Israel charges Palestinians in murder of US woman

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JEDIYoda

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It is sad that this American woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time!
RIP Kristine!

But what interesting is the profiles of the killers....Police say the men were not members of a recognized militant group but were rather a loosely affiliated group that took part both in politically motivated actions and crime.


Which begs the question -- with so many different groups that are recognized as militant how there ever be even a remotely guaranteed peace??


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_tourist_killed

JERUSALEM – Israeli authorities indicted two Palestinians on Wednesday in the killing of an American woman late last year, saying the men had confessed to the killing and were also linked to another death and attacks aimed at Israelis.

Kristine Luken, 44, was stabbed to death in December while hiking with a friend in a forest outside Jerusalem. Her attackers killed her because they believed Luken, a Christian missionary, was Jewish, according to the indictment.

The killing drew attention in Israel, coming at a time of relative quiet and taking place in a popular hiking spot not far from Jerusalem. The weeks of official silence that followed her death added to the mystery.

Police said they had the suspects in custody within a day of the killing but imposed a gag order when they realized the men were linked to a longer string of attacks and other crimes, including robberies and rape.

The order was lifted Wednesday when the two suspects, along with a third accused in the murder of an Israeli woman in early 2010, were led into a Jerusalem court in orange jumpsuits and leg shackles. All three were bearded and in their early 30s.

They did not speak to reporters and do not yet have court-appointed attorneys. The indictment said the men have confessed and re-enacted both killings. Authorities also have in custody an additional 10 suspects linked to the same ring who were involved in lesser crimes like break-ins and weapons possession, police said.

Luken, who was involved with the Church's Ministry Among Jewish People, a group that promotes Christianity among Jews, lived for most of the last two decades in northern Virginia. An attorney for the family, Michael Decker, said her parents were in Texas.

They were "happy that suspects have been found," Decker said.

"They hope that these are indeed the terrorists. They hope justice will be served," Decker added. "They would like to know what happened on that tragic day when their daughter was murdered in a vicious terror attack."

The family and church kept details of Luken's place of residence under wraps.

Patrick Henry College spokesman David Halbrook said Luken worked in the college's accreditation and compliance office from October 2007 through April of 2009. The college is in Purcellville, Virginia.

On Dec. 17, 2010, the two suspects, Kifah Ghneimat and Iyad Fatafa, "decided to enter Israel illegally in order to kill Jews" and brutally attacked the two women, according to the indictment.

The indictment shows the "motives were nationalistic," said prosecutor Joey Asch.

The friend, Kaye Wilson, 46, recalled the attack in a harrowing interview with The Associated Press on Wednesday.

She said the attackers held the two for some time before binding them. Then each one began stabbing one of the women.

"I hear (the other attacker) murdering Kristine, and the next thing I remember he pushes me to the ground and leans on my side and he starts stabbing me on the left upper back. At this point I said the Jewish prayer 'Hear O Israel,' because that is what you say before you die," she said, "and I could hear Kristine crying and calling out to God."

She said she played dead with her eyes open, but she was stabbed once more in the chest. Somehow she managed to get herself to a road after the assault.

Wilson, a licensed tour guide, is an Israeli citizen and said she moved here 30 years ago from Britain. After the gag order on the arrests was lifted Wednesday, she told the AP, "I am thrilled about the fact these people have been caught."

Police say the men were not members of a recognized militant group but were rather a loosely affiliated group that took part both in politically motivated actions and crime.


Ghneimat, one of the men charged with killing Luken, and the third suspect indicted Wednesday are charged with killing an Israeli woman they found walking alone near a monastery in the same area in February 2010. Their motivation was "the situation of the Palestinians," according to the indictment.

Ghneimat is also charged with attempted murder for stabbing and wounding a young Israeli couple a few days before that attack.

Jerusalem police chief Aharon Franco said Gneimat told interrogators that the knife attack was retaliation for the assassination of a senior Hamas operative in Dubai in January 2010.

Israel is widely believed to have assassinated the man, Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, but has not commented on the allegations.
 

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While I somewhat applaud the arrest of the probable perps by the Israeli police, I somewhat question why Our OP, JediY, uses words like terrorism to describe what amounts to the behavior of Common criminals. Every society has some, we have them in the USA, there are some in Israel, there are some in every country in the world. In the good ole USA we have some 3 million people sitting in jail cells, many for equally senseless crimes.

As the link made clear, this is not an indictment of three million Palestinians, and who in the USA is getting excited about Jarded Laughners murder spree having anything to do with religion, or even politics.

So what, some people are no damn good. Criminals may claim religious and political motivations, but their overall track record proves it not to be the case.
 
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Police say the men were not members of a recognized militant group but were rather a loosely affiliated group that took part both in politically motivated actions and crime.

Their politics is what becomes a worrisome point.

One is that they attacked her because they thought she was a Jew.
 

