Islamists attack gas plant in France, pin one victim's head to plant gates

[TastesLikeChicken]

I've said many times that some are worse.
I've pointed out Wahhabism as a source of most of the terror groups many times
Just because these Islamphobes here continue to call me an apologist doesn't make it true.
They just sort of feed off each other, believing and amplifying their myths

edit- oh and remember, even most Wahhabis are not going to go out and behead the disbelievers

Your lack of balance betrays you. "most Wahhabis?"

Most Wahhabies aren't the problem. Most Christians aren't the problem. Its the minority of both groups that are the issue and in the case of Islam their minority is far, far more radical.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

What rant?

Seriously?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Seriously?

Yeah, seriously. Show me where I 'ranted' about Jews. Call me antisemitic, then you'd better back that up bunky.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Speaking of percentages:

In the latest survey, 14 percent of respondents agreed that Jews have too much power in the United States; 30 percent said American Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the United States; and 19 percent said Jews have too much power in the business world – all figures virtually unchanged from the 2011 survey.

The percentage of respondents who believe that Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus was 26 percent, down from 31 percent in 2011. Eighteen percent said Jews have too much influence over the news media and about one-quarter agreed that Jews talk too much about the Holocaust.

The survey was released on the first day of the ADL’s two-day centennial conference being held in New York.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/186664/26-of-americans-think-jews-killed-jesus-poll-says/

Yeah, seriously. Show me where I 'ranted' about Jews. Call me antisemitic, then you'd better back that up bunky.

Here you go. Or are you saying you were backing the Jews in that previous rant?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Here you go. Or are you saying you were backing the Jews in that previous rant?

Did you bother to click on the source link? Did you bother to try and understand the context of the reply the information that I posted was part of? Certainly doesn't appear so. Not to mention, you consider a rather dispassionate listing of survey results a rant?

 

[realibrad]

Here you go. Or are you saying you were backing the Jews in that previous rant?

Lol you are going to feel pretty dumb. His post was about showing how stupid others are when asked questions. It is in response to the polls done with Muslims. He was not agreeing with it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lol you are going to feel pretty dumb. His post was about showing how stupid others are when asked questions. It is in response to the polls done with Muslims. He was not agreeing with it.

Wrong (other than the not agreeing with antisemitism part).

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Did you bother to click on the source link? Did you bother to try and understand the context of the reply the information that I posted was part of? Certainly doesn't appear so. Not to mention, you consider a rather dispassionate listing of survey results a rant?

Here is what I know:

Muslims are some of the most conservative people in the fucking world. In the ME, Jews/Israel are some of the most progressive people in that area. Yet in the US the progressives back the conservative Muslims and show disdain to the progressive Jews. It makes no fucking sense.

Personally, I back progressives wherever they are because I don't give a shit about trends or what others think. I am my own man. ymmv.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Here is what I know:

Muslims are some of the most conservative people in the fucking world. In the ME, Jews/Israel are some of the most progressive people in that area. Yet in the US the progressives back the conservative Muslims and show disdain to the progressive Jews. It makes no fucking sense.

Personally, I back progressives wherever they are because I don't give a shit about trends or what others think. I am my own man. ymmv.

Can't say anything much to "progressives" as I've never actually met one.

Just gonna leave that anti-semite charge hanging out there are ya.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Your lack of balance betrays you. "most Wahhabis?"

Most Wahhabies aren't the problem. Most Christians aren't the problem. Its the minority of both groups that are the issue and in the case of Islam their minority is far, far more radical.

My balance is fine

 

[brycejones]

the local apologists will be in this thread soon enough. Just waiting on their talking points.

You are such a twat.

This forum needs it. The left is so militant here there's no point in doing anything else.

Well as long as we have michal1980 admitting he is a twat.

 

[realibrad]

Wrong (other than the not agreeing with antisemitism part).

Wait, so the point you were making was not that, when Christians are polled, have equally stupid beliefs?

 

[Blanky]

Oh Jesus...
Now the Nazi's are getting all Grammar Nazi on me

I know you're honestly just lacking the capacity to write better (your current writing shows unequivocally you're a blue collar sort of guy), but it's not just that. It's also the fact that your numbered list, for example, made no sense. Why did "Like VG said" get its own point?

