Isn't the law a reflection of what people believe and don't people have a right to make them?

[Moonbeam]

A tremendous amount of energy goes into bashing the government laws, policies, programs, etc. ...that to secure these ends governments are instituted among men.. The will of the people and all that. What's the beef? When a consensus has been reach isn't it elitist not to go along with it? Where do we get the notion that we know better than the the majority? Isn't our point of view based on what we see as human nature and with all the sujectivity we are subject (hehe) shouldn't we be thankful that we have a broad spectrum of opinion to draw from? Or is government just an average of self interest and how much persuasion you're able to buy? Do we Americans have the best compromise for securing our inalienable rights? If so what's the beef?

 

[Pretender]

<< When a consensus has been reach isn't it elitist not to go along with it? >>

WE didn't create laws, politicians did.

What do politicians do? They make false promises to many stupid people to get into office.

We didn't vote nor ask for these laws. Stupid people belieivng stupid promises did.

 

[syzygy]

there is rarely a concensus on any legislative reforms that seek to introduce new laws to curb
the ever growing inventory of naughty behaviors.

however one describes the supposed wisdom that in the best of moments shoots down well-intentioned but ill-conceived reforms, and in the worst allows good intentions to blight
common sense with dumb laws, we have jelly-spined politicians who pander to voguish hysteria
or fashionable public opinion and cynically champion legislation that will win them one or
two additional percentage points come election day.

a 'broad spectrum of opinion' is a poisoned pond. nothing exists there but countless opinions
all alike in tone and all bereft of substance. the average person normally does not know, does
not care, and would prefer to revel in their blissful apathy than educate him or herself on
any of the issues. and when we speak of education, it should not mean a seasonal interest that
entails sitting in front of the idiot box to gauge the politician's manufactured look.

if not for the secret intellectual elite buried deep undeground washington or ferreted away
in some mountain bunker in north dakota, our politicians would be rudderless, governed by
their base instincts, and slaves to the common man. no, the people who rule do so quietly
and, for all practical awareness, invisibly.

i promise to slither away now

 

[Moonbeam]

syz, it's a relief to see that not all our locations are public knowledge.

 

[ElFenix]

the majority is generally ignorant with regard to politics, and would rather government keep out of their way for the most part. but getting away from the majority... who says laws here are ever made by politicians chosen by the majority? regardless of which way the chad would have fallen in the recounts, the current president would still have been elected by only ~25% of the electorate!

and a lot of the bickering comes from democracy's flaws as a choice mechanism, a mechanism which rarely leads to optimal social welfare. plus the compromising game that is politics.

 

[Cyberian]

<< WE didn't create laws, politicians did.
>>



And just how did these politicians come to be the ones in power?



<< regardless of which way the chad would have fallen in the recounts, the current president would still have been elected by only ~25% of the electorate!
>>



Whose fault is this?


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