Israel could mount pinpoint raids on Iran: analysts

[JEDIYoda]

That's such far fetched paranoia as to be laughable.

I sense the idiocracy is strong in you!!

That is just what is fueling this whole Iran having nuclear weapons.

At one time I thought perhaps you were just pulling peoples chains but let me tell you that I think you believe your nonesense!

Do you really want to chance some radical extreme Muslim group getting their hands on a nuclear weapon??

Of course you will claim that will never happen. Yet who in Allah`s name do you think is funding these extreme radical Muslim groups??

Not Israel.....

 

[fskimospy]

"Fact #1: Palestinian population has higher growth than Jewish population for decades and this trend continues."

Excellent answer to the usual unhingers that keep making the genocide claim. if the israelis are trying their hand at genocide, they're sure as hell doing a lousy job at it.

Now onto a much more credible and serious issue. As I previously stated, I hope to god the israelis dont strike iran first. At the same time though, I live a half a world away, in a country where I dont have to live in a constant state of war. I seriously doubt that iran is going to launch a nuclear missle at israel the moment they have achieved nuclear status. That would basically be commiting national suicide for them. What im more worried about is iran giving nuclear material to rouge elements who wouldnt actually care about retaliation beause they dont represesent any one nation with physical borders.

Well you'll be happy to hear that there is basically zero chance of Iran ever giving nuclear material to rogue actors. Feel better now?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Well you'll be happy to hear that there is basically zero chance of Iran ever giving nuclear material to rogue actors. Feel better now?

You sure?? Do you really want to chance that one day you will wake up and find that what you believed would never happen has came to pass......

I find these forums interesting...there are those who apologize for these radical Muslims.....yet in every instance where Muslims have immigrated to another country as soon as they get large enough for there collective voices to be heard they try to convert that country to their ways...hmmmm

There are those who claim Israel cannot possibly attack Iran`s Nuclear facilities.
Then we have little ole Iran who in and of itself could just as easily go ballistic and try to nuke Israel......

Not a good idea to allow Iran to have nukes.....

 

[fskimospy]

You sure?? Do you really want to chance that one day you will wake up and find that what you believed would never happen has came to pass......

I find these forums interesting...there are those who apologize for these radical Muslims.....yet in every instance where Muslims have immigrated to another country as soon as they get large enough for there collective voices to be heard they try to convert that country to their ways...hmmmm

There are those who claim Israel cannot possibly attack Iran`s Nuclear facilities.
Then we have little ole Iran who in and of itself could just as easily go ballistic and try to nuke Israel......

Not a good idea to allow Iran to have nukes.....

I don't even know what you're trying to argue. You could literally make that claim about anything. Do you want to wake up tomorrow and realize that you forgot to tiger proof your house?

Of course it isn't a good idea to let Iran have nukes, we just probably can't stop them if they are determined enough. The idea that they are going to give nukes to rogue parties or nuke someone themselves is absurd though. They would just be ensuring national annihilation.

On a related note, I don't really understand your devotion to Israel. Assuming you are American, rest assured they do not feel a similar devotion to you as they have proved time and again throughout our history. They are an important ally in a vital region for us, but that's the beginning and end of it. No special devotion required.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I don't even know what you're trying to argue. You could literally make that claim about anything. Do you want to wake up tomorrow and realize that you forgot to tiger proof your house? -- that may be true but I would rather that be the case than wake to find the world has been changed over night....due to a rogue nuke being set off!

Of course it isn't a good idea to let Iran have nukes, we just probably can't stop them if they are determined enough. The idea that they are going to give nukes to rogue parties or nuke someone themselves is absurd though. They would just be ensuring national annihilation. -- actually in the Muslim faith there is something to be said for dying for your faith. To them annihilation is a good thing.

On a related note, I don't really understand your devotion to Israel. Assuming you are American, rest assured they do not feel a similar devotion to you as they have proved time and again throughout our history. They are an important ally in a vital region for us, but that's the beginning and end of it. No special devotion required.

I am Jewish. I have a home in Tel Aviv and my son is in the IDF.
Do you need to know more....

 

[Whiskey16]

I am Jewish. I have a home in Tel Aviv and my son is in the IDF.
Do you need to know more....

Not a statement that you were ever in the IDF nor that you ever faced the violence of warfare that your signature concisely dreams of, nor that you have any qualms nor fears of recanting the pride of your son's service may be of in vain and that of a crime.

Many past conscripts of the IDF have become some of the most ardent critics of Israeli aggression and near constant war footing that serves as a tool to further crimes.

