Israel violates "roadmap" once again
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This is information that you and a few others keep rehashing.
Completely ignoring the closing of settlements (some being done at gunpoint) and the pulling out of Gaza.
Israel is not going to sacrifice it's own security for some-onles political desires.
read up on how that has been going
only minor outposts have been removed and most of the time they get put up again
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Takes time to dismantle a large settlement.
Logistics to do so; place to relocate them to.
Then are the settlements to be razed?
Israel wants all the land there because of some religious beliefs. It's an ethnic/religious-cleansing land grab. It's obvious.
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mrSHEiK124
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I have three words to say about the title/op: Screw that "roadmap"
And while we're at it: Screw that "peace process"
Anytime someone utters those two deceptive terms while attacking Israel, all bets are off, in my opinion. They are merely delusiuons... propaganda shams used by terrorists and the idiots that support them to engage in war against Israel while denying Israel the right to self-defense. Cram that bogus peace process and roadmap, because the only way there will ever be peace and stability in that region is when the Palestinians and all those that support them (especially terrorists) change their ways. Hopefully there will be some more of this now that the thug-criminal Arafat is dead.
Any construction by Israelis in occupied lands is usually infinitesimal compared to what the other side does or has done.
And while we're at it: Screw that "peace process"
Anytime someone utters those two deceptive terms while attacking Israel, all bets are off, in my opinion. They are merely delusiuons... propaganda shams used by terrorists and the idiots that support them to engage in war against Israel while denying Israel the right to self-defense. Cram that bogus peace process and roadmap, because the only way there will ever be peace and stability in that region is when the Palestinians and all those that support them (especially terrorists) change their ways. Hopefully there will be some more of this now that the thug-criminal Arafat is dead.
Any construction by Israelis in occupied lands is usually infinitesimal compared to what the other side does or has done.
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What Isreal sees close up and what others see from afar may be different.
At this point, Isreal is acting nomore differently thqat the early Americans did.
The government encourage outposts to help settley the land from the natives.
Isreal is currently caught between a rock and a hard place.
An enemy is offering an olive branch of pease, yet they have internal factions that are sponsored by those who do not want peace.
The Palestinian are in the same situation. They have realized that conflict is not the answer, however, they can loose control if they stongly enforce the issue.
Both are walking on egg shells and must keep the political base by not appearing to give in to much to what the other side is demanding.
Isreal previous offered (what they felt) was land for peace and it was turned down. Therefore, they have a right to be leary about offering up land that they feel is needed for their own type of security.
Isreal does not need to grab more land; they already have it under control. It is what they are choosing to release to Palestinian in exchange for the development of peace.
Due to the fact that they are considered to be in the drivers seat, it will be (right of wrong) up to the Palkestinians to reverse 50 years of damage and show that themeselves and their Arab brothers can be trusted.
Politically the US can not cut Isreal off and if they did so, then any leverage that we had would be lost.
What other allies would then trust the US. NATO would no longer be a viable political force. SEATO would also be in chambles, creating an incentive for mischief by China and NK anong others.
Whether these tratioes are needed now that the cold war is over becomes a political and economic issue.
At this point, Isreal is acting nomore differently thqat the early Americans did.
The government encourage outposts to help settley the land from the natives.
Isreal is currently caught between a rock and a hard place.
An enemy is offering an olive branch of pease, yet they have internal factions that are sponsored by those who do not want peace.
The Palestinian are in the same situation. They have realized that conflict is not the answer, however, they can loose control if they stongly enforce the issue.
Both are walking on egg shells and must keep the political base by not appearing to give in to much to what the other side is demanding.
Isreal previous offered (what they felt) was land for peace and it was turned down. Therefore, they have a right to be leary about offering up land that they feel is needed for their own type of security.
Isreal does not need to grab more land; they already have it under control. It is what they are choosing to release to Palestinian in exchange for the development of peace.
Due to the fact that they are considered to be in the drivers seat, it will be (right of wrong) up to the Palkestinians to reverse 50 years of damage and show that themeselves and their Arab brothers can be trusted.
