Islamists attack gas plant in France, pin one victim's head to plant gates

[fskimospy]

And the other 15%?

Don't be like Earl, who comically said that "only" 17% of Muslims in Central Asia support the death penalty for going atheist or converting away from Islam. By the way that number was way higher in places like Egypt, and even supposedly moderate places like Indonesia. KSA was not polled else it would probably be like 99% there.

6% thought it could 'often' be justified. I'm willing to bet that 6% of Christians hold any number of awful beliefs. Regardless, the point is simply that while Islamic terrorism is definitely more prevalent than Christian terrorism, it's not like there aren't Christians out there doing horrible things.

The question was "where are the Christian terrorists?" to which my answer was "right over there".

 

[Blanky]

Or the clip where they lowered a cage of 5 people under water, drowning them, while using water proof go pros to film?

Um, yeah I think I will skip that one.

I also don't think that Muslims in France would view these people as like minded servants. For example a quick look at opinion polling for France showed that almost 85% of Muslims there thought terror attacks could either never (64%) or rarely (19%) be justified.

Interesting statistics. So 15% sound quite comfortable with terrorism and more than that think it's okay at certain times.

Now go find a poll of Christians and how they view people like the Lord's army, a group with a whopping 250-500 members.

I think you just made the point you didn't want to, which is that as everyone here knows (including you) there is a fundamental difference in the violence promulgated by muslims vs all other major religions, in both its essential backing in holy text and practical application (as scored by preponderance of terrorism coming from islam).

 

[fskimospy]

Um, yeah I think I will skip that one.Interesting statistics. So 15% sound quite comfortable with terrorism and more than that think it's okay at certain times.

The remainder thought it was 'sometimes' or 'often' okay. That sounds like only 6% of them are 'quite comfortable' to me. Hell, on this board I think we probably get close to about 10% of people on here who are okay with extrajudicial violence of one sort or another.

Now go find a poll of Christians and how they view people like the Lord's army, a group with a whopping 250-500 members.

It has fewer members now due to a concerted military effort by a whole bunch of neighboring governments. It was (and to some degree still is) a huge problem in the region, and its history is horrific.

I think you just made the point you didn't want to, which is that as everyone here knows (including you) there is a fundamental difference in the violence promulgated by muslims vs all other major religions, in both its essential backing in holy text and practical application (as scored by preponderance of terrorism coming from islam).

I believe that there are certainly significantly more islam based terror groups currently than those from other religions, but you're fooling yourself if you think that the Koran is fundamentally more accepting of religious violence than other Abrahamic religions. All of the foundational texts are perfectly happy with violence in the name of their god.

 

[blastingcap]

Um, yeah I think I will skip that one.Interesting statistics. So 15% sound quite comfortable with terrorism and more than that think it's okay at certain times.

Now go find a poll of Christians and how they view people like the Lord's army, a group with a whopping 250-500 members.

I think you just made the point you didn't want to, which is that as everyone here knows (including you) there is a fundamental difference in the violence promulgated by muslims vs all other major religions, in both its essential backing in holy text and practical application (as scored by preponderance of terrorism coming from islam).

Yup. For every Lord's Army he can come up with, how many Boko Harams, Daesh, Nusras, are there? Daesh ALONE has over 100,000 active members, and much more than that in terms of supporters.

Liberals need to stop playing false equivalency games about Islam and face the truth: some religions are more barbaric than others, and some are more easily reformed than others. Islam is both barbaric at its core (what else do you expect from a religion that steadfastly claims the Quran is the Word of God, and still adheres to 7th-century moral standards?) and harder to reform (anyone who even talks about different interpretations or reformation is in danger of being fined, jailed, beaten, and/or killed).

The wheels came off the Sunni Islam car after the relatively moderate Ottoman Empire fell and all that Wahhabi petroleum money flooded mosques worldwide, spewing hardline Islam. Shia Islam isn't quite as crazy and they have a religious hierarchy, so that at least you are supposed to obey the imams--unlike Sunni Islam where you any wacko nutjob can become a preacher.

