Isn't it about time Nvidia/MS fix the 2k/XP refresh rate issue?

[dukdukgoos]

This has been an issue since the first Win2k drivers, and here it is 2002 and it STILL hasn't been resolved. The refresh rate fix is just a hack that eliminates all but one refresh rate choices, and prevents the cards from working properly with TV out (or so I've been told). This issue can't be that big a deal to fix, right? It was never a problem with Win9x OSs, so can't MS and Nvidia get together and resolve it? Sheesh!! :|:disgust::frown:

 

[MCS]

Agreed! Sort it out Nvidia!!

 

[$pade]

i just installed that rvres fix utility and was thinking the exact same thing...why hasn't this been fixed yet???

 

[MikeD83]

What is exciting about the Geforce 4 is that it will be the first Nvidia graphics card to feature dual RAMDACs. Which should help out the refresh situation. (Especially for TV-out people)
- Mike

 

[Oyeve]

I think Nvidia, like most companies, dont want to develop anything for win2000. Win2000 is not a viable OS and most home people either have win9x or winxp. Win2k is basically dead in the "enthusiast" market. Only in the business area is win2k worthwhile for companies to develop drivers and such and lets face it, what office splurges on geforce cards for employees desktops?

 

[tboo]

Doesnt the same issue exist in WinXP as well?

 

[dukdukgoos]

WinXP DOES have the refresh rate issue, and that's really the point. It sort of made sense when it was a Win2k issue, Win2k being a business/savvy user OS. But WinXP is for the masses, and there's no way your average "Dude, I'm getting a Dell!" user is going to download and apply the refresh rate fix (that doesn't really work anyway.) They NEED to fix this!!! With all the driver updates Nvidia does, there no excuse. The only thing I can think is it's something fundamentally flawed in the NT 5 kernel and can't be fixed without major MS intervention.

 

[ALstonLoong]

Does anyone have a geforce4 install on winxp ? do you still have refresh rate problem ?

Well ,the refresh rate problem is not just come from nvidia .....i think ati having the same issue in win2k or xp too. SO maybe this problem is cause by MS OS not just videocard company. I think they really have to sit down together to solve this problem which keep Us for years !

 

[thorin]

"This issue can't be that big a deal to fix, right?"

You must be right, they should hire you for their driver team since your so smart and have soooo much time on your hands. Or wait even better yet perhaps you should hack together some drivers from scratch and just not even bother with nVidia's drivers.

Thorin

 

[Budman]

Nvidia cant fix it because the issue is a Windows2000/XP problem NOT nvidia or ATi or.....

The refresh rate defaulting to 60HZ in most games in a 2000/XP issue, in Win9X it has an OPTIMAL setting & it uses that to adjust the HZ,Win2k/xp doesnt have that.

Until MS patches the OS to allow this setting all video cards will have this issue.


The only sure way i found to fix that on my pc be it Nvidia or ATI was to make my own Monitor INF file & modify it to add 85HZ as the lowest my monitor can go.

This way when i change resolution (games) it stays at 85hz no matter what,it's a bit like going into DXDIAG advanced setting & setting the ovveride option but that only worked in D3D games,editing my monitor INF fixes that.

 

[zzzz]

Agree with Budman, its not a nvidia issue. I have seen it on Kyro2 and ati radeon as well..
I use power strip to set my refresh rate to 85 hz.

 

[dukdukgoos]

<< they should hire you for their driver team since your so smart and have soooo much time on your hands. Or wait even better yet perhaps you should hack together some drivers from scratch and just not even bother with nVidia's drivers. >>



Thank you for your helpful and mature comment

<< The refresh rate defaulting to 60HZ in most games in a 2000/XP issue, in Win9X it has an OPTIMAL setting & it uses that to adjust the HZ,Win2k/xp doesnt have that. >>



Okay, so it's an MS issue...they should fix it! They know how to do it...they did it for Win9x...and they should've done it for WinXP's release. The least they can do is get it into the first service pack.



<< The only sure way i found to fix that on my pc be it Nvidia or ATI was to make my own Monitor INF file & modify it to add 85HZ as the lowest my monitor can go. >>



Good idea, but that doesn't fix the issue with TV out, which needs to be at 60hz.

 

[Budman]

<< Good idea, but that doesn't fix the issue with TV out, which needs to be at 60hz. >>



Yes it does, as your TV out just select GENERIC TV as the driver.

 

[dukdukgoos]

OK, cool Budman, thanks!

 

[Leon]

Here is your refresh fix. Works with any driver version. Just edit .ini file

Leon

 

[BFG10K]

It's not a problem with the drivers or the OS, it's just the way the OS works. Unless 2000/XP is specifically told what refresh rate to use it'll always drop back to a safe 60 Hz. There are a number of unnofficial fixes for the issue but none of the vendors wants to do it officially, probably by recommendation by Microsoft because they don't want drivers to force potentially incorrect refresh rates.

 

[thorin]

<< they should hire you for their driver team since your so smart and have soooo much time on your hands. Or wait even better yet perhaps you should hack together some drivers from scratch and just not even bother with nVidia's drivers. >>



> Thank you for your helpful and mature comment

You missed my point completely. (Not surprising). You start a thread ranting and raving about something you barely understand (as half the people here have had to explain the issue to you), and don't even make any suggestions on how to have MS (NOT nVidia) fix the 'issue'. Next time you want to slam something perhaps you should understand it first, and then come up with a solution (petition, etc... IDGAF)

Thorin

 

[Vernor]

They haven't even fixed the underscan problems , and that's been around since forever.

 

[Epsil0n00]

Sorry for the naivety, but I am just setting up my new XP machine with a GF3Ti200 and would like to know what this problem with refresh rates is. Is there a thread that explains it in more detail and talks about the possible fixes? Any info on this would be highly appreciated. Thanks!

Epsil0n

 

[Drysdale]

Yea, me too. I just installed WinXP Pro and I have the ability to change the refresh rate just like I did with Win 98 on my GeForce 2 GTS using the latest drivers from Nvidia. I'm running at 85 right now. Are you telling me even though I can change my refresh rate settings, WinXP is still defaulting to 60? I'm confused.....

 

[dukdukgoos]

Thorin, it's not my job to "understand" the issue, that's what the software engineers at MS and Nvidia get paid to do. Is it the users' responsibility to understand why something is broken and tell the software companies how to fix it? No. So keep your asinine thread-crapping comments to yourself next time, Weenie Boy.

 

[zzzz]

<< Yea, me too. I just installed WinXP Pro and I have the ability to change the refresh rate just like I did with Win 98 on my GeForce 2 GTS using the latest drivers from Nvidia. I'm running at 85 right now. Are you telling me even though I can change my refresh rate settings, WinXP is still defaulting to 60? I'm confused..... >>


If you start a game, then it will start at 60Hz.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

I also can't quite understand why MS hasn't fixed this issue...
or nVidia... all nVidia has to do is incorporate a refresh fix similar to the ones out there into thier drivers.

 

[kgraeme]

The reason why is simple. Because people continue to buy NVIDIA cards in droves. Heck, even the GF4 is selling for hotcakes at $400. So while some people might complain a little, there hasn't been enough of a problem to keep people from buying, which is all that matters.

 

[dukdukgoos]

Yeah, like zzzz said, if you start a program (doesn't necessarily have to be a game) that changes the screen resolution, it will default to 60hz (read: headache-land). There are various hack fixes for the issue, like this one. They fix the symptoms of the problem but not the problem itself. My main point is that beginning users won't be able to apply fixes like these and so will be stuck playing games at 60hz, which pretty much bites.