Isn't it Ironic?

[Goosemaster]

With all the commotion about the DCMA, the Patriot Act and quite a few other regulations, I would assume people would stick to their guns. All these regulations in some form or another remove a little bit of privacy for every internet user, and people are right to object.

Yet, when google, a company synomymous with searching, offers a free 1GB-capable Email service, everyone couldn't be happier, even though it is quite clear that google will scan every email you send through them.

People fight for their privacy when it costs them money, but will accept an end to their inherent privacy for free?


Isn't it ironic...?..then again, it's not.

 

[GarlicBreath]

Its one thing to voluntarily grant access to certain information to another individual. Its another thing entirely for the government to take it from you without your consent.

 

[DWW]

If people are accepting Google's terms, what may I ask, is wrong?

I don't know. Its like Winamp users who complain after finding out the default setting was to log usage statistics even though its clearly in the installation as a checkbox.

BTW it is DMCA not DCMA

Face it you have no privacy. I don't know why people are getting too worked up. Especially when company A sells information about you to company B without your "consent". People get -really- worked up over that. They think it is "their's" but thats wrong. It is information ABOUT you but it doesn't BELONG to you. You can't "own" it and nor should you be able to.

Bleh no one will agree with me but who cares.

 

[Queasy]

I don't want Google's targeted advertising thank you. Especially if it is like the targeted advertising with their search engine. I was looking for replacement swings for my son's swingset the other day and typed in "swings" in the search engine and the targeted advertising gave back links to things "SWINGERS XXX" and "MEET SWINGERS IN YOUR AREA".

Uhhhh. No.

 

[Lithium381]

Originally posted by: DWW
If people are accepting Google's terms, what may I ask, is wrong?

I don't know. Its like Winamp users who complain after finding out the default setting was to log usage statistics even though its clearly in the installation as a checkbox.

BTW it is DMCA not DCMA

Face it you have no privacy. I don't know why people are getting too worked up. Especially when company A sells information about you to company B without your "consent". People get -really- worked up over that. They think it is "their's" but thats wrong. It is information ABOUT you but it doesn't BELONG to you. You can't "own" it and nor should you be able to.

Bleh no one will agree with me but who cares.

i understand what you're saying, not sure if i agree with you, though i don't disagree....

 

[EmperorOfIceCream]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
With all the commotion about the DCMA, the Patriot Act and quite a few other regulations, I would assume people would stick to their guns. All these regulations in some form or another remove a little bit of privacy for every internet user, and people are right to object.

Yet, when google, a company synomymous with searching, offers a free 1GB-capable Email service, everyone couldn't be happier, even though it is quite clear that google will scan every email you send through them.

People fight for their privacy when it costs them money, but will accept an end to their inherent privacy for free?


Isn't it ironic...?..then again, it's not.

Don't you realize that most peoples emails are alrady scanned by their ISP in order to do spam filtering?

The HUGE problem I see with Gmail is that google will be using other peoples intellectual property to make a profit. As part of my business, I have a newsletter with 27,000+ subscribers - I give them valuable information while at the same time offering related products and services. If google has its way - they will use the free valuable information in my newsletter's to find targetted ads that directly compete with me. Basically, they would make money from my work. THis is why many businesses are refusing to accept email from Gmail flat out. I hope Gmail fails, and fails miserably. I want to make money, and I don't want google stealing my work without my permission in order to make money.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: GarlicBreath
Its one thing to voluntarily grant access to certain information to another individual. Its another thing entirely for the government to take it from you without your consent.

I agree, but my "quarrel" is not with google. I am merely pointing out that people's opinions are literally reveresed when things are free.

I honestly plan on getting google mail.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: GarlicBreath
Its one thing to voluntarily grant access to certain information to another individual. Its another thing entirely for the government to take it from you without your consent.

I agree, but my "quarrel" is not with google. I am merely pointing out that people's opinions are literally reveresed when things are free.

I honestly plan on getting google mail.

It isn't reversed. They are totally seperate issues.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: EmperorOfIceCream

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
With all the commotion about the DCMA, the Patriot Act and quite a few other regulations, I would assume people would stick to their guns. All these regulations in some form or another remove a little bit of privacy for every internet user, and people are right to object.

Yet, when google, a company synomymous with searching, offers a free 1GB-capable Email service, everyone couldn't be happier, even though it is quite clear that google will scan every email you send through them.

People fight for their privacy when it costs them money, but will accept an end to their inherent privacy for free?


Isn't it ironic...?..then again, it's not.

Don't you realize that most peoples emails are alrady scanned by their ISP in order to do spam filtering?

