Israel blocks Reps. Omar and Tlaib...at Trump’s request

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Meaningless coming from people that think Trump is a fascist, Hitler reincarnate. Meaningless from the lefties that think the idea of securing a border where we have real issues with illegal crossings, drugs, and human trafficking is racism. All in all, meaningless because liberals have watered down these terms and routinely apply them to everyone that disagrees with their idiotic views.

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That's bullshit. Tlaib & Omar originally planned to go together. Israel switched the narrative when they offered to let her alone visit her grandmother.

And you fell for it, of course.

"fell for it"? You really think he was fooled in some way?
 

brandonbull

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So, if I told you you had to come to Massachusetts and suck my d*ck before I allowed you to see your dying mother while others abused your other family members and you said No. Would that mean you hate Massachusetts more than your dying Grandma? That's exactly how stupid your analogy is. Sorry everyone else for being so crass.
So Israel is demanding that Tlaib perform sex acts in order to visit her grandmother?
 

brandonbull

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Her grandmother may pass without them seeing each other. The easy choice would have been to do whatever Israel wanted and see her grandmother. She made a very unselfish choice, to put the needs of those Palestinians, her beliefs above her very understandably human desires... that is strength. I think Tlaib's tweet quoting Desmond Tutu put it best.

I think Tlaib's tweet put it best.
"I am not interested in picking up crumbs of compassion thrown from the table of someone who considers himself my master. I want the full menu of rights." Desmond Tutu
Considering Tlaib is an American seeking permission to visit another country, I don't see where the breadcrumbs from "master" is coming from
 

thraashman

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Not all Nazis are leftists, but all leftists act like Nazis. This game is fun.
First, not a game he simply posted something factual.
Second, Nazism is a form of fascism. Fascism is a far right wing political concept. Therefore NO left leaning individuals are fascist or Nazis and NO Nazis or fascists are leftist.
Third, there's this concept called multi quote so you don't have to post 5 posts in a row just to get your post count up.
Fourth, you're an idiot.
 
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Not all Nazis are leftists, but all leftists act like Nazis. This game is fun.

Says literally a right wing fascist supporter that constantly goes out of their way to defend actual Nazis. But your kindergarten level "I know you are but what am I" level of discourse has been thoroughly noted on here. It can be amusing how you put on your clownsuit and pretend you're making points that aren't refuted simply by the language you're using.

So how's your rapemetrics going?
 

brandonbull

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Says literally a right wing fascist supporter that constantly goes out of their way to defend actual Nazis. But your kindergarten level "I know you are but what am I" level of discourse has been thoroughly noted on here. It can be amusing how you put on your clownsuit and pretend you're making points that aren't refuted simply by the language you're using.

So how's your rapemetrics going?
You again. So are we back to making unfounded defamatory claims about rape and supporting Nazis? What is your deal with rape and weird word games? For the last time, stop trying to troll me to see if I'm into rape and/or neo-nazis. I think you have your TOR browser pointed to the wrong site.
 

JEDIYoda

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You again. So are we back to making unfounded defamatory claims about rape and supporting Nazis? What is your deal with rape and weird word games? For the last time, stop trying to troll me to see if I'm into rape and/or neo-nazis. I think you have your TOR browser pointed to the wrong site.
The Truth hurts,huh
 

Starbuck1975

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You don't even see that your question comes from a very privileged place. What is the intent of any other Congress person when they go to Israel? Does anyone ever ask if their intent is to see their family member? Please reread Desmund Tutu's quote.
The only person approaching this with a sense of privilege is Tlaib. She represents Michigan, not Palestine. As a Congresswoman she “may” have a legitimate reason to visit Israel, and Israel as a sovereign nation has a right to deny political grandstanding from a politician seeking social media moments instead of solutions. I read the quote. Tlaib is ordering off the wrong menu.
 

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banning them play right into the boycott movement, not a smart move on the isrealis part if the they really want to counter the boycotts.

it just adds fuel to the fire.
 

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The only person approaching this with a sense of privilege is Tlaib. She represents Michigan, not Palestine. As a Congresswoman she “may” have a legitimate reason to visit Israel, and Israel as a sovereign nation has a right to deny political grandstanding from a politician seeking social media moments instead of solutions. I read the quote. Tlaib is ordering off the wrong menu.

You are right a sovereign state has the right to do anything they please. But how sovereign can a state be that accepts billions of aid from another country? If this was any another country, I'm sure you'd be the first to make the argument that a prerequisite of that aid should be allowing in the duly elected leaders of that country. Lastly, if Israel isn't an apartheid state, how can they determine who visits the Palestinians? Tlaib is a child of Palestinians, where is her right to go back to her parents home? Lastly, do you think it is appropriate that the Israeli government gets to determine what politicians speak for the Palestinian people or visit the Palestinians? Yes, Yes, Tlaib is definitely privileged. Like all things, in this new era of ours. The racists call those who call them racists, racist and the privileged call those who call them privileged, privileged. I'm sure any Isreeli would exchange their privileges with hers any day... lol
 

Starbuck1975

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You are right a sovereign state has the right to do anything they please. But how sovereign can a state be that accepts billions of aid from another country? If this was any another country, I'm sure you'd be the first to make the argument that a prerequisite of that aid should be allowing in the duly elected leaders of that country. Lastly, if Israel isn't an apartheid state, how can they determine who visits the Palestinians? Tlaib is a child of Palestinians, where is her right to go back to her parents home? Lastly, do you think it is appropriate that the Israeli government gets to determine what politicians speak for the Palestinian people or visit the Palestinians? Yes, Yes, Tlaib is definitely privileged. Like all things, in this new era of ours. The racists call those who call them racists, racist and the privileged call those who call them privileged, privileged. I'm sure any Isreeli would exchange their privileges with hers any day... lol
The billions of dollars in aid that Israel receives may have certain caveats, but Palestine is not one of them. She can go back to her parents’ home at any time. As an elected representative of our government, she should also be mindful of our foreign policy. Last I checked, America from a diplomatic standpoint does not support boycotts of Israel. She will have to find another venue for a photo opp.
 