The state of Israel does not desire a status of peace. Peace negates the current smokescreen that enables extra-territorial annexation of lands beyond the borders of the state of Israel. The demagoguery of Iran is a propoganda tool. As with the German's lebenstraum of the past, Israel implements similar tactics and methods for expansion.

Those who wish warfare to further ideological political gains and high crime of aggressions, warrant derision and condemnation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not a statement that you were ever in the IDF nor that you ever faced the violence of warfare that your signature concisely dreams of, nor that you have any qualms nor fears of recanting the pride of your son's service may be of in vain and that of a crime.

Many past conscripts of the IDF have become some of the most ardent critics of Israeli aggression and near constant war footing that serves as a tool to further crimes. -- never said I was in the IDF> My son has been going on 5 yrs now.

The state of Israel does not desire a status of peace. Peace negates the current smokescreen that enables extra-territorial annexation of lands beyond the borders of the state of Israel. -- your viewpoint not mine!!The demagoguery of Iran is a propoganda tool. -- it that is so then why do they support Hamas and Hezbollah?? I am sorry but I would hate to wake up one morning and find the propoganda exploded a nuke.....not even other Arab countries are happy that Iran will have a nucl,ear weapon...As with the German's lebenstraum of the past, Israel implements similar tactics and methods for expansion. -- I am sorry but you are very sadly mistaken. You have no clue what you are talking about...nice how you managed to bring the germans into this...

Those who wish warfare to further ideological political gains and high crime of aggressions, warrant derision and condemnation. -- nice words but they mean nothing. To the victor goes the spoils of war!!--- so please tell me who attacked Israel back in 1948....1967.....and so on....

Shalom!

 

[woolfe9999]

On a related note, I don't really understand your devotion to Israel. Assuming you are American, rest assured they do not feel a similar devotion to you as they have proved time and again throughout our history. They are an important ally in a vital region for us, but that's the beginning and end of it. No special devotion required.

I've been to Israel twice, and I don't agree with this assessment. Of course their leaders put the interests of Israel before that of the US or anyone else, but that is not a surprise. Culturally, I think there's a kinship, and notable appreciation for the help they have received.

 

[Doppel]

Israel can piss and moan, but Iran is just too big, too far way, to worry about about an Israeli flea that cannot even hope to dent Iran's 36+ deeply buried nuclear facilities in any single day attack, or in a month long bombing campaign using conventional explosives.

JediY simply understand nothing about logistics, Iran is too far away for any Israeli jets to reach without sacrificing bomb and air to air missile loads for the weight of extra fuel tanks. Worse yet, over target, Israeli planes cannot go on after burners to achieve the speeds needed to not to be low and slow sitting ducks.

Worse yet, after day one, equal quality Turkish jets are likely to side with Iran. And such Turkish jets can carry full air to air missile loads and can go on after burners with impunity because they can refuel on Iranian soil.

The only hope Israel would have is to use a Saudi route, and then we have to wonder how much longer would the House of Faud survive after their own people go ballistic.

Meanwhile Iran, in response to Saudi duplicity would probably wreck every Saudi oil loading terminal at a minimum.

Leaving us to ask, what is Bozo Netanyuhu smoking? Netanyuhu's own military experts have already told Netanyuhu that he has nothing but delusions of grandeur. But those that follow crazy leaders, usually have amply reasons to repent at their leisure.

I bolded the part that goes beyond opinion into simply being wrong. That happens Turkey can just go ahead and forget this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

Also, Iran will not attack Saudi infrastructure because it doesn't have the means to do so. It has to cross 100 miles of Persian Gulf which would in no time be packed to the hilt with Western navy preventing such an act and any attempt to enact damage being returned 10X with real damage.

Militarily the only thing Iran could do is try and shoot down planes and tell its proxy warriors who live in hills and holes in Lebanon to go on the offensive. If one argues how hard up Israel is attacking Iran the problem is magnitudes worse in the other direction.

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I have long thought the fear of Iran selling nuclear weapons to terrorists is fear mongering bordering on the literal impossible, though. There is a reason why countries don't dare do such a thing, a very simple one and a very good one and it goes like this: If they sell it to terrorists who attack anything, as soon as the source of that material is identified the country that sold it will be obliterated. Everyone knows this. Selling technology and know-how is one thing, but not even the crumbling regime of North Korea is alleged to have sold anything that can be weaponized, nor has the cluster fvck that is Pakistan. Selling weapons to people who use it is no different than pulling the trigger and it's how a nation will be treated. So if they really want to commit national suicide, which I don't believe any country in history has ever knowingly committed, they might as well just attack themselves.

