Israel wants Obama to free their spy.

iGas

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Israel to press Obama to free spy
JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is contemplating a request by Jonathan Pollard to issue a public, formal call to US President Barack Obama to order his immediate release from prison.

American-born Pollard, a former civilian intelligence analyst for the US Navy, was convicted of spying for Israel and sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987.

In a meeting with Pollard's wife Esther Pollard at the Knesset parliament on Monday, Netanyahu said he would decide within 24 hours whether to accept her husband's request and publicly call on Obama to commute his life sentence to time served.
The prime minister is expected to announce his decision on Tuesday evening.

Esther Pollard was overcome with emotions as she handed Netanyahu a letter her husband dictated over the telephone an hour before the meeting. "I'm prepared to take the risks involved in the implications of such a move (a formal appeal). Thanks for the attention and for any action for my release," the letter read, local Hebrew-language daily Ma'ariv reported on Tuesday.

Emphasizing that her husband's health is fast deteriorating behind bars, Esther Pollard implored Netanyahu to change his tactics by ceasing to discuss her husband's fate with the US administration behind closed doors.

"If you do not make this call now, there may very well not be another opportunity (for Pollard's release from prison alive)," Esther was quoted by the newspaper as telling Netanyahu.

Lawmakers Uri Ariel of the National Unity party and Ronit Tirosh of the Kadima party, both of whom lead the "Free Pollard" lobby in the Knesset, had also participated in the meeting, as well as Lawrence Korb, former assistant secretary of defense in the Regan administration.

In response, Netanyahu told the delegation that he had already "worked hard" during his first premiership to release Pollard, who last month marked his 25th year in incarceration at a federal prison in North Carolina.

"I almost succeeded (in securing Pollard's release) and I intend to continue trying during my second tenure as prime minister," said Netanyahu, adding "I've raised the issue at least six times in meetings with Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the past two months."

Esther Pollard declined a request to comment on her meeting with Netanyahu, saying personal reasons prevent her from speaking with the press at the moment.

Korb, one of several high-profile US officials who over the past decade pleaded US administration to grant Pollard clemency, offered Netanyahu a draft of a formal request to Obama that he had prepared, which he said he believed could persuade the US president.

"We feel the need to speak publicly at this time, because according to US laws, Pollard's punishment does not fit the crime he committed. He has expressed remorse and had good behavior in prison," read part of the draft.

Netanyahu, who visited Pollard in prison in 2002, questioned Korb on the effectiveness of a public appeal, raising the possibility that it might do more harm than good.

"There's a growing awareness among US Congressmen regarding the great injustice done to Pollard. Forty of them signed a petition (in September) calling on Obama to pardon him," parliamentarian Uri Ariel told Xinhua in a telephone interview on Tuesday.

"The communication between those legislators and Obama on this issue is a bit hesitant since the Israeli government has never filed an official request for Pollard's release," he said.

Asked why Netanyahu is reluctant to issue a public call, Ariel suggested that the "real reason" may be traced back to the Wye Plantation summit in 1998, during which Netanyahu secured a promise from then-US President Bill Clinton that Pollard would be "with him on the flight back to Israel."

"When Clinton tried to act on his promise, the entire US intelligence community cried in protest and he had no choice but to back out," said Ariel.

"Netanyahu was traumatized by the experience, mostly because of the embarrassment it caused him in the Israeli public. I believe Netanyahu is simply pressured by the Pollard issue and doesn't want to deal with it anymore," he added.

Sources close to Netanyahu denied claims he was afraid of the political fallout in case a personal, formal request to Obama would fail, saying that the prime minister was unsure if such an approach was the ideal strategy, according to a report in The Jerusalem Post.
Yitzhak Rabin couldn't get Clinton to pardon Jonathan Pollard. How the hell Netanyahu going to get Obama free Pollard the spy?
 
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iGas

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In addition to the article.

I like to ask the American Jewish community regarding their pledge of allegiance.

Do you consider yourself first as an American that with the Jewish believe (religion), or as a Jewish religious that is an American.