 

[blastingcap]

I believe that there are certainly significantly more islam based terror groups currently than those from other religions, but you're fooling yourself if you think that the Koran is fundamentally more accepting of religious violence than other Abrahamic religions. All of the foundational texts are perfectly happy with violence in the name of their god.

More false equivalency. They all suck but some suck harder, okay? The core of Christianity for instance is all about nonviolence, sacrifice, look at the story of Jesus for instance. Turn the other cheek. He wouldn't even fight back against his persecutors.

In stark contrast look at the history of Mohammed. He preached peace when it served him and violence as his cult grew stronger.

You're naive about Islam if you are trying to equate the two as having exactly the same propensity for violence.

http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/vubyx/only_a_tiny_minority_of_extremists/

Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.
The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.
Terrorism
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ls-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06 http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
NOP Research: 24% of British Muslims deny that the four British Muslim suicide bombers carried out the 7/7 attacks; 24% of British Muslims believe the British government carried out the 7/7 attacks http://www.channel4.com/news/articl...y+government+hasnt+told+truth+about+77/545847
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq. http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children: http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/ http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html
World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans 32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans 41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans 38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans 83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose) 62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose) 42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose) A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans: (Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%) About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah 30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah 45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative) 43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative). 49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative) 49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative) 39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative) http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. 34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified. http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops. http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified. 35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall). 42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall). 22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall). 29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall). http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never). 28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never). http://www.people-press.org/2011/08...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities. 27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate. http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005 http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html
Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack. http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police. http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian Muslims Poll Nov 04/Guardian Muslims Nov04.asp http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified. 37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target". http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist
al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden
Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright. http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds). http://www.people-press.org/2011/08...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda. http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/al-jazeeras-readers-on-911-499-support-bin-laden.htm
Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003 41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007 56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003 http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-terrorism-al-qaida-islam-opinions-columnists-ilan-berman.html
Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden 54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate/ http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf
MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much...new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law. Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries; (Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%) http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America. http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/guardian-muslims-march-2004.asp http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Opinion-Polls.htm

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe you should go read the book of Revalations and see how peace loving Jesus is according to the Bible.

But yeah, thanks for the post from /r/atheism, a known place for reasoned analysis.

EDIT: I always find discussions like this funny. I think these jihadists are scumbags of the highest order. I'm much more willing to engage in police/military action to wipe them out than most people on here are. What I have a problem with is the weird anti-Islam culture war stuff that people in America and conservatives in particular try to engage in when it comes to Islam. They don't seem to realize that it's exactly the same game that radical Muslims are playing, just the other way around. When you try and point out to them that Christianity has a lot of the same gross shit in it, they freak out.

I don't care which one wins the prize for 'the worst', they both advocate for horrible things.

 

[realibrad]

6% thought it could 'often' be justified. I'm willing to bet that 6% of Christians hold any number of awful beliefs. Regardless, the point is simply that while Islamic terrorism is definitely more prevalent than Christian terrorism, it's not like there aren't Christians out there doing horrible things.

The question was "where are the Christian terrorists?" to which my answer was "right over there".

And that is what makes you different than Earl. You can at least say that Islamic terrorism is more prevalent than Christian terrorism. That one thing alone cannot lead you to which is better overall, but in the scope of terrorism you can that Islam has a bigger representation than do Christians.

A bigger question is whether or not religion is driving the difference.

I see religion and culture very much tied together and both influence each other. Religion is a buffer to culture. When cultural fads come along, religion smooths out the changes. To get something into religion is much harder than it is to get something into culture. This can be a good or bad thing depending on what is held and stored in religion.

I would argue that Islam as a religion is much harder to reform because of the inherent nature of how the religion formed.

 

[fskimospy]

And that is what makes you different than Earl. You can at least say that Islamic terrorism is more prevalent than Christian terrorism. That one thing alone cannot lead you to which is better overall, but in the scope of terrorism you can that Islam has a bigger representation than do Christians.

A bigger question is whether or not religion is driving the difference.

