Israel stabs the Iranian people in the back

[Phokus]

JERUSALEM, June 21 (Reuters) - Israeli President Shimon Peres, commenting on unrest in Iran, said on Sunday he hoped the current Iranian government would disappear.

"Let the young people raise their voice of freedom for a positive policy. Let the Iranian women, who are a very courageous group of people, to voice their thirst for equality, for freedom," Peres said in English in a speech to visiting Jewish fundraisers.

"I really don't know what will disappear first, their enriched uranium, or their poor government," said Peres, whose post is largely ceremonial. "Hopefully, the poor government will disappear."

http://www.reuters.com/article/late...is/idUSLL387015

This is bad. Tying Israel to the protestors will embolden the theocratic regime. I just hope this doesn't mean more bloodshed. It's obvious Israel wants Ahmadinejad to prevail, they'll have their boogeyman. If Mousavi succeeded, it would be much harder for Israel to justify to the world a strike against Iran.

Reaction from one iranian twitterer:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

edit: i accidentally cut off part of his speech:

"I really don't know what will disappear first, their enriched uranium, or their poor government," said Peres, whose post is largely ceremonial. "Hopefully, the poor government will disappear."

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This thread has gon off target and people to not want it back on topic.

Calling people names off the bat does not help one's position

Senior Anandtech Moderator
Common Courtesy

 

[ProfJohn]

:roll:

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
:roll:

You're retarded

http://www.amconmag.com/lariso.../15/silence-is-golden/

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, everyone who stands against the Iranian regime should just shut up for their own good.

 

[ProfJohn]

OMG!!! Obama is in on it too!!!

The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

So we stand with the protesters... I guess Obama wants the current government to stay in power too.

 

[Jaskalas]

By your own logic Phokus, Israel should announce their profound love and support for Ahmadinejad thereby obliterating his existence.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
OMG!!! Obama is in on it too!!!

The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

So we stand with the protesters... I guess Obama wants the current government to stay in power too.

Actually i accidentally cut off part of shimon's speech:

"I really don't know what will disappear first, their enriched uranium, or their poor government," said Peres, whose post is largely ceremonial. "Hopefully, the poor government will disappear."

Obama is talking about the right for free speech and free assembly, shimon is publicly saying he hopes the government is deposed.

You're a retard

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
By your own logic Phokus, Israel should announce their profound love and support for Ahmadinejad thereby obliterating his existence.

Are you retarded? Israel wants to STRIKE against Iran, Ahmedinejad is what keeps that hope alive.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

OMG!!! Obama is in on it too!!!

The Iranian government must understand that the world is watching. We mourn each and every innocent life that is lost. We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people. The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights.

So we stand with the protesters... I guess Obama wants the current government to stay in power too.

That's what Obama has been saying all along. Does this mean you now approve of his actions, even though he isn't going aggressive and hostile with threats of sanctions or other actions that could only make things worse?

In this thread, you were all full of yourself trying to spew a false history lesson, claiming Iranis wouldn't care if we intervened or that they wouldn't recall that our CIA actually DID help to overthrow their democratically elected leader to install the Shah's brutal dictatorship. You said:

I am sure the people of Iran know about what happened in 1953, but I am also sure that they don't care. Anything that happens before you are born might as well be ancient history because it has the same impact on your lives.

Obama's still not taking any actions that would make the U.S. a false diversionary target for the mullahs.

 

[Lemon law]

Not only Peres, but Meet the Press gave Netanyuhu a soapbox on today's program. Something that I consider most unwise for the mostly neutral Meet the Press as they addressed the issue of Iranian demonstrations.

Its quite plain, and Netanyuhu confirmed it, that Israel is itching to bomb Iran. And Netanyuhu confirmed that he is requesting from Obama. (1) The right to overfly Iraq. (2)
Bigger and better bunker busters. (3) Better in flight refueling tankers. All acts, that would cause the the entire mideast to go ballistic.

All in all, I consider what is now happening in Iran to be one of the biggest potential events in the mid-east in many decades, and we will just have to patiently wait for events to unfold. As for Israel, its still mired in its own failed policy its used for 61 years now, and that Israeli policy is getting less tenable by the day. And now Israel, unwilling to support any Palestinian State to advance any peace process now wants to bomb Iran???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[TruePaige]

Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Accism posted from another forum:

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

Nice, you pick one random tweet from a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment that is Iran to be your Anti-Semitic buddy and tell me why Israel is bad.

Great way to use facts and the truth! Do you work for Fox?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
By your own logic Phokus, Israel should announce their profound love and support for Ahmadinejad thereby obliterating his existence.