Politically the US can not cut Isreal off and if they did so, then any leverage that we had would be lost.
What other allies would then trust the US. NATO would no longer be a viable political force. SEATO would also be in chambles, creating an incentive for mischief by China and NK anong others.
Whether these tratioes are needed now that the cold war is over becomes a political and economic issue.
What a great role model! Genocide!
Well if you settle on other people's land that generally creates a difficult problem.
All their actions speak to the contrary. They have been continually snipping territory and settling it from the country's beginning.
or they can do it the easy way like they do with the palestinians, and just bulldoze there houses while they sleep, and if the people inside are lucky they get the fvck out before the walls fall in on them
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These already have the territory. Taken in combat from Trans-Jordan. They are choosing to relase control of portions of it to a flegling government being asked to prove itself worthy of the resopnsibility that was denied to them by their brothers.
They have not implimented Genocide; had they chosen to do so, there would no longer be the Palestinian problem.
Unlike the "Jewish" problem as perceived by the Arabs in '48.
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You seem to have missed the fact that both sides have to maintain a political balance. Which I stated in an early post.
The bulldozing of the homes was intended to be in response to the support of terrorism against the Isreal settlements and population.
Actually, this is brand new information from yesterday. Israel is doing it so often now that it might seem like one and the same, I don?t blame you ~ it looks like deja vu to me as well.
I?m not ignoring it; I think it is a positive move on Israel?s part to remove 7,500 out of 400,000+ settlers ~ it is too bad though, that you are ignoring the fact that Israel is expanding it?s settlements in other parts of the country making that 7,500 settlers less significant each day.
By building 50 new homes on the occupied land (not to mention 3500 from last week?s news) Israel is playing with fire, provoking another uprising ~ how is that for sacrificing its own security?
Yes...illegally bulldozing homes, to protect illegally built settlements on an illegally occupied land. Rightous Israel, they can never do now wrong. :roll:
Yeah, all those Palestinian children with little backpacks had better "change their ways", or else....
:disgust:
You are using junior high school logic.
I'm sure kicking old ladies and little kids in the street and then bulldozing their home is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. :disgust:
0roo0roo
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oh dont be silly. the people are given warning before bulldozing, and it isn't done at random. bulldozers have trouble sneaking around quietly anyways. it is done to the families of suicide bombers and such who are rewarded with large financial rewards for their sacrifice by many terrorist sympathisers. such rewards are just one of the motivations for the suicide bomber. destroying a house is one way to help nullify the cash rewards. it may seem cruel, but it is a measured response considering what the other side does. taking down the house of a person who has killed countless civilians is perfectly justifiable. there would be no such restraint with palestinians, they'd just kill kill kill kill.
Are you implying that all 3000+ homes destroyed by Israeli bulldozers since 2000 were occupied by families of suicide bombers? Or are you just generalizing as usual?
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Some homes destroyed were families of the bombers. OThers were homes where militants/bombers/support terrorists were suspected to live/hang out/assembly.
Again, had Isreal wanted to, they could have razed all of Gaza and cleaned out the West Bank of ALL Palestinian perceived threats and population. It may have impacted the economy somewhat, but their security would have been a lot easier.
They did a lot more for the Palestinian people than Egypt, Jordan or Syria did. They allowed them to live in some resemblence of an community and provided an opportunity for jobs
I?m glad you agree that OrooOroo generalized as usual
Some probably were; others probably weren?t. Israel is known for collective punishment and this is one example of it.
Saying that Israel could have done much worse and that it is better than Egypt or Syria does not make it look too virtuous. I hope you can see that.
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What I am indicating is the had Isreal chosen to do so; they could have completely reversed the situation that the Arabs collectively attempted to do multiple times.
Instead, they have attempted to work out some types of compremise. Not the best, however, much better than what was fostered on them as a race and nation multiple times by others.
It's all well and good when it's not your family being thrown on the street and your home bulldozed. It's very easy to just sit back and intellectualize....
The Nazis were more than able to explain in rational terms what they were doing. That didn't make it right though, did it?
The Nazis were more than able to explain in rational terms what they were doing. That didn't make it right though, did it?
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