Israel Launches Ground Invasion of Gaza Strip

[Harabec]

Unwritten laws? So you make shit up and tell everyone that is what us evil Nazi overlords do eh?

 

[Brainonska511]

Unwritten laws? So you make shit up and tell everyone that is what us evil Nazi overlords do eh?

I don't agree with Abwx's characterizations, but how do you explain incidents like those described in this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27883685

In brief: a Christian Palestinian family has owned the land since at least the Ottoman Empire, has it properly titled, yet they still face continual harassment from the government that is seemingly designed to drive them, the legal owners, from their own land.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Nothing will come of this as the leadership on either side thrives on the status quo as it keeps them in power.

 

[Abwx]

Unwritten laws? So you make shit up and tell everyone that is what us evil Nazi overlords do eh?

Unwritten laws, as i learned from the best professor in an university that is ranked 99 in the world, and he made this course when we were still on the first year of our studies, this to say that the higher grades are not necessary to have knowledge of this.

But since you have poor knowledge you brand this shit, that is, the more i read here the more i see that supremacists are low intelligence people, to the point of branding shit what they ignore, how to aknowledge it better that you are ignorant, that is , their moto is that what they ignore doesnt exist..

 

[QuantumPion]

in that situation the US gov would be justified attacking military targets but not just random bombings of civilian areas

And when the Mexican government starts using human shields, putting women and children at rocket launch sites, or launching rockets from schools and hospitals, and then parading the casualties on world media as evidence that Americans are evil baby killers, what then?

 

[Abwx]

In brief: a Christian Palestinian family has owned the land since at least the Ottoman Empire, has it properly titled, yet they still face continual harassment from the government that is seemingly designed to drive them, the legal owners, from their own land.

They are ignorant, they think that sovereignty means the right to confiscate private property, they dont notice that neither the turks nor the british did confisacte lands of the native when they got sovereignty over theses lands, but in the case of israhell it s different because their raison d' etre is to stole the palestinians private property and their prime ministers all claimed it publicly from the start, years before the partition and to this day.

"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
Quote:


"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961


"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"


"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

 

[Sinsear]

i hope all the people that are for building a wall on the Mexican border, are paying attention..

because, this, is exactly how it would look if we were to take that retarded...and i say retarded, because it is, it would retard everyone involved, we'd have daily rockets, we'd need an iron dome, and the friendly mexicans down the street would still act exactly the same.....for while, until they turned on us, and there's your real apartheid...

this is why we can never, ever secure our border, or build a fucking apartheid wall.... Israel did, and it's only a matter of time until either they.

a. start world war III by dragging us deeper into this....if you haven't noticed, there's a long game being played here that can be transformed into a really quick real serious situation, like draft in the USA serious... we need to stay far away, Israel needs to stop, they are 100 percent expecting us to back everything they do....... and what about Ukraine???

or.

b. tear down that wall.

i'm not really a doomtard, or conspiracy theorist too awful much, but what i'm seeing happening now... is either gonna accelerate quickly/escalate quickly.

or Israel's gotta tear down that wall... or allow some sort of two state solution with no wall.

Apparently you're still on drugs

 

[Newell Steamer]

Finally, Israel will put an end to children playing soccer - and, let the rest of the world's children take heed; stop playing soccer.

 

[shira]

This isn't good :/

I wish something like the Iron Dome could be effective to the point where Israel could just ignore the rocket attacks instead of retaliating. Not that I'm saying this is what would happen.

Um, Iron Dome isn't very effective against tunnels.

 

[Abwx]

Something like 500 metric tons of bombs launched by planes, that is 0.25kg/inhabitant, in proportion it would be about 75 000 metric tons launched in the US , and only in cities, of course, since they are doing the massacre in an urban area....

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Something like 500 metric tons of bombs launched by planes, that is 0.25kg/inhabitant, in proportion it would be about 75 000 metric tons launched in the US , and only in cities, of course, since they are doing the massacre in an urban area....

And what's you estimate of the number of metric tons of rockets launched into Israel?

 

[Harabec]

I don't agree with Abwx's characterizations, but how do you explain incidents like those described in this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27883685

In brief: a Christian Palestinian family has owned the land since at least the Ottoman Empire, has it properly titled, yet they still face continual harassment from the government that is seemingly designed to drive them, the legal owners, from their own land.

I personally don't support such things so you won't see me "explaining" them. It is a wrong that needs to be solved by a permanent treaty regarding the future of the West Bank.
I don't have all the answers, I just live here

 

[PliotronX]

The sad part is that Hamas hides amongst innocent people and then the devastating images enrage uneducated passers by.

 

[Whiskey16]

It is a wrong that needs to be solved by a permanent treaty regarding the future of the West Bank.

Or more reasonably, the first part of a resolution is for Israel to unilaterally cease the expropriation and colonisation of territory beyond the borders of the state of Israel.

Harabec, no bi-lateral peace treaty is necessary for Israel to demonstrate its maturity and respect for law by first implementation a cessation of its state policy of high international crimes.

You seem to be creating an obstacle to peace that does not exist. It is Israel's free choice to continue action of a policy of lebensraum or not. Quite possibly by ending such active crimes, Israel may even find itself on the appropriate site of a moral barometer.

 

[Abwx]

And what's you estimate of the number of metric tons of rockets launched into Israel?