Are you retarded? Israel wants to STRIKE against Iran, Ahmedinejad is what keeps that hope alive.

Oh, it's the PR person and not the nuclear weapons program that keeps that "hope" alive?

What does Ahmedinejad mean to the world Phokus? Or to that matter, what does he mean to you? Don't come in here with the lie that the world would treat an Israeli strike any differently depending on whether Ahmedinejad is the spokesman or not. You are hell bent on condemning Israel whether it's Ahmedinejad or not.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

Nice, you pick one random tweet from a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment that is Iran to be your Anti-Semitic buddy and tell me why Israel is bad.

Great way to use facts and the truth! Do you work for Fox?

You're an imbecile. You do realize that there's great tensions between israel and iran and the iranian leadership uses anti-israeli slogans to stir up anger at israel and uses that anger to keep themselves in power, right? This isn't about the tweeter being anti-semetic you moron, it's about him realizing that it will stir up nationalistic feelings if israel gets involved and empowers the iranian regime.

I feel like i'm talking to a 2 year old here.

 

[fallout man]

While I feel that it may be a stretch to say that Israel really "wishes" to get into a military confrontation, it's not much of a stretch.

Israeli foreign policy relies on the magical thought that they can strike anyone in the region, and then get away with it using their fairy pixie wings. I really don't see them making real thoughful strategic assessments in terms of getting into a potentially region-wide conflict simply because Israel has pulled the wool of triumph over its eyes, woven while shooting fish in a barrel in 2006, and 2008.

When there's a failure on the part of the government, and the Israeli people to comprehend that they are not invincible, "wishing" for confrontation boils down to "let's see what our cool American jets can get away with." The Iranian threat is trumped up to the highest orders, so that the votes of the fearful and the foreign (US) aid can keep flowing.

...and hey, if shit does hit the fan after an unprovoked Israeli strike in Iran, and the region erupts in a fireball, there's always Uncle Sammy (who is now a black lovely human, according to Israel's promising young minds) to come bail Bibi and the Chosen out, amirite? Then again, there are always those "off the books" illegal nukes Israel has, so that they can take the middle east with them on their way out.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
By your own logic Phokus, Israel should announce their profound love and support for Ahmadinejad thereby obliterating his existence.

Are you retarded? Israel wants to STRIKE against Iran, Ahmedinejad is what keeps that hope alive.

Oh, it's the PR person and not the nuclear weapons program that keeps that "hope" alive?

What does Ahmedinejad mean to the world Phokus? Or to that matter, what does he mean to you? Don't come in here with the lie that the world would treat an Israeli strike any differently depending on whether Ahmedinejad is the spokesman or not. You are hell bent on condemning Israel whether it's Ahmedinejad or not.

You're dumb as hell... Ahmedinejad is strategic for Israel. The world does not like a-jad one bit and if Israel struck Iran while he was in power, it would be a helluva more forgiveable than if they struck while a reformer was in charge (who, btw, is riding the wave of an iranian revolution that is getting the sympathy of the rest of the world). Are you really this dense?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Hahaha. Cool story, bro.

Tool.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

Nice, you pick one random tweet from a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment that is Iran to be your Anti-Semitic buddy and tell me why Israel is bad.

Great way to use facts and the truth! Do you work for Fox?

You're an imbecile. You do realize that there's great tensions between israel and iran and the iranian leadership uses anti-israeli slogans to stir up anger at israel and uses that anger to keep themselves in power, right? This isn't about the tweeter being anti-semetic you moron, it's about him realizing that it will stir up nationalistic feelings if israel gets involved and empowers the iranian regime.

I feel like i'm talking to a 2 year old here.

Someone trying to use 3 "tweets" as the basis for an argument generates perpetual irony trying to insult anyone.

Israel supporting an overthrow of the government in power now fosters greater support from the Western world and is great for relations with the new government that comes into power if that happens.

But deny you have have the most Anti-Semetic intentions at heart if you wish.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Hahaha. Cool story, bro.

Tool.

Go back to /b/.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Hahaha. Cool story, bro.

Tool.

Go back to /b/.

NO U

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

Nice, you pick one random tweet from a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment that is Iran to be your Anti-Semitic buddy and tell me why Israel is bad.

Great way to use facts and the truth! Do you work for Fox?

You're an imbecile. You do realize that there's great tensions between israel and iran and the iranian leadership uses anti-israeli slogans to stir up anger at israel and uses that anger to keep themselves in power, right? This isn't about the tweeter being anti-semetic you moron, it's about him realizing that it will stir up nationalistic feelings if israel gets involved and empowers the iranian regime.

I feel like i'm talking to a 2 year old here.