Did you bother to click on the source link? Did you bother to try and understand the context of the reply the information that I posted was part of? Certainly doesn't appear so. Not to mention, you consider a rather dispassionate listing of survey results a rant?

You're equating people who think jews have too much power to people who endorse terrorism. I can find as many who think the moon landing was faked. Except neither jews nor moon fakers are mass murdering on a daily basis.

I've pointed out Wahhabism as a source of most of the terror groups many times

This is good, it shows you're capable of learning.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

More horrifying attacks from isis.. Goddamn, I really hope we can pair up with other nations and figure out how to fight them. You're not fighting a country, you're fighting an ideology.
You can't bomb an idea.

 

[Jaskalas]

More horrifying attacks from isis.. Goddamn, I really hope we can pair up with other nations and figure out how to fight them. You're not fighting a country, you're fighting an ideology.
You can't bomb an idea.

ISIS holds territory. That territory can be bombed. Mosul can be nuked. It's not that it cannot be done, it's that we're not willing to do it. ISIS does not present itself as enough of a threat to warrant a scorched earth policy. The real question is, how much of a response and commitment DO they warrant? What SHOULD we do short of genocide?

We could start by supporting the local governments. Assad in Syria, along with Iraq and Iran.
We could do a military invasion where we cut off access to ISIS held cities, thereby allowing the local government to pick them off one by one. The militia only functions by free travel and supply - block access to that and they will fold faster than an Iraqi army.

 

[Blanky]

ISIS holds territory. That territory can be bombed. Mosul can be nuked. It's not that it cannot be done, it's that we're not willing to do it. ISIS does not present itself as enough of a threat to warrant a scorched earth policy. The real question is, how much of a response and commitment DO they warrant? What SHOULD we do short of genocide?

We could start by supporting the local governments. Assad in Syria, along with Iraq and Iran.
We could do a military invasion where we cut off access to ISIS held cities, thereby allowing the local government to pick them off one by one. The militia only functions by free travel and supply - block access to that and they will fold faster than an Iraqi army.

I would start by warning everybody from the West that if you go to the Middle East you're on your own. Go to dubai, you're almost certainly fine. Go to somewhere with known violence, don't cry to us when you get kidnapped.

Also I would bar entry to immigrants from known hot spots without a multiplication of checking on who they are before they come here. If you are from China, India, Japan, Germany nothing changes. If you are from a country with a large muslim population and/or known originator of terrorists, such as Saudi Arabia, your application for a visa necessarily receives way more attention.

The US already applies extra screening to people from certain nations and probably needs to keep it up. But it's also worth noting that the US since 911 has done a fairly good job of catching these people before they kill anyone.

 

[CZroe]

I wouldn't mind this. I was reading a BBC article today, yet another interview of a Daeshi, and like so many idiot "Muslims" he was ranting about in China you could not shave or fast for Ramadan, in France women can't wear the niqab, and in the US and UK you can't even talk about jihad. That's fucking so weaksauce, especially the US and UK.

Muslims = fucking hypocrites. I'm not talking about just Daeshi but a LARGE NUMBER of Muslims are complete and total hypocrites. Try living as a non-Muslim, or atheist, in Muslim-majority countries. Heck, try living as a minority-sect Muslim in Muslim-majority countries. In many such places you will receive far more discrimination than simply not being able to wear a niqab or talk about jihad or whatever. You can literally get beaten and killed for being the "wrong" sect of Muslim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis You are not allowed to build churches, and existing ones are often attacked and destroyed. You can't even possess a Bible in Saudi Arabia. You will be jailed, fined, beaten, and/or killed for being atheist or even SUGGESTING to reform Islam. Etc. I could go on and on but a simple Google search will tell you about all sorts of shit that happens in Muslim-Majority countries.