I see religion and culture very much tied together and both influence each other. Religion is a buffer to culture. When cultural fads come along, religion smooths out the changes. To get something into religion is much harder than it is to get something into culture. This can be a good or bad thing depending on what is held and stored in religion.

I would argue that Islam as a religion is much harder to reform because of the inherent nature of how the religion formed.

I agree it's a really hard question to determine what causes what because as you say, cultures create their religions and then the religion feeds back into the culture as a form of damping mechanism.

The Bible has tons and tons of absolutely abominable things in it but because western culture has moved past that we basically ignore them. The Koran has tons of terrible things in it too, but because Middle Eastern/South Asian culture hasn't they still embody a lot of that crap.

While most international terrorism seems to be currently related to Islamic causes this certainly wasn't always the case. (The LTTE and the LRA for two quick examples) The idea that Islam is some sort of unique cancer on the world that causes terrorism is preposterous to me.

 

[realibrad]

Maybe you should go read the book of Revalations and see how peace loving Jesus is according to the Bible.

But yeah, thanks for the post from /r/atheism, a known place for reasoned analysis.

EDIT: I always find discussions like this funny. I think these jihadists are scumbags of the highest order. I'm much more willing to engage in police/military action to wipe them out than most people on here are. What I have a problem with is the weird anti-Islam culture war stuff that people in America and conservatives in particular try to engage in when it comes to Islam. They don't seem to realize that it's exactly the same game that radical Muslims are playing, just the other way around. When you try and point out to them that Christianity has a lot of the same gross shit in it, they freak out.

I don't care which one wins the prize for 'the worst', they both advocate for horrible things.

Revelation is full of violence, but it does not advocate violence carried out by people. It says that Jesus will do the violence, but it does not justify people doing things, so its a little different. If you want to find that kind of violence, you have to go back to the old testament which is full of horrible shit on par and sometimes worse than anything in the Quran.

 

[blastingcap]

Maybe you should go read the book of Revalations and see how peace loving Jesus is according to the Bible.

But yeah, thanks for the post from /r/atheism, a known place for reasoned analysis.

EDIT: I always find discussions like this funny. I think these jihadists are scumbags of the highest order. I'm much more willing to engage in police/military action to wipe them out than most people on here are. What I have a problem with is the weird anti-Islam culture war stuff that people in America and conservatives in particular try to engage in when it comes to Islam. They don't seem to realize that it's exactly the same game that radical Muslims are playing, just the other way around. When you try and point out to them that Christianity has a lot of the same gross shit in it, they freak out.

I don't care which one wins the prize for 'the worst', they both advocate for horrible things.

You're still doing the same tired false equivalency. It's ridiculous to compare a small extremist Christian group to the vastly larger numbers of Islamic extremists. And the core message of Christianity obviously does differ, in ways you choose to ignore.

I'm not a fan of r/atheism per se but that post did include a premade list since you are staking your position on the basis of one poll. How is more information--more polls--bad?

 

[fskimospy]

You're still doing the same tired false equivalency. It's ridiculous to compare a small extremist Christian group to the vastly larger numbers of Islamic extremists. And the core message of Christianity obviously does differ, in ways you choose to ignore.

I'm not sure if you're using the term 'false equivalency' correctly. I have never said that Christianity and Islam are equal when it comes to terrorism. In fact, I've repeatedly said the exact opposite.

When people try to act like Islam is somehow this unique motivating force however, that's bullshit. Christianity not only has an incredibly bloody foundational text, but the world has seen a huge amount of horrific violence done in its name.

As realibrad said, it's an interplay between religion and culture. The west has largely dispensed with the violence of Christianity and tempered it to our culture. Other areas have not done the same with Islam.

I'm not a fan of r/atheism per se but that post did include a premade list since you are staking your position on the basis of one poll. How is more information--more polls--bad?

I'm not staking my position on the basis of one poll at all. Someone asked if I thought the average Muslim embraced this kind of action, which in the country it occurred in it's pretty clear they don't.

 

[realibrad]

I'm not sure if you're using the term 'false equivalency' correctly. I have never said that Christianity and Islam are equal when it comes to terrorism. In fact, I've repeatedly said the exact opposite.