Someone trying to use 3 "tweets" as the basis for an argument generates perpetual irony trying to insult anyone.

Israel supporting an overthrow of the government in power now fosters greater support from the Western world and is great for relations with the new government that comes into power if that happens.

But deny you have have the most Anti-Semetic intentions at heart if you wish.

Is calling me an anti-semite all you have? Give me the evidence, moron.

This example by shimon peres is also the reason why Obama has given measured responses to the situation in Iran, Obama doesn't want to give too much fodder to the Iranian regime. You're an imbecile. Obama WANTS the revolution to succeed. Being a gung-ho cowboy like shimon is right now has the opposite affect.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Hahaha. Cool story, bro.

Tool.

Go back to /b/.

NO U

Pics or GTFO.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

Nice, you pick one random tweet from a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment that is Iran to be your Anti-Semitic buddy and tell me why Israel is bad.

Great way to use facts and the truth! Do you work for Fox?

You're an imbecile. You do realize that there's great tensions between israel and iran and the iranian leadership uses anti-israeli slogans to stir up anger at israel and uses that anger to keep themselves in power, right? This isn't about the tweeter being anti-semetic you moron, it's about him realizing that it will stir up nationalistic feelings if israel gets involved and empowers the iranian regime.

I feel like i'm talking to a 2 year old here.

Someone trying to use 3 "tweets" as the basis for an argument generates perpetual irony trying to insult anyone.

Israel supporting an overthrow of the government in power now fosters greater support from the Western world and is great for relations with the new government that comes into power if that happens.

But deny you have have the most Anti-Semetic intentions at heart if you wish.

Is calling me an anti-semite all you have? Give me the evidence, moron.

This example by shimon peres is also the reason why Obama has given measured responses to the situation in Iran, Obama doesn't want to give too much fodder to the Iranian regime. You're an imbecile. Obama WANTS the revolution to succeed. Being a gung-ho cowboy like shimon is right now has the opposite affect.

Did you just ask for evidence after you based your entire argument on a "tweet"?!

I got a kettle for you to meet, though you might just call him black.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
Phokus you sound like a retard here. What the hell.

So Israel saying they don't like Iran's current regime is stabbing the protestors in the back. Man I guess a lot of the UN is in on this conspiracy against the protestors too!

Don't be an anti-semite.

Anti-semite, right

Here's another poster from another forum who should be able to explain to you in baby words why Israel publicly wishing the regime be deposed is bad

Imagine if Hitler and Stalin had both risen from the grave to express their support for Obama during the US election. That might give some measure of an idea of the kind of effect Israeli "support" might have on the general populace of Iran.

And again, this iranian tweeter 'gets' it:

First reaction from one Irainian tweeter:

@knv: Israelis stabbed us (People of Iran) in the back! We will never forget this...

@knv: we don't need his israel's support.This will give the gov excuse to link our movement with Israel & israelis know this very well

@knv: Isreal needs scapegoats like AhmadiNejad. Netanyahu & AhmadiNejad are 2 sides of same coin

Nice, you pick one random tweet from a hotbed of anti-Israeli sentiment that is Iran to be your Anti-Semitic buddy and tell me why Israel is bad.

Great way to use facts and the truth! Do you work for Fox?

You're an imbecile. You do realize that there's great tensions between israel and iran and the iranian leadership uses anti-israeli slogans to stir up anger at israel and uses that anger to keep themselves in power, right? This isn't about the tweeter being anti-semetic you moron, it's about him realizing that it will stir up nationalistic feelings if israel gets involved and empowers the iranian regime.

I feel like i'm talking to a 2 year old here.

Someone trying to use 3 "tweets" as the basis for an argument generates perpetual irony trying to insult anyone.

Israel supporting an overthrow of the government in power now fosters greater support from the Western world and is great for relations with the new government that comes into power if that happens.

But deny you have have the most Anti-Semetic intentions at heart if you wish.

Is calling me an anti-semite all you have? Give me the evidence, moron.

This example by shimon peres is also the reason why Obama has given measured responses to the situation in Iran, Obama doesn't want to give too much fodder to the Iranian regime. You're an imbecile. Obama WANTS the revolution to succeed. Being a gung-ho cowboy like shimon is right now has the opposite affect.

Did you just ask for evidence after you based your entire argument on a "tweet"?!

I got a kettle for you to meet, though you might just call him black.

Here, chew on this (posted on the 1st page);

http://www.amconmag.com/lariso.../15/silence-is-golden/

Many middle east experts have explicitly stated that Obama needs to tread carefully in how he publicly supports the demonstrators, and he has done just that. Shimon just ruined it.