Israel Bombing Footage Part Deux: View From The Ground

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Cry me a river. They choose war and thats what they are getting. War is hell.

BTW- Where were all these threads and intense diplomatic efforts when Israelis were being terrorized for years with ballbearing laden ordnance shot at their cities? The whole purpose to maim and kill children. The whole world is racist against Israelis from my perspective. Europe always been racists and same with the Arabs both two places where Mein Kampf was best seller at one time or another. Perhaps if you put as much effort into condemning the Arab terrorists there would be no need for war, no broken bodies, no bloody streets?

People saying Israeli actions justify suicide bombings, rocket/motor attacks, kidnapping, human shields and shootings in 3..2..1..

If a bear broke into your house, throwing rocks at it will not yield desirable results.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: jpeyton
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Be warned, there is nothing enjoyable about a street littered with mangled bodies.

This video was shot sometime in the last few days in Gaza after an Israeli bomb struck a crowded civilian street. Another member on P&N was happy to show us what a laser-guided bomb looked like from a birds-eye view, and now we get to see what the looks like at the ground level. It's always nice to see both sides of the coin.

Lets assume Israel devised a machine that for every rocket shot from Palestinian territory, blindly fires back a cruise missile at the source of the launch. Lets assume it's 100% accurate, but causes complete devastation 100m around the hit spot. Is the use of such a machine acceptable by your divine moral standards?

ahhh...tech we have that the Israels can't buy from us.... yet

 

[Deptacon]

It's a War...both sides hate each other.... literally.... this whole conflict isn't going to end at a table....

 

[kylebisme]

It is going to end only when Israel chooses to end their consolation of the West Bank; be it with death and destruction on both sides until Palestinians are reduced to tiny reservations like Native Americans were, or hopefully before that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
It is going to end only when Israel chooses to end their consolation of the West Bank; be it with death and destruction on both sides until Palestinians are reduced to tiny reservations like Native Americans were, or hopefully before that.

still preaching your caca I see

 

[kylebisme]

By that I take it you mean you support Israel's ongoing colonization West Bank? If so, could you share your reasons? I'm always interested in hearing other's perspectives.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I thought military targets were fair game?

I think that proper Israeli military targets are fair game as long as force is used in a proper manner.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
By that I take it you mean you support Israel's ongoing colonization West Bank? If so, could you share your reasons? I'm always interested in hearing other's perspectives.

The West Bank belongs to Israel courtesy of Jordan. It does not belong the the Palestinians.

As long as you choose to gripe about colonization and refuse to accept that the Arabs brought this issue down on the Palestinians then that is the same type of attitude that exists inside the West Bank.

The Palestinians chose the wrong side multiple times and now are living with the consequences.

The Arabs made the wrong choice multiple times and the Palestinians are again living the the consequences.

Israel has returned conquesred land for promised peace - at times it has worked, as seen in Gaza and the West Bank, peace is not wanted.

Using mistakes made in the past for an excuse for not moving forward is sour grapes.
the Paletinians were/are second class people undedr Arab rule.

Those that have attempted to integrate into Israeli society have much more rights/potential than those that do not.

Each nation has its own rules that they expect people to live by. When a nation bends over to accomidate the DEMANDS of other then that can weaken the nation. Israel will not do so. The Palestinians have to come to them and show sincerity - at this point they have not.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I thought military targets were fair game?

Of course military targets are "fair game"... but, that is not what Hamas is doing with their rockets, and you know that.

You're either being intellectually dishonest or you're ignorant. Which is it?

in total war everything is a military target

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I thought military targets were fair game?

Of course military targets are "fair game"... but, that is not what Hamas is doing with their rockets, and you know that.

You're either being intellectually dishonest or you're ignorant. Which is it?

in total war everything is a military target

It is, for the most part. But Israel IS picking and choosing its targets, not just lobbing rockets willey nilley. As others have said, If someone somewhere in Israel said "fuck it, let the wrath begin", the west bank would be razed in a matter of hours.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
By that I take it you mean you support Israel's ongoing colonization West Bank? If so, could you share your reasons? I'm always interested in hearing other's perspectives.