When people try to act like Islam is somehow this unique motivating force however, that's bullshit. Christianity not only has an incredibly bloody foundational text, but the world has seen a huge amount of horrific violence done in its name.

As realibrad said, it's an interplay between religion and culture. The west has largely dispensed with the violence of Christianity and tempered it to our culture. Other areas have not done the same with Islam.



I'm not staking my position on the basis of one poll at all. Someone asked if I thought the average Muslim embraced this kind of action, which in the country it occurred in it's pretty clear they don't.

As an atheist, I believe that the religion is wrong and comes from the culture. So saying that the culture/religion is responsible for the disparity in terrorism is easy. Something about the culture and its interaction with its religion is leading to this. If we are to believe people can do good in the name of Islam, we can also believe they could do bad.

Islam is not the only source of terrorism, but it is unique in the type of terrorism and the volume it produces. Like I said before, there is a lot going on, but just looking at the data something is unique about Islam aka its culture.

 

[blastingcap]

As an atheist, I believe that the religion is wrong and comes from the culture. So saying that the culture/religion is responsible for the disparity in terrorism is easy. Something about the culture and its interaction with its religion is leading to this. If we are to believe people can do good in the name of Islam, we can also believe they could do bad.

Islam is not the only source of terrorism, but it is unique in the type of terrorism and the volume it produces. Like I said before, there is a lot going on, but just looking at the data something is unique about Islam aka its culture.

In another thread people talked about how Islam has grown more conservative over the last several decades. The question being: why?

After thinking about it, I think it's an issue of no moderating force in Sunni Islam.

If we compare Islam to a nuclear reactor, the Quran is nuclear fuel and without carbon control rods, you will eventually get a runaway chain reaction and a Daesh-like meltdown.

The Ottomans kept a lid on the crazier parts of their Empire; the Ottomans were analogous to control rods.

With the Ottomans out of the picture, the cultural center for Islam reverted to Saudi Arabia--the Land of the Two Holy Mosques. The Saudi family came to power with the help of the crazy-conservative Wahhabis, who were pissed off at the royals allowing various things like US military bases on Arabian soil, education for females, and 1000 other things having to do with modernity. The royals did not want civil war, so they basically bribed the Wahhabi clerics with vast amounts of money to build mosques all over the world to preach the Wahhabi hard line.

What we're seeing today is the result of decades of oil-fueled Wahhabi hate speech spread to every corner of the world, with no country willing or able to fill the role of the old Ottoman Empire to moderate the nuclear chain reaction.

There's no easy fix to this problem, but one thing we can do is to accelerate alternative energy to decrease the funding source for the Wahhabis.

 

[marincounty]

If we followed Democrat's lead on the South, the proper response to terror attacks would be to ban Islam.

If we followed the Republican's lead on terrorist attacks, the proper response is to invade a country that had nothing to do with the attacks.

 

[Orignal Earl]

And the other 15%?

Don't be like Earl, who comically said that "only" 17% of Muslims in Central Asia support the death penalty for going atheist or converting away from Islam. By the way that number was way higher in places like Egypt, and even supposedly moderate places like Indonesia. KSA was not polled else it would probably be like 99% there.

No

Originally Posted by blastingcap View Post
Furthermore, regardless of whatever you want to ascribe to culture or whatever, the fact that over 80% of Muslims in some parts of the world would support the death penalty for leaving Islam (converting or going atheist) should give you food for thought about how crazy some Muslims are relative to others. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/t...-about-sharia/

And they didn't even poll the super-hardcore places like Saudi Arabia.

Looks like there is only 2 countries that came out to over 80%, but Afghanistan is 79 so lets say three
Out of the world pop of Muslims those countries are Egypt at 4.9, Afghanistan at 1.8 and Jordan at .4
Contrast Turkey who has 4.9 of world pop too, but only 12% would favor death penalty

You have to do the rest of the equation too.

Out of those who favor sharia as law of the land % that favor the death penalty for converts

So like Egypt would be 86% of 74%, Turkey would be 17% of 12%
Wonder what the big diff between Egypt and Turkey would be?