Then we have little ole Iran who in and of itself could just as easily go ballistic and try to nuke Israel......

WHY???? Why would it do this? You need a lot of people on the same page to launch nuclear weapons and they'll all know that to send weapons to Israel means they ALL DIE THAT DAY. Nuclear weapons increase the potential horror of war and decrease the chance of it occurring.

 

[EagleKeeper]

LL assertion of Turkey will take on Israel is laughable.

No one in the ME wants to take on the IAF.
We have also seen how Turkey threw a fit about the flotilla and then became silent; they even asked for help from Israel due to the earthquake.

Turkey has realized that they to not want to piss off Israel and Israel can be of a benefit to them.
LL again shows no real understanding of ME politics and military concepts/strategy.

Israel already will have special forces on the ground to

• lase targets for smart bombs
• damage evaluation
• follow up destruction
• sabotage other facilities
• sabotage in infrastructure advance/during recovery efforts

Also air-air refueling increases the range and payload.
Pre-positioned fuel bladders for land refueling also accomplishes the above.

Israel will takes steps and have been extensively planning scenarios for such

 

[fskimospy]

I've been to Israel twice, and I don't agree with this assessment. Of course their leaders put the interests of Israel before that of the US or anyone else, but that is not a surprise. Culturally, I think there's a kinship, and notable appreciation for the help they have received.

As best as I can tell the policy relationship is quite one sided. The US is far more concerned with what is best for Israel than Israel is concerned about what is best for the US. I don't blame the Israelis for this at all, that's what they should be doing. I just find the US policy posture to be unbalanced.

 

[fskimospy]

I am Jewish. I have a home in Tel Aviv and my son is in the IDF.
Do you need to know more....

Well if you are Israeli (or at least if your son is), then your devotion to the interests of Israel make sense. Most of the rest of people on here are American however, and their devotion makes considerably less sense.

 

[Nebor]

Well if you are Israeli (or at least if your son is), then your devotion to the interests of Israel make sense. Most of the rest of people on here are American however, and their devotion makes considerably less sense.

I've also been to Israel, and had several good Israeli friends. They love America. They appreciate what America does for Israel. We have a special relationship that I would compare to our relationship with the UK. We have very similar cultures, and we have the same enemies. The IDF would have helped us in Iraq and Afghanistan if doing so wouldn't have been a public relations nightmare.

 

[Macamus Prime]

No doubts here. Israel will trounce Iran.

And, Iran won't risk a full on invasion effort into Israel. So, Iran will have to sit there and take the raids.

 

[EagleKeeper]

No doubts here. Israel will trounce Iran.

And, Iran won't risk a full on invasion effort into Israel. So, Iran will have to sit there and take the raids.

• Missile attacks that are photoshopped can be launched.
• Increased activity from the proxies; resulting in damage to the proxy, not Iran
• Retaliation against the world economic by attacking commerce in the Gulf -doing so will bring in other heavy hitters;

As others have said;

• No land access
• Sea access is very limited - no blue water Navy - requires passing through the Suez.
• No airpower.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Do you need to know more....

Do you suffer from any sort of mental illness?

 

[Macamus Prime]

• Missile attacks that are photoshopped can be launched.
• Increased activity from the proxies; resulting in damage to the proxy, not Iran
• Retaliation against the world economic by attacking commerce in the Gulf -doing so will bring in other heavy hitters;

As others have said;

• No land access
• Sea access is very limited - no blue water Navy - requires passing through the Suez.
• No airpower.

Let's not forgot the part where Ahmadinejad will fly counter to the Earth's rotation, in order to make us all go back in time and stop the creation of Israel in the 1st place. Have we tried kyptonite against the Iranians yet?

Iran is a joke. A total joke.

And, the fact that the 14th most powerful man in Iran is built up to be #1 or #2 makes it even more funny.

 

[tydas]

Obviously, no other country in the region is a match for Israel. The question is escalation, Israel doesn't want any escalation...what happens when Iran shoots a 'dirty' missle at Israel? Israel Nuke? Then what??

 

[SamurAchzar]

The danger is not Iran launching nukes at Israel, it most likely won't (although the insane religious zeal of the Iranian regime makes it impossible to be sure of their goals).

The danger is that in 10 years of an Iranian nuke we will find ourselves with Iraq and the Gulf states under direct or indirect Iranian control, all ME Arab nations on their own nuclear arms race and global terrorism that's supported by Iranians - with no hope of ever replacing the Iranian regime with something saner.

