Israel may go into Gaza AGAIN! Plus Iran giving Hezbollah money.

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
You can deceive others with your lies but you certainly won't deceive me. The restrictions on movement was severe then as it is today. The reaction to a suicide bomber was harsh. There was collective punishment then as there is today. Come back with the truth or don't come at all.

You wouldn't happen to have any links, would you?

Are you saying otherwise? If so, show me one instant in history where terrorism was defeated militarily (that means EXCLUDING ANY political solution). I'll be waiting for your answer.

Hama, Syria
You just kill them all; simple, isn't it?
Even if you don't get them all, those left would think twice or even thrice before messing with out.

+ Black Semptember in Jordan and the raids of the Egyptian Goverment on the Muslim Brothers. All are examples that terror can be easily oppressed with enough force, or, alternatively, with enough sophistication as Israel does.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
You can deceive others with your lies but you certainly won't deceive me. The restrictions on movement was severe then as it is today. The reaction to a suicide bomber was harsh. There was collective punishment then as there is today. Come back with the truth or don't come at all.

You wouldn't happen to have any links, would you?

I have hundreds of files in .pdf. I can send them to you if you'd like. But I don't think that's necessary. Just do a search on terrorism in Israel and I'm sure you'll see the response.

Are you saying otherwise? If so, show me one instant in history where terrorism was defeated militarily (that means EXCLUDING ANY political solution). I'll be waiting for your answer.

Hama, Syria
You just kill them all; simple, isn't it?
Even if you don't get them all, those left would think twice or even thrice before messing with out.

The Alawite people (the minority currently in power) run a police state. Besides, there was no terrorism on the part of the Muslim Brotherhood. They never terrorized the state. Furthermore, the Muslim Brotherhood has been around for 80 years and it is not a terrorist organization. Try harder.

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

+ Black Semptember in Jordan and the raids of the Egyptian Goverment on the Muslim Brothers. All are examples that terror can be easily oppressed with enough force, or, alternatively, with enough sophistication as Israel does.

Link?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Waiting in endless lines at multiple checkpoints, being locked down in your home for days on end... no jobs, no electricity, no water, and a security fence between you and your crops... living off the UN dole... and when some hothead takes a potshot at the Israelis, they level the neighborhood... your neighborhood.

Oohhh.... You're breaking my heart....
Too bad you're neglecting the fact that checkpoints, etc came after terrorist attacks.
Also, if Egypt, Jordan, and Syria didn't start a war in 1967 in the Palestinians' name, then there wouldn't be this mess, and the "Palestinians" would be living under the control of the Jordanians and the Egyptians.

BTW, ever wondered why Egypt didn't take back the Gaza strip when Sinai was returned, or why Jordan didn't really care that much for the West bank? I guess they were smart enough to realize that it's not worth the headaches that will come with it.

The Israelis treat their domestic animals better.

Keep it in perspective: tens of thousands citizens were slaughtered in Syria; hundreds of thousands in Iraq; Jordan killed several thousdands Palestinians in a few weeks; and in Iran they handed plastic keys to children and sent them over mine fields.

You have a hard time sticking to the topic at hand, don't you. To me, it seems like you're very defensive. As for terrorism. You can keep saying it until it gives you nightmares, but the terror that Israel dishes out is far worse than what the shaheeds have done. As for the other conflicts, it just underlines the fact that the Palestinians have been a victim for two long. Instead of Israel recognising this fact and treating the Palestinians as neighbors that deserved their land back, Israel just points the fingers at others and says: "Look, they did it and got away with it." And that's exactly what you're doing here.

Pathetic.

You can't ignore the chain of events that led to the current situation in Gaza and the West Bank. They had everything going very well during the 90's. What happend since then? What happend during the Oslo process, when a bus would have exploded in Israel every day, but the Palestinians enjoyed great liberties compared to today?

You can deceive others with your lies but you certainly won't deceive me. The restrictions on movement was severe then as it is today. The reaction to a suicide bomber was harsh. There was collective punishment then as there is today. Come back with the truth or don't come at all.

Rabin said, and I'm one that will never forget these words of plain stupidity and naivity, that "those are the victims of peace", and never taken considerable military action during the 90's. Could you point otherwise? I mean, it's much more difficult showing something WASN'T done than the opposite. So go ahead, show me what Israel did in Gaza and the West Bank during the 90's. Sure there were actions, but on a very small scale.

