ISP's propose to take control of your content

[Rubycon]

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I'm very used to this but I know this will probably affect a lot of people!

 

[IGBT]

..surprised they waited this long. may free up band width in some places.

 

[maxster]

No. I oppose it.

 

[imported_Baloo]

What they propose to do is curently illegal. Note that this was a discussion that did not involve any government agencies nor politicians. They can talk for now, but they cannot do any such filtering without risk of fines and what-not without changes in law at the federal level. Pay attention to the FCC investigation of comcast's recent activities.

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: Baloo
What they propose to do is curently illegal. Note that this was a discussion that did not involve any government agencies nor politicians. They can talk for now, but they cannot do any such filtering without risk of fines and what-not without changes in law at the federal level. Pay attention to the FCC investigation of comcast's recent activities.

keyword: currently

these guys will reign in all of the policymakers in their pocket to pass whatever they need to.

 

[JasonCoder]

And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

So basically with this, doesn't that mean torrents will be pretty much obsolete?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Originally posted by: Baloo
What they propose to do is curently illegal. Note that this was a discussion that did not involve any government agencies nor politicians. They can talk for now, but they cannot do any such filtering without risk of fines and what-not without changes in law at the federal level. Pay attention to the FCC investigation of comcast's recent activities.

keyword: currently

these guys will reign in all of the policymakers in their pocket to pass whatever they need to.

Yet, once it happens, and they spend billions of dollars on it, we will probally figure out a way around it in the end. The casual users "mom and pop" who log on and dl songs are going to be the only ones really shut out. (though perhaps they make up the biggest percentage?)

 

[George P Burdell]

Seeing as how the ISPs can grease the wheels in Washington and the common man can't, I guess this was bound to happen sooner or later.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

The winnar

 

[Loop2kil]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

The winnar

for a premium in price I would think, but yeah, I could see this being the way things go.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
So basically with this, doesn't that mean torrents will be pretty much obsolete?

the answer is encryption

 

[CptCrunch]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
So basically with this, doesn't that mean torrents will be pretty much obsolete?

the answer is encryption

QFT. Just make sure you re-route it!

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: CptCrunch

Originally posted by: Czar
the answer is encryption

QFT. Just make sure you re-route it!

Don't forget to open a socket and install a Phoenix firewall.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

The winnar

Not really, you can be sure that if they go down this road they will make sure they buy off enough of the 535 whores in Washington to pass a DMCA type law making it illegal to offer such "unfettered access".

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

How though?

If filtering is employed at higher level routers wouldn't it just fail along the way? Some are saying encryption isn't the solution either because they will require signing of the application. I'm not a big network person. Perhaps Spidey07 could fill us in.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

How though?

If filtering is employed at higher level routers wouldn't it just fail along the way? Some are saying encryption isn't the solution either because they will require signing of the application. I'm not a big network person. Perhaps Spidey07 could fill us in.

If it's transported across the major tier one providers then they can filter it. So it doesn't matter if somebody started another ISP, to get full reachability they're going to HAVE to connect to these providers or traverse them somehow.

As much as I hate P2P, I really don't want providers doing any content filtering. But the technology does exist or is being developed that specifically addresses illegal P2P activities. It's a huge concern for providers just from all the traffic.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

All I have to say is Welcome to Communist China. Where the internet filters YOU!

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
All I have to say is Welcome to Communist China. Where the internet filters YOU!

You mean "Fascist China", right? The fact that they're communists has very little if anything to do with the authoritarian nature of their government. Just making sure that you understand that "communism" is an economic system, not a government type.

That being said, they can control my content over my dead body.

 

[Anubis]

woundered when this was gonna come, i have faith tho that it wont happen

 

[JasonCoder]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
And as soon as they do that someone will come along and advertise "Unfettered access to teh intarwebz" and get a lot of people to switch.

The winnar

Not really, you can be sure that if they go down this road they will make sure they buy off enough of the 535 whores in Washington to pass a DMCA type law making it illegal to offer such "unfettered access".

True, but that's a bigger step than just allowing someone to filter. To then require that filtering be in place is another big step.

 

[I Saw OJ]

I dont pirate music or anything off the internet but I dont like this idea one bit. First its "copyrighted" materal now, but when will it stop?

 

[Judgement]

My biggest concern is the filter will end up like 'smart filters' many companies have in place on their networks... a ton of stuff that shouldn't necessarily get blocked ends up being unaccessible.

 

[polm]

wonder if/when they will ever target NTP or NTPS ?

 

[MotF Bane]

So, is there anything we can actually do? Anybody to send slews of letters to? (Horrible grammar, pardon me.)