The HUGE problem I see with Gmail is that google will be using other peoples intellectual property to make a profit. As part of my business, I have a newsletter with 27,000+ subscribers - I give them valuable information while at the same time offering related products and services. If google has its way - they will use the free valuable information in my newsletter's to find targetted ads that directly compete with me. Basically, they would make money from my work. THis is why many businesses are refusing to accept email from Gmail flat out. I hope Gmail fails, and fails miserably. I want to make money, and I don't want google stealing my work without my permission in order to make money.

That's going on a tangent from my initial post, but I agree with you 100% as it is also a very important topic of disscussion(for another time ). This "targeted" advertising is not perfect. I do not feel that I will suffer from it, but you will.

In detail, my argument is this:

The resiliance-to-accpet that many people exhibit in the presence of privacy-reducing goods and or services deminishes greatly or fully when presented with a free good and or service.

As a society, we have willingly accepted license agreements in return for free products and or services spyware anyone?). This is obviously a deeper problem than I have disscussed, whereby a "treat" is held before our eyes in order to woo us to agree to some normally undesired action.


Basically, I am pointing out a weakness many people exhibit, and how it relates to our lives today.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: DWW

Face it you have no privacy. I don't know why people are getting too worked up. Especially when company A sells information about you to company B without your "consent". People get -really- worked up over that. They think it is "their's" but thats wrong. It is information ABOUT you but it doesn't BELONG to you. You can't "own" it and nor should you be able to.

Bleh no one will agree with me but who cares.

0.o This sounds like what spyware writers might tell themselves in order to get to sleep at night :\

 

[DWW]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: EmperorOfIceCream

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
With all the commotion about the DCMA, the Patriot Act and quite a few other regulations, I would assume people would stick to their guns. All these regulations in some form or another remove a little bit of privacy for every internet user, and people are right to object.

Yet, when google, a company synomymous with searching, offers a free 1GB-capable Email service, everyone couldn't be happier, even though it is quite clear that google will scan every email you send through them.

People fight for their privacy when it costs them money, but will accept an end to their inherent privacy for free?


Isn't it ironic...?..then again, it's not.

Don't you realize that most peoples emails are alrady scanned by their ISP in order to do spam filtering?

The HUGE problem I see with Gmail is that google will be using other peoples intellectual property to make a profit. As part of my business, I have a newsletter with 27,000+ subscribers - I give them valuable information while at the same time offering related products and services. If google has its way - they will use the free valuable information in my newsletter's to find targetted ads that directly compete with me. Basically, they would make money from my work. THis is why many businesses are refusing to accept email from Gmail flat out. I hope Gmail fails, and fails miserably. I want to make money, and I don't want google stealing my work without my permission in order to make money.

That's going on a tangent from my initial post, but I agree with you 100% as it is also a very important topic of disscussion(for another time ). This "targeted" advertising is not perfect. I do not feel that I will suffer from it, but you will.

In detail, my argument is this:

The resiliance-to-accpet that many people exhibit in the presence of privacy-reducing goods and or services deminishes greatly or fully when presented with a free good and or service.

As a society, we have willingly accepted license agreements in return for free products and or services spyware anyone?). This is obviously a deeper problem than I have disscussed, whereby a "treat" is held before our eyes in order to woo us to agree to some normally undesired action.


Basically, I am pointing out a weakness many people exhibit, and how it relates to our lives today.

I'll bet you that 95% of the population who install free products and services on their computer don't exactly know what spyware is to begin with. They just think its "that thing that pops up with great deals but i dont like to shop online and its annoying". They don't fully understand it tracks habits and whatnot.

I think a lot of the rest of the people just flat out don't -care- about their privacy. You know its already being shared by everyone but you so what does it matter if you let a few more out of the bag. I wouldn't personally care if big corp xyz knew my shopping habbits and tried direct marketing targetting that to me in the mail. If they knew my best friend's name or my girlfriend's underwear colour--something more personal then I might begin to care.

 

[DWW]

Heh not quite I don't write spyware nor buy/share/sell peoples info. I've just got no reason to worry about my information getting passed around. I'm not going to play the "I'm not a convict and have nothing to hide, neither should you" card but that is how I look at it for -myself-.

I don't own the combination of my name and address. These are just letters and numbers. Think about it like software piracy. It isn't theft because there was no deprivation. I am not deprived of my name or my address. (I also believe patents on mathematically based algorithms are bad because math belongs to everyone and no one at the same time. It is universal and just "exists" as a law of the universe.)

If you give a company information, I think it is fair game for them to spread it around. If you order a playstation from Amazon.com, then I think amazon.com has full right to go tell Sony that you might be interested in an upcoming gaming event near your area.

 

[kermalou]

listen you dont have to sign up for their service, it's your choice.

what freedom is that violating?

you want their service, you play by their rules.

 

[Dufman]

If google wants to flood its own e-mail servers with a ton of spam mail to increase revenue, that is fine with me. As long as i can set up the e-mail in outlook and have my software detect and remove spam before i see it.