It wasn't until 2002 that the Israeli goverment finally decided that enough is enough and went to the operation in Jenin.

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: screech

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Narmer
Terrorism is here forever. I hope it never goes away becauses it gives a grieving people an avenue to vent their anger. Besides, it's the only way those in power will recognize the weak's strength. And since it can never be defeated militarily, the powerful have to come to the table with a fair political solution. God bless it.

I would defeat it by bombarding each and every village from whence terrorism comes. If they wish to invite bloodshed among their population, then they need to feel the full force of bloodshed. I?d let the very few who survive remind future generations not to start wars they cannot win.

Yet terrorism will continue until we realize we cannot pretend to be ignorant of its damages to us. The desire to win is all we require, the capabilities of blowing away entire civilizations are already within our control.

Terrorism cannot be militarily defeated.

That's exactly the kind of intelligent discussion we're looking for here :thumbsup:

Are you saying otherwise? If so, show me one instant in history where terrorism was defeated militarily (that means EXCLUDING ANY political solution). I'll be waiting for your answer.

Israel, again, is doing it every day. How else could you explain the relative lack of terror inside Israel? Israel is the only developed country to ever deal with such massive terror and it's doing it damn well. The ones to really suffer are the Palestinians.

There was something called a truce, remember, between the terrorists and the Israeli Government?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well, IMHO Hitler had a DIRECT impact on the creation of the state of Israel. Furthermore, Zionism is a racist institution, just like the NAZI institution that permeated Germany during Hitler's reign.

And that has to do with the topic how?
You criticize me for going off-topic when I reply, while you do it even without replying.
In fact, you just did it again, in your attempt to spread your propaganda.

You can try to prove as hard as you can that Zionism=Racism=Nazism, but so far there aren't any death factories in operation in Israel.
Furthermore, if anything resembles Nazim nowadays, that is Islam, in case you haven't noticed.

Heh, you say Zionism is racist, while all the wackos in the Arab world equate Jews to animals, and call for their murder. I guess that's not "racism" by your standards.

Israel knows that it cannot hold on to those territories. International law says it's illegal.

International law also says that Hezbollah should be disarmed, so what's your point?

[blah blah blah] .... Nevertheless, common sense will give her the moral and legal upperhand iff (if and only if) she resolves the Palestinian issue.

Seems like too many countries in the region are preoccupied with the Palestinians, namely Iran: it cannot deal with its own problems, so it needs a scapegoat to fool the weak minded.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I would defeat it by bombarding each and every village from whence terrorism comes. If they wish to invite bloodshed among their population, then they need to feel the full force of bloodshed. I?d let the very few who survive remind future generations not to start wars they cannot win.

Yes, lets have another Dresden

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I have hundreds of files in .pdf. I can send them to you if you'd like. But I don't think that's necessary. Just do a search on terrorism in Israel and I'm sure you'll see the response.

And I have a time-machine in the close that allows me to see the past first-hand, hence I can make wild assertions without any proof.

The Alawite people (the minority currently in power) run a police state. Besides, there was no terrorism on the part of the Muslim Brotherhood. They never terrorized the state. Furthermore, the Muslim Brotherhood has been around for 80 years and it is not a terrorist organization. Try harder.

*Hrrrrrmmmmmm*
Here we go (from the linked page):

Not fearing the dictates of Assad, the Muslim Brotherhood had one major goal: to overthrow the dictator of Syria.

Seems like something that could easily qulify as terrorism under a totalitarian regime (well, in reality, anything could under such a regime).
Other than that, methinks you're pretending to be stupid.

Link?

I refer you to your own words where you advised SamurAchzar to "look it up".
And BTW, Black September is one of the easiest subjects to google, so this is the second time you're playing stupid, and in the very same post. Well done!

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well, IMHO Hitler had a DIRECT impact on the creation of the state of Israel. Furthermore, Zionism is a racist institution, just like the NAZI institution that permeated Germany during Hitler's reign.

And that has to do with the topic how?
You criticize me for going off-topic when I reply, while you do it even without replying.
In fact, you just did it again, in your attempt to spread your propaganda.

I'm giving you a direct link to history. You were forming excuses.

You can try to prove as hard as you can that Zionism=Racism=Nazism, but so far there aren't any death factories in operation in Israel.