I did read about 500 rockets whose biggest have 3kg of explosive,
overall this must be about 1 metric tonne but given than it has no precision and that 80% are falling on open areas this reduce the impact of its influence in respect of urban impact to an effective 20% , that is 0.2 metric tonnes launched on urban areas, and assuming that none is intercepted, of course.

Assuming that they can target the full of the land this is 200kg/7M kg/inhabitants , that is once computed 0.028 gramme/inhabitant , to compare to the 250 grammes/inhabitant launched by the zionist usurpatory state, the ratio is 8238.

If we count that 10-30% are intercepted the ratio increase over 10 000.

Edit , i just did read that it s 1000 rockets instead of 500, so almost everyone can adjust the numbers accordingly.

 

[fskimospy]

I personally don't support such things so you won't see me "explaining" them. It is a wrong that needs to be solved by a permanent treaty regarding the future of the West Bank.
I don't have all the answers, I just live here

It's interesting that someone who lives so close to the conflict has what appears to me to be a far more moderate view of the situation than many people in America.

 

[xBiffx]

The sad part is that Hamas hides amongst innocent people and then the devastating images enrage uneducated passers by.

Yep.

Israel: protecting civilians by using rockets/missiles.

HAMAS: protecting rockets/missiles by using civilians.

 

[smackababy]

i hope all the people that are for building a wall on the Mexican border, are paying attention..

because, this, is exactly how it would look if we were to take that retarded...and i say retarded, because it is, it would retard everyone involved, we'd have daily rockets, we'd need an iron dome, and the friendly mexicans down the street would still act exactly the same.....for while, until they turned on us, and there's your real apartheid...

this is why we can never, ever secure our border, or build a fucking apartheid wall.... Israel did, and it's only a matter of time until either they.

a. start world war III by dragging us deeper into this....if you haven't noticed, there's a long game being played here that can be transformed into a really quick real serious situation, like draft in the USA serious... we need to stay far away, Israel needs to stop, they are 100 percent expecting us to back everything they do....... and what about Ukraine???

or.

b. tear down that wall.

i'm not really a doomtard, or conspiracy theorist too awful much, but what i'm seeing happening now... is either gonna accelerate quickly/escalate quickly.

or Israel's gotta tear down that wall... or allow some sort of two state solution with no wall.

Ah, I see you have zero understanding of Mexico immigration or Israeli / Palestinian conflict. Thanks for the insightful commentary though!

 

[WackyDan]

Yes, it's better to ignore them than retaliate when retaliation continually constitutes loss of civilian life, which contributes to a cycle of both sides becoming further embroiled in hatred and desire for revenge. I'm sorry you think that trying to avoid this is stupid logic.

Perhaps the civilians should not embrace letting their schools and hospitals be used as launch points for these rockets.

Perhaps the civilians should not let their homes be used as the digging point for the tunnels.

At some point you have to hit back and in hitting back the general population is going to pay a price for supporting Hamas.

 

[QuantumPion]

Or more reasonably, the first part of a resolution is for Israel to unilaterally cease the expropriation and colonisation of territory beyond the borders of the state of Israel.

Harabec, no bi-lateral peace treaty is necessary for Israel to demonstrate its maturity and respect for law by first implementation a cessation of its state policy of high international crimes.

What the hell are you blabbing about? You are aware that what you demand has actually already happened, multiple times? Israel has made many concessions, time and time again, yet Hamas has never ceased violence. Hamas even launched rocket attacks during the 5 hour humanitarian cease fire called for by the UN and abided by Israel. And you think Israel is the side which lacks maturity and respect for the law? The obstacle to peace is that Hamas keeps attacking Israel.

 

[werepossum]

I don't agree with Abwx's characterizations, but how do you explain incidents like those described in this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27883685

In brief: a Christian Palestinian family has owned the land since at least the Ottoman Empire, has it properly titled, yet they still face continual harassment from the government that is seemingly designed to drive them, the legal owners, from their own land.

What a heart breaking story. It's like watching the white European conquest of America in modern times. You are other; therefore a reason will be found to drive you away, that we may have your land.

 

[Zaap]

Yep.

Israel: protecting civilians by using rockets/missiles.

HAMAS: protecting rockets/missiles by using civilians.

 

[fskimospy]

What the hell are you blabbing about? You are aware that what you demand has actually already happened, multiple times? Israel has made many concessions, time and time again, yet Hamas has never ceased violence. Hamas even launched rocket attacks during the 5 hour humanitarian cease fire called for by the UN and abided by Israel. And you think Israel is the side which lacks maturity and respect for the law? The obstacle to peace is that Hamas keeps attacking Israel.

You realize that in order to no longer be in gross violation of international law that they not only need to stop new settlements but demolish all the already built ones, right?

Why this blind devotion to a rogue state?

 

[werepossum]

You realize that in order to no longer be in gross violation of international law that they not only need to stop new settlements but demolish all the already built ones, right?

Why this blind devotion to a rogue state?

Why this blind devotion to a rogue proto-state which launches rockets and mortars into civilian areas FROM civilian areas, kidnaps and murders children, stores rockets and suicide vests in schools and mosques, and generally celebrates and pursues every form of evil possible? It's like deciding that Charles Manson is a hero because when he was a child someone stole his bicycle.

 

[smackababy]

You realize that in order to no longer be in gross violation of international law that they not only need to stop new settlements but demolish all the already built ones, right?

Why this blind devotion to a rogue state?

Israel is a rogue state? I'm sorry, Mandatory Palestine is a legitimate state now? The British left and dissolved that shit. What came out afterwards aren't rogue states, but independent states with border disputes.