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The only person approaching this with a sense of privilege is Tlaib. She represents Michigan, not Palestine. As a Congresswoman she “may” have a legitimate reason to visit Israel, and Israel as a sovereign nation has a right to deny political grandstanding from a politician seeking social media moments instead of solutions. I read the quote. Tlaib is ordering off the wrong menu.

Again though, the issue here is the president of the United States siding with a foreign power against our elected representatives. This is utterly unacceptable.

Israel can deny entry to anyone it wants and I understand its desire to hide the fact that it's an apartheid ethnostate because that's super embarrassing! That doesn't mean the US government should endorse it though.
 

emperus

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The billions of dollars in aid that Israel receives may have certain caveats, but Palestine is not one of them. She can go back to her parents’ home at any time. As an elected representative of our government, she should also be mindful of our foreign policy. Last I checked, America from a diplomatic standpoint does not support boycotts of Israel. She will have to find another venue for a photo opp.

1.) How can she go back to her parents/family home in Palestine? Please explain.
2.) Why is Palestine not one of the caveats? What do you think are appropriate caveats when a nation accepts billions of dollars from us? Please explain.
3.) What is "our" Foreign Policy. Who determines this foreign policy? Where is is it enshrined (written)? Please explain.
 

Starbuck1975

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Again though, the issue here is the president of the United States siding with a foreign power against our elected representatives. This is utterly unacceptable.
Israel is an ally to the United States. The President sided with an ally in opposition to an elected representative with her own personal agenda.

Israel can deny entry to anyone it wants and I understand its desire to hide the fact that it's an apartheid ethnostate because that's super embarrassing! That doesn't mean the US government should endorse it though.
Apartheid ethnostate seems to be the latest buzzword, sounds catchy on social media, but how is the Israel of today any different than the one that emerged after Israel thwarted attempts by their neighbors to push them into the sea?
 
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Starbuck1975

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1.) How can she go back to her parents/family home in Palestine? Please explain.
Plane is probably most efficient, boat if she likes cruises

2.) Why is Palestine not one of the caveats? What do you think are appropriate caveats when a nation accepts billions of dollars from us? Please explain.
Because our government has never pushed for the creation of a sovereign Palestinian state, and the two-state solution as an interim compromise never worked.

3.) What is "our" Foreign Policy. Who determines this foreign policy? Where is is it enshrined (written)? Please explain.
Presidents, advisors, the State Department, the CIA, the Pentagon. Different departments under State and DoD actually write extensive white papers on different regions and countries that serve as foreign policy playbooks. I expect neither Trump nor Tleib have read many of them. They’s too busy screwing around on Twitter.
 

fskimospy

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Israel is an ally to the United States. The President sided with an ally in opposition to an elected representative with her own personal agenda.

Exactly, the president sided with a foreign nation over members of the US government because they say mean things about him. Israel has the right and the ability to exclude anyone they want from their territory. Trump could have either said nothing or simply recognized their right to do that. Instead, he personally goaded Israel's government into excluding members of the US government. I mean can you imagine any president ever coming out and telling another country that they should refuse entry to members of a coequal branch of the US government?

Honestly this is another good reason to open an impeachment inquiry all by itself. The amount of shame Trump has brought on the office just gets worse every day.

Apartheid ethnostate seems to be the latest buzzword, but how is the Israel of today any different than the one that emerged after Israel thwarted attempts by their neighbors to push them into the sea?

It's not the latest buzzword, Israel has been referred to as an apartheid state for decades now because... well... it is. I honestly don't know why people keep disputing this other than they don't want to acknowledge a policy with such a shameful history is being pursued by a country they want to side with.

As for how its different well just look at the West Bank and Gaza, which have been converted into de facto concentration camps.
 

Starbuck1975

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Exactly, the president sided with a foreign nation over members of the US government because they say mean things about him.
I would counter that a member of the US government failed to differentiate her personal politics from her official duties.

Israel has the right and the ability to exclude anyone they want from their territory. Trump could have either said nothing or simply recognized their right to do that. Instead, he personally goaded Israel's government into excluding members of the US government. I mean can you imagine any president ever coming out and telling another country that they should refuse entry to members of a coequal branch of the US government?
Not surprising from Trump, but could you imagine Hamilton and Jefferson in the age of Twitter. It’s not unprecedented, Trump just dials it to 11.

Honestly this is another good reason to open an impeachment inquiry all by itself. The amount of shame Trump has brought on the office just gets worse every day.
Yet Tlaib will probably help him secure a second term.

It's not the latest buzzword, Israel has been referred to as an apartheid state for decades now because... well... it is. I honestly don't know why people keep disputing this other than they don't want to acknowledge a policy with such a shameful history is being pursued by a country they want to side with.

As for how its different well just look at the West Bank and Gaza, which have been converted into de facto concentration camps.
It became fashionable in the 90s to criticize Israel while completely ignoring the chain of events that led to the Palestinian predicament. The UK, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq and Syria shoulder far more blame than Israel.