What's the difference if it's poison gas or deliberate collective punishment? Death=Death.

Furthermore, if anything resembles Nazim nowadays, that is Islam, in case you haven't noticed.

Islam has been around longer than Nazism. You conveniently the extreme part and present it as evidence that Islam=Nazism? Are you saying that there are no extremists in Judaism? Like Kahane or the rightwing fanatical Jews that kill Arabs simply because they're arabs?

Heh, you say Zionism is racist, while all the wackos in the Arab world equate Jews to animals, and call for their murder. I guess that's not "racism" by your standards.

It is racism but that is an extremity of Islam. The same is true of Zionism.

Israel knows that it cannot hold on to those territories. International law says it's illegal.

International law also says that Hezbollah should be disarmed, so what's your point?

There you go again with your finger-pointing. Pathetic.

[blah blah blah] .... Nevertheless, common sense will give her the moral and legal upperhand iff (if and only if) she resolves the Palestinian issue.

Seems like too many countries in the region are preoccupied with the Palestinians, namely Iran: it cannot deal with its own problems, so it needs a scapegoat to fool the weak minded.

You call it what you want, but Israel makes it an extremely convenient scapegoat. Or would you rather people just forgot about Palestine so the Israelis can have their way with them? You must've forgotten that Jerusalem is the Third Holiest place in Islam, no?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
I have hundreds of files in .pdf. I can send them to you if you'd like. But I don't think that's necessary. Just do a search on terrorism in Israel and I'm sure you'll see the response.

And I have a time-machine in the close that allows me to see the past first-hand, hence I can make wild assertions without any proof.

I offered to send you some, you just have to say YES and I will.

The Alawite people (the minority currently in power) run a police state. Besides, there was no terrorism on the part of the Muslim Brotherhood. They never terrorized the state. Furthermore, the Muslim Brotherhood has been around for 80 years and it is not a terrorist organization. Try harder.

*Hrrrrrmmmmmm*
Here we go (from the linked page):

Not fearing the dictates of Assad, the Muslim Brotherhood had one major goal: to overthrow the dictator of Syria.

So? Terrorism is not contingent on goals. It's contingent on methodology. Try harder.

Seems like something that could easily qulify as terrorism under a totalitarian regime (well, in reality, anything could under such a regime).
Other than that, methinks you're pretending to be stupid.

I'm not pretending to be anything but rational. Try harder.

Link?

I refer you to your own words where you advised SamurAchzar to "look it up".
And BTW, Black September is one of the easiest subjects to google, so this is the second time you're playing stupid, and in the very same post. Well done!

OK, I will, but not tonight. I have other things to do. I'll get back to you though, via this thread.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Narmer, if you don't mind me asking, what's your origin?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I'm giving you a direct link to history. You were forming excuses.

History that is much less relevant to the matter than the 1967 war that I mentioned.

What's the difference if it's poison gas or deliberate collective punishment? Death=Death.

Let me know when the Palestinians get rounded up, shipped in trucks and via train, to camps, where they'll be taking "showers".

So far you have nothing to backup your claim that Israel is equal to Nazi Germany.
Hell, even the numbers aren't supporting your arguments -- during the events of Black September more Palestinians died, than would die over a year because of Israel (or supposedly die, like al-Durah).

Islam has been around longer than Nazism. You conveniently the extreme part and present it as evidence that Islam=Nazism?

Long existence does not mean one cannot observe similarities as to how it is applied, which seems to be quite extreme in most of the Middle East.

Are you saying that there are no extremists in Judaism? Like Kahane or the rightwing fanatical Jews that kill Arabs simply because they're arabs?

Heh.... How about you tell us how many of them exist, and when was the last time they did anything that was newsworthy.

It is racism but that is an extremity of Islam. The same is true of Zionism.

More rehtoric....
Even if Zionism is as racist as you claim it to be, that would most be in theory, while Islam has it in practice.

There you go again with your finger-pointing. Pathetic.

Don't mention "international law", if you don't expect it to be "enforced" uniformly, since that is truly pathetic.

You call it what you want, but Israel makes it an extremely convenient scapegoat. Or would you rather people just forgot about Palestine so the Israelis can have their way with them?

If Iran and Syria stopped meddling thru the funding terrorism, then perhaps some progress could be made. Till then, all the Palestinians will suffer because of the militants.