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While I somewhat applaud the arrest of the probable perps by the Israeli police, I somewhat question why Our OP, JediY, uses words like terrorism -- to describe what amounts to the behavior of Common criminals. -- so instead of being outraged you have become an apologist for these individuals who have killed this lady??
You as well as others try to point out that every society has people like these individuals, but the sad fact is that is not true at all. Rarely if ever in the United States do you hear of people attacking somebody based on their religion or there ethnicity.

The sad fact is she was attacked because they thought she was a Jew!!
I would also be appauled if she was attacked for being a Palestinian!!


Every society has some, we have them in the USA, there are some in Israel, there are some in every country in the world. In the good ole USA we have some 3 million people sitting in jail cells, many for equally senseless crimes. --- sorry that doesn`t wash at all.....you are down playing the fact that she was attacked because they thought she was a Jew....your three million bullcrap is just that....how many of those 3 million are in prison because they attacked someone based on their religion??
As the link made clear, this is not an indictment of three million Palestinians, and who in the USA is getting excited about Jarded Laughners murder spree having anything to do with religion, or even politics.

So what, some people are no damn good. Criminals may claim religious and political motivations, but their overall track record proves it not to be the case.

Now your a apologist for these people....as Common Courtesy stated --Their politics is what becomes a worrisome point.

One is that they attacked her because they thought she was a Jew.
 

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Now JediY comes back with, "Now your a apologist for these people....as Common Courtesy stated --Their politics is what becomes a worrisome point.

One is that they attacked her because they thought she was a Jew."

Well Duh, point granted, the politics of rascals and criminals are a worry all over the planet. Why don't we talk about Israel running over Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer and the recent American art student shot in the face with a tear gas canister by an IDF soldier at point blank range for the crime of merely watching a Palestinian demonstration
against Israel. At least in the latter case, the art student will only lose one eye but retain her life. After that, we can talk about hundreds of other Israeli friendly rascals, like people who invade Mosques and gun down Palestinians, you can come back with your side, and at the end of the day, we can have a grand ole pissing contest that proves nothing.

Then we can move to the USA and maybe someone will comment that Bernie Madoff was a Jew, and we can play the anti-Semitic card all over again, until someone notes the Palestinian people are a Semitic people too.
 

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Now JediY comes back with, "Now your a apologist for these people....as Common Courtesy stated --Their politics is what becomes a worrisome point.

One is that they attacked her because they thought she was a Jew."

Well Duh, point granted, the politics of rascals and criminals are a worry all over the planet. Why don't we talk about Israel running over Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer and the recent American art student shot in the face with a tear gas canister by an IDF soldier at point blank range for the crime of merely watching a Palestinian demonstration
against Israel. At least in the latter case, the art student will only lose one eye but retain her life. After that, we can talk about hundreds of other Israeli friendly rascals, like people who invade Mosques and gun down Palestinians, you can come back with your side, and at the end of the day, we can have a grand ole pissing contest that proves nothing.

Then we can move to the USA and maybe someone will comment that Bernie Madoff was a Jew, and we can play the anti-Semitic card all over again, until someone notes the Palestinian people are a Semitic people too.

Lets us all dredge up every single instance of bad behavior in the entire world, censor out or cheery pick just one sided demonetization, and we can describe any entire conflict in the world as a slam dunk example of angels V devils.

When the unbiased person would describe the whole damn Palestinian Israeli conflict as collective bad behavior that can only appeal to a convention of maggots.

You have gone over the deep end duede.

You cannot even discuss this one article or topic without trying to explain away the wrong these Palestinians did to this woman...that is really pathetic.

probably comprehension is not one of your strong points when your using your mushrooms....yet I stated -- The sad fact is she was attacked because they thought she was a Jew!!
I would also be appalled if she was attacked for being a Palestinian!!

What good is it to dredge up or go on one of those he said she said things....or well the also....none of the past matter...in fact your problem is you think thew past matters a lot when in fact if there ever will be a peace it will be based on both parties coming to the table with no excess luggage...etc
 

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It is great that there are justice in this world. However, IMHO in this case justice is a political ploy.

Where is justice for Rachel Corrie?

It is funny how religious American/Jew sympathizer gets justice in Israel, but non religious American/Palestinian sympathizer doesn't deserve one.




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Every injustice act we make or turn our back is an inheritance like the "pandora's box" to our grandchildren. It is sad to see some Israelis and Americans making that mistake today.
 

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It is great that there are justice in this world. However, IMHO in this case justice is a political ploy.

Where is justice for Rachel Corrie?

It is funny how religious American/Jew sympathizer gets justice in Israel, but non religious American/Palestinian sympathizer doesn't deserve one.