We will lose all influence over ME, send the area into insane violence and instability and prop up a 3-4 nuclear nations that have GDP per capita around or below $10k. This is much bigger than Iran itself, we will in fact encourage all the fucked up 3rd world countries to get nukes. And after Iran successfully researches the technology, I'm sure that it'll make nuclear tech much more readily available (AQ Khan has already set the precedent).

There's a good reason Israel is not the only worried state right now.

 

[iGas]

The danger is not Iran launching nukes at Israel, it most likely won't (although the insane religious zeal of the Iranian regime makes it impossible to be sure of their goals).

The danger is that in 10 years of an Iranian nuke we will find ourselves with Iraq and the Gulf states under direct or indirect Iranian control, all ME Arab nations on their own nuclear arms race and global terrorism that's supported by Iranians - with no hope of ever replacing the Iranian regime with something saner.

We will lose all influence over ME, send the area into insane violence and instability and prop up a 3-4 nuclear nations that have GDP per capita around or below $10k. This is much bigger than Iran itself, we will in fact encourage all the fucked up 3rd world countries to get nukes. And after Iran successfully researches the technology, I'm sure that it'll make nuclear tech much more readily available (AQ Khan has already set the precedent).

There's a good reason Israel is not the only worried state right now.

There was a theory in the 50s that America must prevent the communist from spreading though out South Asia and South East Asia by going to War and hold Vietnam. However, history proved that communist China didn't control all of SA & SEA if any after the US lost the Vietnam War.

IMHO, Iran with or with out nuke will not control the ME in any time in the near future.

 

[EagleKeeper]

We did not go to war against China in the 60s. China was considered to be stalemated by the Korean war.

Russia was considered the threat of communism; they had already demonstrated their expansion of influence in Central America and Europe. SE Asia was just another front. The NVA did not like China or trust them. Proven out afterwards.

 

[Lemon law]

We did not go to war against China in the 60s. China was considered to be stalemated by the Korean war.

Russia was considered the threat of communism; they had already demonstrated their expansion of influence in Central America and Europe. SE Asia was just another front. The NVA did not like China or trust them. Proven out afterwards.

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Which is large state politics and has absolutely nothing to do with a tiny population State like Israel.

But still, the USA got its ass kicked in Vietnam, after losing 58,000 KIA for no gain.

Similarly Russia lost the cold war economic race in 1990, and lost most of its WW2 gains when the cold war ended. But still we must ask, as the Russians and the Chinese took their peace dividends and the USA did not, who are the fat cat nations now? China is in fine economic shape, so are the Russians thanks to their oil and other untapped resources, while the US economy is in terrible shape. As they are still engaged in an un winnable quagmire in Afghanistan. And if the USA continues to support Israeli aggression, the entire Iraq war will have been a waste.

In short, EK, this post has been a case lesson on the stupidity of large state military aggression.

When we apply it to a itsy bitsy tinie weanie state like Israel, its triple stupidity in spades.
Soon the USA will no longer be able to afford the subsidize the Israeli military or afford the diplomatic isolation of doing so.

I say it again, the only future viable Israeli strategy is to become a technological asset to its less developed Arab Neighbors.

Pick your choice EK, the end of Israel or a change in friendly Israeli relations with its Arab Neighbors. I know I know, EK, you want the current Israeli Status quo, but its not going to be a future option.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Do you suffer from any sort of mental illness?

is that the best you can do to get your post count up???

 

[SamurAchzar]

I say it again, the only future viable Israeli strategy is to become a technological asset to its less developed Arab Neighbors.

Did you bother checking with the Arabs if they want to buy Israeli technology, or whether they just want their Muslim lands back?

 

[Jhhnn]

The danger is not Iran launching nukes at Israel, it most likely won't (although the insane religious zeal of the Iranian regime makes it impossible to be sure of their goals).

The danger is that in 10 years of an Iranian nuke we will find ourselves with Iraq and the Gulf states under direct or indirect Iranian control, all ME Arab nations on their own nuclear arms race and global terrorism that's supported by Iranians - with no hope of ever replacing the Iranian regime with something saner.

We will lose all influence over ME, send the area into insane violence and instability and prop up a 3-4 nuclear nations that have GDP per capita around or below $10k. This is much bigger than Iran itself, we will in fact encourage all the fucked up 3rd world countries to get nukes. And after Iran successfully researches the technology, I'm sure that it'll make nuclear tech much more readily available (AQ Khan has already set the precedent).

There's a good reason Israel is not the only worried state right now.

You're only wearing that tinfoil hat in hopes of selling more...