That said, I was born in Vietnam and I didn't have to pledge an allegiance to Canada (Canada doesn't have that assumption of requirement to become a citizen), however I consider that I'm first a Canadian, and a distant second as a Vietnamese.

IMHO, it is important associate oneself with the country that one currently reside in because it affects you from politic to economic in the present. While the other country that one may have a past/social/culture with is just purely part of history.
 

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In addition to the article.

I like to ask the American Jewish community regarding their pledge of allegiance.

Do you consider yourself first as an American that with the Jewish believe (religion), or as a Jewish religious that is an American.

That said, I was born in Vietnam and I didn't have to pledge an allegiance to Canada (Canada doesn't have that assumption of requirement to become a citizen), however I consider that I'm first a Canadian, and a distant second as a Vietnamese.

IMHO, it is important associate oneself with the country that one currently reside in because it affects you from politic to economic in the present. While the other country that one may have a past/social/culture with is just purely part of history.

Surveys show that most Christians in the United States view themselves as Christians first, Americans second. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone else did the same.

I imagine many Canadians consider themselves peasant-subjects of the Queen before anything else.
 

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Considering how they've pissed on our faces on the settlements, I say no.

Don't worry though Benny, the check is in the mail.
 

AnyMal

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I am surprised that Israel wants anything to do with Pollard in the first place, let alone that Israel PM publicly commenting on the case. Let's not forget that Pollard was denied assylum and was literally kicked out of Israel embassy only to be arrested by waiting FBI agents. I wonder if his wife managed to secure some evidence that Mossad was behind Pollard affair and is using it as leverage to secure his release.
 

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Well - Given that the UK saw fit to release the Lockerbie bomber because of his deteriorating health(sic), I see no reason why President Obama wouldn't be fully entitled to make a similar decision. Should the President see fit to do so, OFC, 'Humanitarian Reasons' are a valid basis for a commutation if the guy is really that sick. It's not like Mr Pollard killed anyone, or anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard



Oh - By way of comparison to Assenge - Mr Pollard is in prison for passing (among other things) volumes of information detailing the USA's entire global electronic surveillance network. As opposed to lists of informants and diplomatic name calling.
 
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I guess the US doesn't take treason as lightly?
I don't have any problem with that, and I do believe that you have to abide by the rules - get caught and you're fucked, especially as Pollard was the one initiating these activities in the first place, it did not originate in Israel - I was just showing it for symmetry sake.

Well - Given that the UK saw fit to release the Lockerbie bomber because of his deteriorating health(sic)

Nothing to do with his health, that was just a cover up. It was exposed in the Wikileaks cables (IIRC) that the real reason behind it was pressure by Libya against British commercial interests such as BP - that's the assessment of the state department, at least.
 
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Scotteq

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Nothing to do with his health, that was just a cover up. It was exposed in the Wikileaks cables (IIRC) that the real reason behind it was pressure by Libya against British commercial interests such as BP - that's the assessment of the state department, at least.

Well - If he's not sick, then there's no real reason to release him.

Problem Solved! ^_^
 

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Given the way Netanyuhu treated Obama in the recent peace deal, Netanyuhu has to have a lot of gall and chutzpah to even ask for the release of Pollard.
 

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Well - Given that the UK saw fit to release the Lockerbie bomber because of his deteriorating health(sic), I see no reason why President Obama wouldn't be fully entitled to make a similar decision. Should the President see fit to do so, OFC, 'Humanitarian Reasons' are a valid basis for a commutation if the guy is really that sick. It's not like Mr Pollard killed anyone, or anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard



Oh - By way of comparison to Assenge - Mr Pollard is in prison for passing (among other things) volumes of information detailing the USA's entire global electronic surveillance network. As opposed to lists of informants and diplomatic name calling.
The Lockerbie bomber was released for business, not health, reasons. The British government pressured the Scotts into releasing him so that they could be on good terms with the Libyans wrt oil and gas.