You must've forgotten that Jerusalem is the Third Holiest place in Islam, no?

So? Are you saying that Israel is denying access to anyone?
Or is it the fact that Israel is in control what's bothering you?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Narmer, if you don't mind me asking, what's your origin?

American, originally from Texas but currently in NYC.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I offered to send you some, you just have to say YES and I will.

I find it hard to believe that you have some material that isn't available anywhere else, or that some part of it isn't found on the net.

So? Terrorism is not contingent on goals. It's contingent on methodology. Try harder.

Link:

[/i]In 1976, underground jihadist networks launched a highly sophisticated assassination campaign against prominent Alawite government officials, military officers, and Baath party leaders, as well as pro-government Sunni clergymen.[/i]

Hard enough for you?

I'm not pretending to be anything but rational. Try harder.

You remind me of Aimster and his signature phrase "You Fail" at the end of every sentence.
I guess it's a way to bolster the number of words in your reply, without having to say anything of value.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
I offered to send you some, you just have to say YES and I will.

I find it hard to believe that you have some material that isn't available anywhere else, or that some part of it isn't found on the net.

I'm sure it's online, but I'm not interested in looking for it for you. But I can simply email it to you.

So? Terrorism is not contingent on goals. It's contingent on methodology. Try harder.

Link:

[/i]In 1976, underground jihadist networks launched a highly sophisticated assassination campaign against prominent Alawite government officials, military officers, and Baath party leaders, as well as pro-government Sunni clergymen.[/i]

Hard enough for you?

Nope. They are a minority in Syria. Syrian jails are filled with political prisoners. The fear is still there, that's why it's a police state. Besides, a couple of years ago the new Syrian President released some of these figures but quickly changed his mind after some of the old guard convinced him that it wasn't prudent.

Anyway, Syria is a closed state, therefore we don't know what is being done to fill up those cells, but I'm sure it isn't because people are voluntarily going to jail. Hence, the terror continues.

I'm not pretending to be anything but rational. Try harder.

You remind me of Aimster and his signature phrase "You Fail" at the end of every sentence.
I guess it's a way to bolster the number of words in your reply, without having to say anything of value.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
I'm sure it's online, but I'm not interested in looking for it for you. But I can simply email it to you.

It's ok; I'll just take your word regarding the existance of your phantom resources.

Nope. They are a minority in Syria. Syrian jails are filled with political prisoners. The fear is still there, that's why it's a police state. Besides, a couple of years ago the new Syrian President released some of these figures but quickly changed his mind after some of the old guard convinced him that it wasn't prudent.

Anyway, Syria is a closed state, therefore we don't know what is being done to fill up those cells, but I'm sure it isn't because people are voluntarily going to jail. Hence, the terror continues.

Funny how you twisted the whole issue...
Also remarkable is your obsession with Palestinian "suffering", while outright massacres on such grand scale are nothing special, and seemingly acceptable in a "closed state".

How come I can't hear you saying that the tactics used in Syria are Nazi-like?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
I'm sure it's online, but I'm not interested in looking for it for you. But I can simply email it to you.

It's ok; I'll just take your word regarding the existance of your phantom resources.

Nope. They are a minority in Syria. Syrian jails are filled with political prisoners. The fear is still there, that's why it's a police state. Besides, a couple of years ago the new Syrian President released some of these figures but quickly changed his mind after some of the old guard convinced him that it wasn't prudent.

Anyway, Syria is a closed state, therefore we don't know what is being done to fill up those cells, but I'm sure it isn't because people are voluntarily going to jail. Hence, the terror continues.

Funny how you twisted the whole issue...
Also remarkable is your obsession with Palestinian "suffering", while outright massacres on such grand scale are nothing special, and seemingly acceptable in a "closed state".

How come I can't hear you saying that the tactics used in Syria are Nazi-like?

They are Nazi-like. Does that make you feel better? Does that make you feel like you're not the only person caught reading Mein Kompf? How sad that you seek the company of dictatorships rather than democracies.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
They are Nazi-like. Does that make you feel better? Does that make you feel like you're not the only person caught reading Mein Kompf? How sad that you seek the company of dictatorships rather than democracies.

Ah, yes: "Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak"

Israel has been a democracy for over 60 years, and for all your attempts to assert that Israel is a Nazi-like, you have yet to give a single a concrete example of Israeli action that would be comparable to what the Nazis did.

