Israel, the ultimate swing state in US election

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Aug. 15, 2004 22:07 | Updated Aug. 15, 2004 22:19
Israel, the ultimate swing state in US election
By ASSOCIATED PRESS




MARC ZELL, chairman of Republicans Abroad in Israel, poses last week at his office in Jerusalem
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When decision time comes this autumn, the real swing votes in the 2004 presidential election may not come from Pennsylvania, Ohio, or even the notorious Florida. The ultimate Bush-Kerry battleground may turn out to be somewhere more far-flung and unexpected ? Israel, Britain, even Indonesia.

And both political camps say they are getting ready for the fight, courting American voters who are living overseas and taking no chances that the expatriate vote will undermine them at the finish line.

Although an official census has never been taken, between 4 million and 10 million American citizens are believed to be living abroad.

Those over 18 are entitled to have their absentee votes counted in the state where they last lived ? no matter how long ago that was.

And many are planning to do just that.

"There's enormous interest abroad, because the whole of the world depends on the result," said Phyllis Earl, 72, who lives in Britain and has not voted in a US election since 1956, two years after she moved overseas.

Overseas voters are considered particularly important this year. Polls suggest razor-thin margins in several battleground states, and votes coming in from abroad ? a score here, a dozen there ? could well tip the balance.

Contrary to widespread belief, it was more likely American voters in Israel, not Florida, who put George W. Bush in the White House four years ago ? a phenomenon that has John Kerry's supporters in Israel vowing to do whatever it takes to make certain that doesn't happen again in November.

Kerry's sister Diana speaks several languages and has been using them all in campaign swings throughout Europe. Sharon Manitta, spokeswoman for the group Democrats Abroad, said Kerry supporters have been active in "overseas outreach efforts" in Europe, Indonesia, Mexico, and even Iran. In 2000, the organization had 30 overseas chapters; now it has a presence in 73 countries ? including an Iraq chapter called "Donkeys in the Desert."

Bush, too, has advocates chasing the overseas vote on his behalf, according to Ryan King, deputy director of Republicans Abroad, which has chapters in 50 countries. Among those crossing the oceans for Bush this fall are former vice president Dan Quayle and George P. Bush, son of the president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

"Be an expatriate patriot," says an ad planned by Republicans Abroad that also quotes former president Ronald Reagan: "We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent." After Labor Day, Republicans Abroad also plans campaign ads on the president's behalf in the International Herald Tribune and in Stars and Stripes, a newspaper with wide distribution among the estimated 300,000 to 400,000 US military personnel serving abroad.

Those who doubt that Americans living abroad could tip the balance in 2004 might consider this: Various chads aside, Al Gore received 202 more votes than George W. Bush on Election Day 2000 in Florida. Only after all the overseas votes were counted, including more than 12,000 from Israel alone, was Bush's election victory certified. The margin was 537 votesIn 2000, according to King, Israel was one of the keys to Bush's success. No other foreign country's US citizens contributed more to Bush's narrow Florida victory, he said.

Harvard Prof. Gary King, co-compiler of a survey analyzing Florida's overseas vote in 2000, has no doubt that expatriate Americans gave Bush his victory four years ago. And while it's unclear whether the vote from Israel alone was enough to put Bush over the top, 185,000 US citizens live there ? an undetermined number from Florida.

Mark Zober, chairman of Democrats Abroad in Israel, said he has no firm figures but estimates that roughly 100,000 Americans in Israel are eligible to vote in the upcoming US election, and that roughly 14,000 were registered in 2000.

But how could Israeli Jews give Bush his margin of victory when Jewish Democrats outnumber Jewish Republicans by a wide margin in the US? Both Zober and Ryan King think they know the answer.

Zober sees little doubt that the Jewish vote in New York state heavily favored Gore. But in the 2000 presidential election, Zober points out, it made no difference how Israeli immigrants from New York voted. All that mattered was how expatriates from Florida cast their ballots.

Israel is home to roughly 6,000 former Floridians ? expatriates who tend to be more conservative than Jewish voters in New York and many of whom voted for Bush in the last election, Zober said.

Additionally, he said in a telephone interview from his office in Tel Aviv, many Israeli-Americans who might have voted for Gore if they were living in the US voted for Bush because they considered him an unflinching supporter of Israel.

Once in Israel, Zober said, Jewish voters are no longer guided by a presidential candidate's position on domestic issues. Instead, he said, they vote for whoever they think will serve Israel's interests. Even this year, Zober acknowledged, many American-Israelis are still inclined "to vote for the devil they know instead of the one they don't." No statistics exist to predict definitively whether Americans in Israel will play such an important role this November. But Marc Zell, chairman of Republicans Abroad's Israel chapter, is taking no chances.