It looks like the largest Muslim (Indonesia etc) countries have very low numbers favoring the death penalty except Pakistan

I was correcting the numbers you were posting
You then switched to "any number more then one is bad" "don't be so stupid"

 

[alcoholbob]

Victimhood works for the left, why not copy it?

Because white males don't count as a victim class.

 

[blastingcap]

No

I was correcting the numbers you were posting
You then switched to "any number more then one is bad" "don't be so stupid"

Speaking of corrections I said any number more than ZERO is bad. And minor numerical corrections aside the point remains. Congrats for incriminating yourself lol.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Speaking of corrections I said any number more than ZERO is bad. And minor numerical corrections aside the point remains. Congrats for incriminating yourself lol.

Your dishonesty is all that remains..and your support for Daesh as following "True Islam"

 

[Victorian Gray]

Um, yeah I think I will skip that one.Interesting statistics. So 15% sound quite comfortable with terrorism and more than that think it's okay at certain times.

Now go find a poll of Christians and how they view people like the Lord's army, a group with a whopping 250-500 members.

I think you just made the point you didn't want to, which is that as everyone here knows (including you) there is a fundamental difference in the violence promulgated by muslims vs all other major religions, in both its essential backing in holy text and practical application (as scored by preponderance of terrorism coming from islam).

Speaking of percentages:

In the latest survey, 14 percent of respondents agreed that Jews have too much power in the United States; 30 percent said American Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the United States; and 19 percent said Jews have too much power in the business world – all figures virtually unchanged from the 2011 survey.

The percentage of respondents who believe that Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus was 26 percent, down from 31 percent in 2011. Eighteen percent said Jews have too much influence over the news media and about one-quarter agreed that Jews talk too much about the Holocaust.

The survey was released on the first day of the ADL’s two-day centennial conference being held in New York.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/186664/26-of-americans-think-jews-killed-jesus-poll-says/

 

[blastingcap]

Your dishonesty is all that remains..and your support for Daesh as following "True Islam"

1. Being off by a few percent is not dishonesty you delusional fuck.
2. I don't support Daesh you delusional fuck.

Speaking of percentages

He asked for an apple and you gave him a watermelon.

 

[Victorian Gray]

1. Being off by a few percent is not dishonesty you delusional fuck.
2. I don't support Daesh you delusional fuck.

Reading comprehension an issue?

"your support for Daesh as following "True Islam"

 

[Victorian Gray]

1. Being off by a few percent is not dishonesty you delusional fuck.
2. I don't support Daesh you delusional fuck.



He asked for an apple and you gave him a watermelon.

His percentages are more meaningful than mine? I wonder why.

 

[Blanky]

His percentages are more meaningful than mine? I wonder why.

Because, like Earl, you have no idea how statistics work. The more you try and use them the more this is evident. Now you throw a little antisemitism in for good measure.

 

[blastingcap]

Reading comprehension an issue?

"your support for Daesh as following "True Islam"

Watermelon boy, if he meant it your way then he should have written it differently. I "support" "for Daesh as following 'True Islam'" is a horrific sentence construction. Support implies there is something I'm advocating for. Furthermore he needs to prove that I am "supporting for Daesh as following 'True Islam.'" Good luck with that considering I've stated Islam is a matter of interpretation and the danger is that moderates can slide into fundie interpretations in times of stress.

You delusional fuck.

His percentages are more meaningful than mine? I wonder why.

Feel free to read what he asked for. You gave him something that he wasn't asking for. Deflect all you want but he still has no apple. You owe him an apple. You delusional fuck.

 

[Blanky]

Watermelon boy, if he meant it your way then he should have written it differently. I "support" "for Daesh as following 'True Islam'" is a horrific sentence construction. Support implies there is something I'm advocating for. Furthermore he needs to prove that I am "supporting for Daesh as following 'True Islam.'"

Earl isn't well educated and his writing reflects this. Gray's mistake was instinctively jumping to earl's defense without realizing how poor earl's sentence was written and what it actually says.