While we're talking about Nazis, perhaps you should educate yourself with the following video: Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism.

Now what were you saying about Mein Kampf?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
They are Nazi-like. Does that make you feel better? Does that make you feel like you're not the only person caught reading Mein Kompf? How sad that you seek the company of dictatorships rather than democracies.

Ah, yes: "Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak"

Israel has been a democracy for over 60 years, and for all your attempts to assert that Israel is a Nazi-like, you have yet to give a single a concrete example of Israeli action that would be comparable to what the Nazis did.

While we're talking about Nazis, perhaps you should educate yourself with the following video: Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism.

Now what were you saying about Mein Kampf?

Well, how about gassing innocent civilians while looking for those conspicuous terrorists with banned chemical weapons. link

As for the mufti, that's as pathetic as those that point out that there were some Jews that declared war on Hitler during the run-up to WWII. Not surprisingly, only Holocaust deniers use that ruse.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well, how about gassing innocent civilians while looking for those conspicuous terrorists with banned chemical weapons. link

As for the mufti, that's as pathetic as those that point out that there were some Jews that declared war on Hitler during the run-up to WWII. Not surprisingly, only Holocaust deniers use that ruse.

You're pointing to your own thread -- now that's pathetic, as your attempt to spin that story.
I'll post my remarks about that in that thread, but I'll note that ProfJhon already gave you an excellent reply.

Also noteworthy is the fact that you obviously didn't watch the clip about the Mufti, yet managed to draw some sort of parallel between that and some war declaration nonsense.

Talk about excuses.........

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
Well, how about gassing innocent civilians while looking for those conspicuous terrorists with banned chemical weapons. link

As for the mufti, that's as pathetic as those that point out that there were some Jews that declared war on Hitler during the run-up to WWII. Not surprisingly, only Holocaust deniers use that ruse.

You're pointing to your own thread -- now that's pathetic, as your attempt to spin that story.
I'll post my remarks about that in that thread, but I'll note that ProfJhon already gave you an excellent reply.

Also noteworthy is the fact that you obviously didn't watch the clip about the Mufti, yet managed to draw some sort of parallel between that and some war declaration nonsense.

Talk about excuses.........

I pointed to a news article in my thread. As for the mufti, I've heard about him....long time ago. Don't care about him.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
As for the mufti, I've heard about him....long time ago. Don't care about him.

You call that a reply?
Pathetic.

 

[Screech]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
They are Nazi-like. Does that make you feel better? Does that make you feel like you're not the only person caught reading Mein Kompf? How sad that you seek the company of dictatorships rather than democracies.

Ah, yes: "Orators are most vehement when their cause is weak"

Israel has been a democracy for over 60 years, and for all your attempts to assert that Israel is a Nazi-like, you have yet to give a single a concrete example of Israeli action that would be comparable to what the Nazis did.

While we're talking about Nazis, perhaps you should educate yourself with the following video: Hitler, The Mufti Of Jerusalem And Modern Islamo Nazism.

Now what were you saying about Mein Kampf?

Well, how about gassing innocent civilians while looking for those conspicuous terrorists with banned chemical weapons. link

As for the mufti, that's as pathetic as those that point out that there were some Jews that declared war on Hitler during the run-up to WWII. Not surprisingly, only Holocaust deniers use that ruse.

Gassing innocent civilians with WP? WP doesn't "gas" people, it burns them. Not saying that is any better, but its simply another way to burn people--a pretty horrible, more deadly and painful replacement for napalm--rather than a weapon with which to gas civilians, a la Zyklon B.

IIRC, the way Israel (and the US, i believe) uses WP, illegal though it may be, is solely as an incendiary weapon targeted at enemy strongholds. To say that this is nazi-like is quite a stretch, to put it lightly. The use of WP against hezbollah is as nazi-like as the US's airial bombardment of the Taliban after 9/11; after all, they both used planes! Therefore, they are all blitzkrieg pigs!

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Narmer
As for the mufti, I've heard about him....long time ago. Don't care about him.

You call that a reply?
Pathetic.

Why? Am I supposed to care about him as much as you? Phuk that. I think you're paranoid.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Narmer
Why? Am I supposed to care about him as much as you? Phuk that. I think you're paranoid.

Case closed.