Zell said his group has about 150 volunteers who aggressively started registering potential Bush voters a few months ago. As the election nears, he said, they will be holding "parlor sessions" at their homes to discuss Bush's support for Israel and will probably take out pro-Bush ads in Israel's English-language newspapers.

The Democrat group, meanwhile, is hoping to show American-Israelis that their adopted home is no safer today than before the war in Iraq and that Kerry is no less a friend to Israel than Bush.
 

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So, we ignore the black vote in Florida, but the Israeli vote is carefully counted. Great. I suppose this makes certain people feel good about our system. Sickening.
 

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
So, we ignore the black vote in Florida, but the Israeli vote is carefully counted. Great. I suppose this makes certain people feel good about our system. Sickening.

i think you totally missed the point.
 

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"Gore received 202 more votes than George W. Bush on Election Day 2000 in Florida. Only after all the overseas votes were counted, including more than 12,000 from Israel alone, was Bush's election victory certified. The margin was 537 votes."

So by my math, it seems that the breakdown was 5,631 for Gore and 6,369 for Bush from Israel. That's still a pretty close count. Although it tipped the scales for Florida in that, I wouldn't say that Israel's votes are gonna guarantee a Republican in in Florida.
 

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
You think wrong.

it certainly does not seem so, out of nowhere you get "THE BLACK VOTE IS BEING IGNORED!!!" that has nothing to do whatsoever with the OP

can you demonstrate with any amount of logic how this article implies the "black vote" is being ignored?

or put another way...WTF does the "black vote" have to do with an article about overseas voters(mainly ones in israel), should they have said "and we want the black voters overseas too" just to keep the racially oversensitive from crying brcause they were not specificly mentioned and made to feel special?
 

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: arsbanned
You think wrong.

it certainly does not seem so, out of nowhere you get "THE BLACK VOTE IS BEING IGNORED!!!" that has nothing to do whatsoever with the OP

can you demonstrate with any amount of logic how this article implies the "black vote" is being ignored?

or put another way...WTF does the "black vote" have to do with an article about overseas voters(mainly ones in israel), should they have said "and we want the black voters overseas too" just to keep the racially oversensitive from crying brcause they were not specificly mentioned and made to feel special?

agreed
 

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This information is something that I was not aware of. What I find amazing is the amount of manpower spent by both parties to solicit the overseas vote. I guess you learn something new every day. :)
 

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The overseas vote also include military personnel, based abroad and within the US who claim Fla as their home state of record.
 

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
This information is something that I was not aware of. What I find amazing is the amount of manpower spent by both parties to solicit the overseas vote. I guess you learn something new every day. :)

Most say P&amp;n is nothing but a Cesspit. Well even Cesspits can grow a flower now and again.

Good fertilizer :D
 

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So, we ignore the black vote in Florida

When did this happen? I have yet to see any real or serious charges of this anywhere... You would think that if it happened, and there was actual proof something would have come out of it. But, more likely it is just the result of racist windbags like Jesse Jackson.
 

Thump553

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This may explain why Bush became actively involved in the Israeli problem about a year ago, after ignoring it totally beforehand, and why he has come out 110% in support of the policies of the Sharon government.
 

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Vote if you can


If you can, vote in the US elections
By MICHAEL M. ROSEN


Earlier this month, a startling and widely syndicated article appeared on the AP wire, cleverly titled "Israel, the ultimate swing state in US election."

According to the article, the Republican and Democratic parties have been trolling for votes among an estimated 185,000 American expatriates living in Israel.

The AP's Randall Richard even speculated that absentee ballots cast by Americans in Israel may have given President Bush his razor-thin victory in Florida.

In my view, Israelis ? and not just those of American origin ? should feel no shame in playing a role in the upcoming election.

In the wake of the September 11 attacks and in the midst of the Iraq war, the American electorate has focused its attention on terrorism and the Middle East more than in any other presidential contest.

President George W. Bush has designed the road map, voiced support for the security fence and counterterrorist measures, and endorsed limited settlement expansion; Senator John Kerry, for his part, has taken several positions on the fence, suggested James Baker and Jimmy Carter as peace process envoys, and generally pushed for a diplomatic breakthrough.

All of these actions have provoked intense media coverage and criticism from the Jewish Right and Left alike.

For this reason, the White House, as well as Jewish groups associated with the Republican Party, have invested significant resources in courting the Jewish vote.

Since the 1930s, Jews have traditionally gravitated toward the Democrats mainly over issues of social welfare and domestic policy. In 2000, according to most surveys, Bush captured only 19 percent of the Jewish vote.

Yet Republicans remain confident that their efforts will pay off. The Republican Jewish Coalition, for instance, has touted the endorsement of Bush by Ed Koch, the Democratic (and Jewish) former mayor of New York, and David Dermer, the current Democratic (and Jewish) mayor of Miami Beach.

