Islamic terror strikes Indian train en route to Pakistan.

[Braznor]

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Stupid bastards!

It was an Indian train en route to Pakistan. The bastards killed more Muslims than Hindus on that train. Death isn't good enough for them!

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Braznor
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Stupid bastards!

It was an Indian train en route to Pakistan. The bastards killed more Muslims than Hindus on that train. Death isn't good enough for them!

More Muslims die to the hands of other Muslims.

Thailand aslo had problems.

The majority of the world's conflicts involve, guess.

 

[firewall]

Wasn't there some kind of peace process going on between India and Pakistan? Reuters reports that this happened just before the Pakistani foreign minister was to make his trip to India. This might be an attempt by Hindu or Muslim extremists to sabotage this process.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SP340937.htm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1931752,000900010006.htm

Sad for the loss of lives...

 

[theprodigalrebel]

This was most likely done by Kashmiri Muslim militants but that doesn't make it 'Islamic Terrorism'. Kashmiri militants fighting for an Independent State != Islamic Terrorism.

 

[Termagant]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
This was most likely done by Kashmiri Muslim militants but that doesn't make it 'Islamic Terrorism'. Kashmiri militants fighting for an Independent State != Islamic Terrorism.

Careful, don't want to be a terrist apologist. Any and every terrorist is a Muslim Fascist in our Global War Of Terror. Even IRA and FARC....

If this was done by Muslim Terrists it could be because they disapprove of "moderate" Muslims traveling to the enemy land of India.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
This was most likely done by Kashmiri Muslim militants but that doesn't make it 'Islamic Terrorism'. Kashmiri militants fighting for an Independent State != Islamic Terrorism.

perhaps... but...

Who are the Kashmir militants?

Then there's these fine folks...

Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)

Mothertongue Name:
Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)

Aliases: The Army of the Omnipotent Almighty

Base of Operation: India; Kashmir

Founding Philosophy: Although very little is known about the origin or nature of Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ), the group has been highly publicized. The existence of LeJ was first reported by the local media in Jammu and Kashmir when the group committed two attacks in Srinigar in August 2001. On August 7, two unidentified youths poured diluted acid on two school teachers. The next day, an armed terrorist threatened the students and teachers of a girls school with violence unless they adopted 'Islamic' dress codes. An unidentified individual later claimed that Lashkar-e-Jabbar was responsible for the attacks. He added that the group meant "business in implementing the Islamic dress code in Kashmir." According to LeJ, Muslim women must always wear the burqa in public. News reports have claimed that LeJ was active before the August incidents and that the group was responsible for attacks on unveiled women in south Kashmir in June and July of 2001 which left three women injured. LeJ reportedly set September 1 as the deadline for acceptance of its dress codes. The media attention focused on LeJ prompted an older group, Dukhtaran-e-Millat (DeM) to join the 'movement'. The DeM expressed support for LeJ's goals but appealed to the LeJ to postpone its deadline. The LeJ promptly agreed to change the deadline to September 10. The organization also released a statement on September 8, asking non-Muslim women to wear clothing or jewelry that identified them as non-Muslims: 'bindis' on their foreheads, saffron duppatas, or yellow clothes.

Current Goals: LeJ continues to attempt to enforce the Islamic dress code in Kashmir. They also issued an edict mandating that men and women be separated on buses, and told a well-known female correspondent working for an Indian TV channel that she could no longer enter Pakistan to do her reporting. Most terrorist outfits active in the Kashmir, including the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM) and the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT), have condemned LeJ. The LeT claimed that the aim of those involved in such activities is to turn public opinion against separatist groups. The HM initially asserted that there was no terrorist group named Lashkar-e-Jabbar and that the activities being carried out in their name were part of a conspiracy against the 'Kashmiri freedom movement'. HM later released a statement saying that the LeJ would be deemed a 'suspect group' until it had proven itself to be a part of the 'Jihadi movement' in Jammu and Kashmir and suggested that individuals should capture and punish anyone found harassing women. The Jamiat-ul-Mujahideen (JuM), another terrorist group which was initially critical of the LeJ, changed its stance and welcomed the group's activities.

Or these...

al-Intiqami al-Pakistani
Aliases: Revenge of Jehadi , Revenge of the Pakistanis , Revenge of the People of Pakistan

Founding Philosophy: Little is known about al-Intiqami al-Pakistani (Revenge of the Pakistani People) beyond the details of their only known attack. In August 2002, members of al-Intiqami al-Pakistani opened fire on a Christian Missionary School in Murree, killing six Pakistanis and wounding at least three more. The dead included two guards, three school employees, and a bystander. Over one hundred children, many of them Westerners, attend the school. The group left an Urdu-language note at the scene referring to "resentment against world powers," and declaring that the attack was revenge for the mistreatment of Muslims in Afghanistan and elsewhere. A bystander claimed the attackers called out, "God is great" in Arabic during the attack. Three men suspected of having participated in the attack blew themselves up after being cornered by police two days later. According to the New York Times, it is unclear from the note left at the scene whether al-Intiqami al-Pakistani is the proper name of the group, or simply a statement about revenge on behalf of Pakistanis.