You really must be kidding with your faux outrage over what happened to Rachel Corrie!!
According to Wikipedia -- shew knew what she was gertting into when she decided to become a human sheild against an israeli Bulldozer --
Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 &#8211; March 16, 2003) was an American member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). She was crushed to death in the Gaza Strip by an Israel Defence Forces (IDF) bulldozer when she was kneeling in front of a local Palestinian's home, thus acting as a human shield, attempting to prevent IDF forces from demolishing the home. The IDF stated that the death was due to the restricted angle of view of the IDF Caterpillar D9 bulldozer driver, while ISM eyewitnesses said "there was nothing to obscure the driver's view."[1] A student at the Evergreen State College, she had taken a year off and traveled to the Gaza Strip during the Second Intifada.[2]

Regardlessd of if the Bulldozer driver could see her or not-- she was acting as a human shield!! She placed her body purposely in harms way!

I am sorry that she died. But everybody knows it was her choice to try to stop a bulldozer with her body!!

So tell em what exactly Kristen Luken did that was wrong??
Go on vacation?
Look like Jew?

these two stories are NOT even related!!

One4 was on vacation and the other purposely placed herself in harms way...
 

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Honestly? Your going to try and pull that off
He would say that she deserved it because she is Palestinian sympathizer/terrarist and put her self in harm way by vacationed in "Jew land".

I'm surprise that AT tolerates hate speech and propagandas be it Chinese, Iranian, Korean, Arabs, Indians, Jews, etc...

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JEDIYoda

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Honestly? Your going to try and pull that off

Of course I am...she was putting herself on purpose in harms way knowing full well what the consequences could be......

Regardless of if the Bulldozer driver could see her or not-- she was acting as a human shield!! She placed her body purposely in harms way!

I am sorry that she died. But everybody knows it was her choice to try to stop a bulldozer with her body!!

So tell em what exactly Kristen Luken did that was wrong??
Go on vacation?
Look like Jew?
Did Kriten Luken have any idea that death might happen because she LOOKED like a Jew?

What exactly did Kristen need to know...that she was purposely going on vacation in Israel?

It would be a different story if Kirsten had put herself in harms way to protest or try to protect a home knowing full well she could be killed....

these two stories are NOT even related!!

One4 was on vacation and the other purposely placed herself in harms way...
 

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Where is justice for Rachel Corrie?

iGas -- He would say that she deserved it because she is Palestinian sympathizer/terrarist and put her self in harm way by vacationed in "Jew land".

I'm surprise that AT tolerates hate speech and propagandas be it Chinese, Iranian, Korean, Arabs, Indians, Jews, etc...


The problem you have iGas is you don`t know what I would say --
Here is what I say -- Rachael Corrie did not deserve to be killed! Being a Palestinian sympathizer as you called , not me, should not have played any part in the tragedy that happened!
But she knew what she was getting into when she decided to become a human sheild against an Israeli Bulldozer --
Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 &#8211; March 16, 2003) was an American member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). She was crushed to death in the Gaza Strip by an Israel Defence Forces (IDF) bulldozer when she was kneeling in front of a local Palestinian's home, thus acting as a human shield, attempting to prevent IDF forces from demolishing the home. The IDF stated that the death was due to the restricted angle of view of the IDF Caterpillar D9 bulldozer driver, while ISM eyewitnesses said "there was nothing to obscure the driver's view."[1] A student at the Evergreen State College, she had taken a year off and traveled to the Gaza Strip during the Second Intifada.

It was a sad thing that she was crushed to death. But not many people think they can stop a bulldozer with their body........

The Bulldozer driver should haver to face the consequences of his actions.

But for you to claim that what I am saying is in anyway hate speech is so blatantly pathetic.

In the case of Rachel Corrie she was wrong for what she tried to do!! The bulldozer operator as well as any troops who were observing and did nothing all should have been brought up on charges.

What exactly did Kristen Luken do that was wrong??
Go on vacation?
Look like Jew?
 

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Sadly JediY, the defect in your position is in the very thread title you choose to use. Had you said Israel charges two Palestinian thugs with the murder of an American woman, there would be no problem with your thread title. But no you choose to say, "Israel charges Palestinians in murder of US woman" As in all Palestinian share a common guilt for the actions of only two people.

Yet at the same time you would scream holy anti-Semitic bloody murder if I pointed out that Bernie Madoff was a jew, and that the other older Christian contention that all Jews bear the heritage of guilt as nonredeemable Christ killers. If you examine my post history you will discover I have always rejected any such anti-Semitic bogus bullshit, yet you JediY seems to think you can demonize an entire group for the actions reprehensible actions of only one or two.

Sadly JediY such a game will not cover either Israel or the Palestinians in any glory, but rather in a long history of one mutual stupidity heaped on another and now higher and deeper, a larger world has to ask how foolish this whole infantile crapola is?

And people with better sense should just send the process to binding third party arbitration instead. Simply because beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life down there. And the so called holy land is nothing but a pig's paradise. Pick your favorite cockroach or maggot, surely one or the other will be the temporary winner. Next move the Las Vegas betting odds will change.

But point granted, Jediy is up one and the all Palestinians are villains things, but tomorrow we will discover even greater Israeli villainy, and flip flop to the position that all Israelis are villains.
We don't know what the day after tomorrow will bring, yet, but I am bullish on the same ole shit where everyone loses.
 
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