Isn't punishment for harming an individual enough of a deterrent?

[Anarchist420]

Isn't it? I'm against the death penalty, but given the choice between having the law/courts legalize anything which doesn't involve a victim vs. making distinction between manslaughter/first/second-degree murder, I'd take the former any and every day of week.

Why don't we put the individual before the state? I don't know why so many people don't realize that the state is just trying to endanger us with shit like traffic regulations.

Society hasn't proven any safer by making crimes out of situations not involving a victim.

I just think it's stupid as shit that you can get more time in prison for driving drunk and not killing anyone, than you can for driving drunk and killing someone. You can just get a slap on the wrist for manslaughter, yet you get thrown in jail for 3 years for a 3rd victimless DUI offense. Someone I knew mortally wounded someone while driving drunk 2 years ago (he refused to blow, so they couldn't convict him of DUI), and they still aren't serving time, and they may never serve time (other than when the little cocksucking bitch was detained about a week), yet another person I know went to jail for 3 years after his 3rd DUI offense.

I mean, if they put someone who went to jail for DUI without killing someone in jail for three years, and they don't have room for a killer in jail, then they just need to hang the killer. That would be putting the victim before the state.

 

[Corn]

Your anecdotal story stinks of bullshit. You can refuse a roadside breath test, but if there is suspiscion of drunk driving, I'm pretty sure the state can compel you to give blood for testing, especially in an accident resulting in a fatality.

Regardless, your other friend is a menace to society and it is good that he's behind bars for a very long time. That asshole is getting what he deserves, fuck him. You really know some fucking losers.

 

[woolfe9999]

I call shens on the alleged "three years" on a third offense. OP is either misinformed or full of it. In California the usual penalty for 3rd offense is in the neighborhood of 50 days in county, can be less than that. 4th offense is wobbler but likely a felony charge and typically 1-1.5 years. California has some of the stiffer penalties.

- wolf

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Roasting in an Anarchist420 head.

 

[First]

No serious replies to this guy's threads are necessary when this dolt has literally admitted to being admitted by doctors who put him on a slew of various medicines. No, really. The OP just happens to have access to the Internet.

Though I suppose it's fitting he's a libertarian, lol.

 

[Anarchist420]

I call shens on the alleged "three years" on a third offense. OP is either misinformed or full of it. In California the usual penalty for 3rd offense is in the neighborhood of 50 days in county, can be less than that. 4th offense is wobbler but likely a felony charge and typically 1-1.5 years. California has some of the stiffer penalties.

- wolf

The guy who killed someone went to jail for 5 years, I found out late yesterday (he just recently got put in the clink though, and he only got 5 years) and the guy who got 3 years for a 3rd DUI offense was a long time ago; he may have done something else, I don't really know the whole story.

@ Corn: His lawyers got the DUI charge dropped because he refused to take the breathalyzer. I guess they figured since he killed someone, they didn't need to charge him with DUI, which I agree with. What I don't agree with is that he only got 5 years. He should've got at least 15 before parole.

 

[DaveSimmons]

... he may have done something else, I don't really know the whole story. ...

... I guess ....

In other words, you posted without knowing the full story about either anecdote, but think we should accept them as evidence to support your viewpoint.