As for Pollard, it's a wonder he isn't dead.
 

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Well - Given that the UK saw fit to release the Lockerbie bomber because of his deteriorating health(sic)...
That's hardly a given considering the fact that:
New information casting fresh doubts about Megrahi's conviction was examined at a procedural hearing at the Judicial Appeal Court (Court of Session building) in Edinburgh on 11 October 2007:

  1. His lawyers claimed that vital documents, which emanated from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and related to the Mebo timer that allegedly detonated the Lockerbie bomb, were withheld from the trial defence team.
  2. Tony Gauci, chief prosecution witness at the trial, was alleged to have been paid $2 million for testifying against Megrahi.
  3. Mebo's owner, Edwin Bollier, claimed that in 1991 the FBI offered him $4 million to testify that the timer fragment found near the scene of the crash was part of a Mebo MST-13 timer supplied to Libya.
  4. Former employee of Mebo, Ulrich Lumpert, swore an affidavit in July 2007 that he had stolen a prototype MST-13 timer in 1989, and had handed it over to "a person officially investigating the Lockerbie case".
Given that, and the fact that he's proven not to be nearly as terminally ill as the purported reason for his release implied; it seems likely UK officials were worried that Megrahi would be exonerated, which would in turn be an indictment against them for framing him, and hence released him on the grounds of "deteriorating health" to protect themselves.
 

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I detect failure to detect sarcasm...


Sic – generally inside square brackets, [sic], and occasionally parentheses, (sic) – when added just after a quote or reprinted text, indicates that the passage is just as it appears from its original source. The usual purpose is to inform readers that any errors or apparent errors in the copied material are not from transcription – i.e. that they are reproduced exactly from the original writer or printer. Bracketed sics have also been used in humorous comments and for ridicule, typically by drawing attention to the original writer's mistakes.



i.e. The Brits/Scots "said" it was for "health reasons"...


I'll attempt to be more obvious in the future.
 

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I got your sarcastic use of "sic", but your referring to Megrahi as "the Lockerbie bomber" and your contrasting him with Pollard with "It's not like Mr Pollard killed anyone, or anything" gave me the impression you weren't aware of the evidence which suggests he was falsely convicted.
 

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The Lockerbie bomber was released for business, not health, reasons. The British government pressured the Scotts into releasing him so that they could be on good terms with the Libyans wrt oil and gas.

As for Pollard, it's a wonder he isn't dead.

Sorry, I am not familiar with the details of this case but how would the release of a bomber (assuming he wasn't a politician turned bomber or something) have any relevance or importance in British/Scot/Libyan business world?
 

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Sorry, I am not familiar with the details of this case but how would the release of a bomber (assuming he wasn't a politician turned bomber or something) have any relevance or importance in British/Scot/Libyan business world?

The Libyans view(ed) the guy as a hero and wanted him back/released. The business connection comes from the Libyan Government's control/influence over Oil contracts. ....which the UK wanted. So trading a prisoner for oil.


I got your sarcastic use of "sic", but your referring to Megrahi as "the Lockerbie bomber" and your contrasting him with Pollard with "It's not like Mr Pollard killed anyone, or anything" gave me the impression you weren't aware of the evidence which suggests he was falsely convicted.


Yarr - It was a double Jab, (triple, actually - since I'm implying the US government is no better and would do the same if it was in {our} interests).
 
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Well - Given that the UK saw fit to release the Lockerbie bomber because of his deteriorating health(sic), I see no reason why President Obama wouldn't be fully entitled to make a similar decision. Should the President see fit to do so, OFC, 'Humanitarian Reasons' are a valid basis for a commutation if the guy is really that sick. It's not like Mr Pollard killed anyone, or anything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard



Oh - By way of comparison to Assenge - Mr Pollard is in prison for passing (among other things) volumes of information detailing the USA's entire global electronic surveillance network. As opposed to lists of informants and diplomatic name calling.

There really isn't a comparison with Assange because Assange wasn't an American citizen who betrayed his nation.