Even in supposedly secular and moderate Turkey: http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Persecution_of_Ex-Muslims_(Turkey)

Did you know that Islam has a fucking DEATH PENALTY for leaving the cult? And that a very large fraction of Muslims would support such a death penalty for people who convert away from Islam or go atheist? http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

Or that many Muslim-majority countries actually have "insulting Islam" as a crime? It's used as justification to do all sorts of horrible things to people who don't toe the (increasingly hardline, conservative) line. Wahhabi Islam has taken over Islam and it's a virus that needs to be stopped.

MUSLIMS WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT DISCRIMINATION IN THE WEST HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT REAL DISCRIMINATION LOOKS LIKE.

I don't agree with you about banning it but I do realize that people allow their bleeding hearts to blind them.

This video cherry-picks and misrepresents just like the surveys asking how many think Obama is a Muslim but it's still enlightening:
https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg

 

[soulcougher73]

Most definitely not.

I also don't think that Muslims in France would view these people as like minded servants. For example a quick look at opinion polling for France showed that almost 85% of Muslims there thought terror attacks could either never (64%) or rarely (19%) be justified.

I'm not saying your numbers are wrong, but I'd be skeptical of any polling that revolves around questions of terrorism,death,killing etc. my guess is your probably don't receive many honest answers given how your honest answer my be viewed on the spot.

 

[Victorian Gray]

hey Blanky, you just going to leave this statement of yours hanging out there?

"Now you throw a little antisemitism in for good measure"

 

[Orignal Earl]

I know you're honestly just lacking the capacity to write better (your current writing shows unequivocally you're a blue collar sort of guy), but it's not just that. It's also the fact that your numbered list, for example, made no sense. Why did "Like VG said" get its own point?You're equating people who think jews have too much power to people who endorse terrorism. I can find as many who think the moon landing was faked. Except neither jews nor moon fakers are mass murdering on a daily basis.This is good, it shows you're capable of learning.

All that fancy schooling you got, and here you are.
Sitting in P&N and crying about Muslims and sentence structure

You know what I would do to learn more about Islam?
I would go over to the Islamic Center and ask.
How about that Blanky, what say we both do it and post back with pics?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Can't say anything much to "progressives" as I've never actually met one.

You should get out more.

Just gonna leave that anti-semite charge hanging out there are ya.

Yup. The anti-semites in this forum have denied being such to their dying breath. But a way one can traditionally spot an anti-semite in this forum is when they start making negative posts about Jews (even if it is a veiled negativity) in a thread about Islam/Muslims. It's generally a pretty solid tell, ime, in P&N, and I have had some fairly solid experience in this place over the years. However, P&N has become particularly ugly over the past few years which is why I usually avoid it now.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You should get out more.


Yup. The anti-semites traditionally in this forum have denied being such to their dying breath. But a way one can traditionally spot an anti-semite in this forum is when they start making negative posts about Jews (even it it is a veiled negativity) in a thread about Islam/Muslims. It's generally a pretty solid tell, ime, in P&N, and I have had some fairly solid experience in this place over the years. However, it has become particularly ugly over the past few years which is why I usually avoid it now.

Ok, so you're a dishonest asshole with a reading comprehension disability.

You jumped into this thread apparently just to pick a fight. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Think whatever you want, I understand what you're doing.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Ok, so you're a dishonest asshole with a reading comprehension disability.

You jumped into this thread apparently just to pick a fight. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Think whatever you want, I understand what you're doing.

Wrong.

What I am is a belligerently honest asshole with a particularly special penchant for reading between the lines in sniffing out bullshit; and I can smell yours from a mile away. Stop trying to jerk me around. You are transparent and not anywhere as smart as you think you are.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Wrong.

What I am is a belligerently honest asshole with a particularly special penchant for reading between the lines in sniffing out bullshit; and I can smell yours from a mile away. Stop trying to jerk me around. You are transparent and not anywhere as smart as you think you are.

No matter how hard I try, nobody reads between my lines

 

[michal1980]

Wrong.



What I am is a belligerently honest asshole with a particularly special penchant for reading between the lines in sniffing out bullshit; and I can smell yours from a mile away. Stop trying to jerk me around. You are transparent and not anywhere as smart as you think you are.

That's just VGs mo. Always supporting his isis buddies while attempting plausible deniability.