The West Bank belongs to Israel courtesy of Jordan.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It does not belong the the Palestinians.

Yes, it does:

In 1988 Jordan ceded to the PLO all territorial claims to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclo...57747_2/West_Bank.html

Why do you continue to perpetuate this conflict with your ongoing denials of such facts?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
By that I take it you mean you support Israel's ongoing colonization West Bank? If so, could you share your reasons? I'm always interested in hearing other's perspectives.

The West Bank belongs to Israel courtesy of Jordan.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It does not belong the the Palestinians.

Yes, it does:

In 1988 Jordan ceded to the PLO all territorial claims to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclo...57747_2/West_Bank.html

Why do you continue to perpetuate this conflict with your ongoing denials of such facts?

CC's argument was clearly simply 'might makes right', that it 'belongs' to Israel because Israel can take it by force, the same argument by which Saddam Kuwait was his.

He could cite some wrong, like Kuwait using horizontal drilling into Iraq or some historical reference, and justify his taking it 'back'.

In other words, any past war by the arab nations has now given Israel license to take anything it wants at all associated with those nations. No doubt Jordan 'belongs to Israel'.

 

[Woofmeister]

This is not video of Israeli bombing. It is video from September 23rd 2005, taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.

See comment here.

This side-by-side comparison of footage makes it obvious what is being shown.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
This is not video of Israeli bombing. It is video from September 23rd 2005, taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.

See comment here.

This side-by-side comparison of footage makes it obvious what is being shown.

LOL. How ironic.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
This is not video of Israeli bombing. It is video from September 23rd 2005, taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.

The evidence of this looks conclusive to me.

Now the question is, who uploaded the video claiming it was from an Israeli bombing?

It certainly could have been someone trying to falsely smear Israel, and I am sure many will take it as exactly that without any doubts.

However, it also could have been an ardent supporter of Israel trying to smear others, uploading the video to that web site with the false claim that it was an Israeli bombing, knowing that claim could be discredited later along with anyone who belived it.

I'd give either possibility 50/50 odds.

Regardless, squabbling over such details only diverts our attention from the root of this conflict; Israel's ongoing colonization of Palestinian land in the West Bank.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
By that I take it you mean you support Israel's ongoing colonization West Bank? If so, could you share your reasons? I'm always interested in hearing other's perspectives.

The West Bank belongs to Israel courtesy of Jordan.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It does not belong the the Palestinians.

Yes, it does:

In 1988 Jordan ceded to the PLO all territorial claims to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclo...57747_2/West_Bank.html

Why do you continue to perpetuate this conflict with your ongoing denials of such facts?

From your own link

In 1947 the UN voted to partition Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with the West Bank included in the Arab territory. The plan was rejected by the Palestinian Arabs; their allies attacked Israel on May 15, 1948, immediately following Israel?s declaration of independence. During the war, which became known as the first Arab-Israeli War, Jordan occupied the West Bank and the eastern portion of Jerusalem. An armistice agreement signed by Jordan and Israel in 1949 determined the boundary of the West Bank, known thereafter as the Green Line. Many Arab refugees from the fighting in Israel entered the West Bank and Jordan, some settling in refugee camps administered by the UN, others finding permanent homes. In 1950 Jordan formally annexed the West Bank; the move was recognized only by the United Kingdom and Pakistan. For the next 17 years the West Bank was governed as part of Jordan, and Palestinians were granted full citizenship. Relations between Jordanians and West Bank Palestinians, however, remained strained.

In 1967 fighting broke out between Israel and the armies of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan in what came to be called the Six-Day War. The combined Arab armies were quickly defeated. Israel took control of the Golan Heights (from Syria); the Sinai Peninsula and the Gaza Strip (from Egypt); and the West Bank (from Jordan). Soon after the war, the West Bank came under Israeli military administration, and eastern Jerusalem was incorporated into Israel proper.

