are that important to them. So, if you shut down the underground today due to this threat, the attack would just happen tomorrow (or next week). Such a shutdown is only viable if you know who the attackers are so you can go and eliminate them during the pause.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: conjur
Or it could have been orchestrated to disrupt the G8 meeting

Quite possible.

or even an extravagant assassination plot against Netanyahu and whoever else was going to be at that meeting in London.

Clearly not as the attacks weren't really in any area that could directly affect him. These underground bombs weren't big enough to touch infrastructure above them (e.g. the hotel above the station wouldn't be touched by such a small device).

For any given large city, there is likely to be some recognizable individual in the area, assuming that is the target kinda puts the cart before the horse (IMHO)

 

[conjur]

I know...just tossing out possibilities, however remote. The G8 conference disruption being the most likely.