When the National Jewish Democratic Council published an Internet poll showing Kerry with a 75- to 22-percent lead over Bush among Jewish voters, the RJC's director questioned the accuracy and timing of the poll, conducted during the Democratic National Convention and over Tisha Be'Av.

A more recent poll taken by Tel Aviv University on August 10 generated quite different results: 49% of Israelis preferred Bush, while 18% favored Kerry and 9% viewed them the same.

Of course, this survey polled Israelis of all stripes, the majority of whom will not be voting in the US election. (One ironic commentator questioned the veracity of these numbers given that 24% of the polled Israelis offered no opinion.)

Nevertheless, it says something important about how Israelis view the two candidates.

And this is the crux of the matter: For those confident in Bush's steadfast support of the Jewish state in its struggle against relentless terror, or hopeful that Kerry will advance a moribund peace process; for recent American immigrants, native Israelis, or American Jews who care deeply about Israel, this election matters a great deal.

It's not merely that the estimated number of former Floridians living in Israel (6,000) exceeds Bush's vote margin in 2000 in Florida (537); nor that both the Republican and Democratic parties have extended campaign efforts to Israel; nor that the parties jockey heavily for Jewish votes, offering, for instance, a reading of Lamentations on the floor of the Democratic convention and Sabbath services at the Republicans' California state gathering.

Instead, Israelis and Jews today confront a world in which dark forces seek their destruction, ostensibly neutral entities offer no support, and a small group of friends provides critical succor.

These contrasts appeared in microcosm during the Olympic Games, where Iran ranked its athlete's refusal to wrestle an Israeli among "the history of Iranian glories," conduct the International Olympic Committee refused to sanction.

Days later, Israel gloriously captured its first gold, symbolically gaining global recognition of its place among the nations.

These emotional extremes ? vivid reminders of the ambivalence with which the world still greets Israel's existence ? are, alas, the fate of the Jewish state and people at this point in time.

For this reason, the upcoming American election carries special weight.

To be sure, whoever is elected will support Israel and will encourage a settlement to the conflict. But Bush and Kerry will undoubtedly take very different approaches to these two imperatives; the former more likely to side with the Jewish state when tensions heighten with the Palestinians, the latter more intent on urging reconciliation.

Israelis should make their voices heard on which agenda should take priority because they will feel the effects of the 2004 decision in deep-seated ways.

Recently in these pages, former Meretz MK Naomi Chazan lamented Israeli involvement in the American presidential contest, arguing instead that Israelis should "trust the instincts" of those who will bear the election's consequences.

Yet Israelis, whether native or American-born, may well feel the results of the elections more existentially than many Americans, a stake justifying careful attention and studied involvement.






 

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Top Israeli rabbi says Jews should vote for Bush


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Laurie Copans, THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 26, 2004

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A senior Israeli rabbi with influence among almost 150,000 American Jews ruled Tuesday that they should vote for President George W. Bush in the upcoming US elections, his office said.

Rabbi Shalom Yosef Elyashiv, responding to queries from Americans residing in Israel, has decided that Bush is better for Israel than his competitor, John Kerry, said an assistant to the rabbi, Haim Cohen.

Elyashiv's opinions are respected by large ultra-Orthodox communities, especially in Israel and the US. Elyashiv has strong influence over about half of all haredi Jews of European origin.

"Apparently George Bush loves Israel and thus we need to vote for him," the rabbi said Tuesday, according to Cohen.

The rabbi does not usually rule on political matters, especially those that don't directly concern Israel. But Elyashiv decided that the US is a "kingdom of grace," or great friend to Israel, and thus the elections there can directly influence the Jewish state, Cohen said.

About 140,000 American Orthodox Jews will probably abide by Elyashiv's decision, said Sam Heilman, an expert on American Jews at Queens College in New York. But Elyashiv is just confirming the theories of many analysts who believe most haredi Jews in the US vote Republican, Heilman said in a telephone interview from his office.

"What's extraordinary is that the rabbi is addressing non-Israelis in a sense," Heilman said. "This confirms that the Orthodox community, by and large, is supporting Bush more than Kerry."

But those Orthodox Jews who are already dead set on Kerry will not necessarily change their minds, despite Elyashiv's ruling, Heilman said.

The rabbi's decision will influence the vote of at least 10,000 American Jews currently residing in Israel, at least 700 of whom are from the battleground state of Florida, he said.

Most American Jews typically vote Democrat and, in 2000, the community voted 4-to-1 for Al Gore. But Kerry faces a tougher battle among Jews this election since Bush has built a reputation as a strong backer of Israel.

 

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All good Jews should vote for president Bush. He is wisely supporting Israel even at the expense of US national security interests.