Jordan ceded what they had already lost ending in '67 and did not control. If Israel ever was to give the West Bank back to Jordan, the the PAls woiuld have a claim.


What the Palestinians had was lost during the Arab Israeli wars.
The Arabs were supposed to administer the Palestinian region of the British Mandate. And the Arabs did - they took over the land and then lost it in conflict with Israel.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
By that I take it you mean you support Israel's ongoing colonization West Bank? If so, could you share your reasons? I'm always interested in hearing other's perspectives.

The West Bank belongs to Israel courtesy of Jordan.

No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It does not belong the the Palestinians.

Yes, it does:

In 1988 Jordan ceded to the PLO all territorial claims to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclo...57747_2/West_Bank.html

Why do you continue to perpetuate this conflict with your ongoing denials of such facts?

CC's argument was clearly simply 'might makes right', that it 'belongs' to Israel because Israel can take it by force, the same argument by which Saddam Kuwait was his.

He could cite some wrong, like Kuwait using horizontal drilling into Iraq or some historical reference, and justify his taking it 'back'.

In other words, any past war by the arab nations has now given Israel license to take anything it wants at all associated with those nations. No doubt Jordan 'belongs to Israel'.

At what point in history has the victor been forced to give up spoils?
It is the fact that Jordan lost the land and Israel took over control.
Jordan does not want it back.

Where was everyone shedding tears when Israel was being attacked by the Arab armies?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Jordan ceded what they had already lost ending in '67 and did not control.

The text you quoted doesn't say Jordan ceded anything to Israel, only that Israel took milltary control over the territory. The two are not the same. Hence the reason the entry goes on to explain that in 1988 Jordan was able to cede their right to the territory to the PLO.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Jordan ceded what they had already lost ending in '67 and did not control.

The text you quoted doesn't say Jordan ceded anything to Israel, only that Israel took milltary control over the territory. The two are not the same. Hence the reason the entry goes on to explain that in 1988 Jordan was able to cede their right to the territory to the PLO.

In 1988 Jordan ceded to the PLO all territorial claims to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

that is the ceded that CC is referring to.

they ceded whatever claim they had of a territory that they lost in a war that they were the immediate starters of.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: Woofmeister
This is not video of Israeli bombing. It is video from September 23rd 2005, taken in the Jabalya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip. A Hamas pick-up truck carrying Qassam rockets detonated by mistake during a Hamas rally, leaving at least 15 killed and dozens more injured.

See comment here.

This side-by-side comparison of footage makes it obvious what is being shown.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Edit: OP needs to change the thread title.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Craig234


CC's argument was clearly simply 'might makes right', that it 'belongs' to Israel because Israel can take it by force, the same argument by which Saddam Kuwait was his.

At what point in history has the victor been forced to give up spoils?

Saddam's occupation of Kuwait is an obvious example.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
It is the fact that Jordan lost the land and Israel took over control.
Jordan does not want it back.

It is also a fact that Jordan held right to the land until 1988, when it ceded that right to the Palestinian Liberation Origination.

If only people such as yourself could overcome your lust to colonize that land and start respecting the Palestinians right to the territory, then we could start putting and end to this conflict together.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Where was everyone shedding tears when Israel was being attacked by the Arab armies?

I wasn't even an itch in my father's pants back then. However, I am mournful for the suffering both Israel and Arabs endured throughout this ongoing conflict, hence my interest in helping end it.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

In 1988 Jordan ceded to the PLO all territorial claims to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

that is the ceded that CC is referring to.

That is the ceding I referred to, Jordan ceded their right to the West Bank to the Palestinian Liberation Origination, not Israel.

Originally posted by: ElFenix
they ceded whatever claim they had of a territory that they lost in a war that they were the immediate starters of.

Jordan didn't start the 1967 war, they only entered after Israel bombed Egypt.