Current Goals: The note left by the attackers stated, "This is just a beginning of revenge [for] atrocities U.S. [is] committing in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kashmir, and Palestine, and we will continue attacking." Moravet Shah, the regional police commander, said the suspects that the police cornered confessed to the attack prior to killing themselves. According to Shah, they said, "We have no enmity with Muslims...Our targets are only Americans and nonbelievers."

Or any of the other fine folks on this list of groups in and around Kashmir...

Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ)
al-Intiqami al-Pakistani
Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front
Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM)
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)
Mujahideen al-Mansooran
al-Mansoorain
al-Umar Mujahideen
Dukhtaran-e-Millat
al-Arifeen
Jamiat ul-Mujahedin (JuM)
al-Hadid
Maoist Communist Center (MCC)
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HuM)
Hizbul Mujahideen (HM)
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Black December
al-Qaeda
al-Fuqra
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami (HUJI)
Save Kashmir Movement
Harakat ul-Jihad-i-Islami/Bangladesh (HUJI-B)
Islami Inqilabi Mahaz
al-Madina
al-Barq

You're right though.. maybe it wasnt one of the fanatical groups...

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
This was most likely done by Kashmiri Muslim militants but that doesn't make it 'Islamic Terrorism'. Kashmiri militants fighting for an Independent State != Islamic Terrorism.

If they want an "Islamic state", then yes, it is Islamic Terrorism.

 

[dahunan]

Musharif IS A TERRORIST SUPPORTER and he supports the Terrorists who kill people in Kashmir and India

 

[Aimster]

The violence is not Muslim/Hindu.

It is independence.

West/East Pakistan.
people keep assuming everything is always about religion. If that was the case India would give the land to Pakistan. Who needs more Muslims?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Musharif IS A TERRORIST SUPPORTER and he supports the Terrorists who kill people in Kashmir and India

So what would you have the US do differently?

I don't really expect you to champion going guns blazing against Pakistan while defending Iran?s position, but hey, I have seen stranger things.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The violence is not Muslim/Hindu.

It is independence.

West/East Pakistan.
people keep assuming everything is always about religion. If that was the case India would give the land to Pakistan. Who needs more Muslims?

Right, they were freedom fighters :disgust:

I guess they aren't terrorists until they kill westerners. :|

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Aimster
The violence is not Muslim/Hindu.

It is independence.

West/East Pakistan.
people keep assuming everything is always about religion. If that was the case India would give the land to Pakistan. Who needs more Muslims?

Right, they were freedom fighters :disgust:

I guess they aren't terrorists until they kill westerners. :|

& freedom fighters are almost always labeled as terrorist.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Aimster
The violence is not Muslim/Hindu.

It is independence.

West/East Pakistan.
people keep assuming everything is always about religion. If that was the case India would give the land to Pakistan. Who needs more Muslims?

Right, they were freedom fighters :disgust:

I guess they aren't terrorists until they kill westerners. :|

& freedom fighters are almost always labeled as terrorist.

Freedom fighters are called terrorists when they target innocent civilians.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Aimster
The violence is not Muslim/Hindu.

It is independence.

West/East Pakistan.
people keep assuming everything is always about religion. If that was the case India would give the land to Pakistan. Who needs more Muslims?

Right, they were freedom fighters :disgust:

I guess they aren't terrorists until they kill westerners. :|

& freedom fighters are almost always labeled as terrorist.

Freedom fighters are called terrorists when they target innocent civilians.

which they usually do.

 

[Braznor]

Aimster,

What about all the Kashmiri Hindus who were forced to flee their homes because of the terror unleashed by your 'freedom fighters'? They were half a million and are now without their homes in their own country!!

By your own calculations, freedom fighters should not throw their own people out of their homes, right?

 

[Aimster]

I never said they were right/wrong.

I simply said they are fighting for land. Not for religion.
They have their religion. Majority of Kashmir is Islam is it not?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Braznor
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Stupid bastards!

It was an Indian train en route to Pakistan. The bastards killed more Muslims than Hindus on that train. Death isn't good enough for them!

More Muslims die to the hands of other Muslims.

Thailand aslo had problems.

The majority of the world's conflicts involve, guess.

The religion of peace

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I never said they were right/wrong.

I simply said they are fighting for land. Not for religion.
They have their religion. Majority of Kashmir is Islam is it not?

Do not evade my question. Tell me if they are freedom fighters, why did they force the Kashmiri Hindus to flee? Aren't Kashmiri Hindus Kashmiri or by your confession are they not because they aren't muslims?

By the way, the Kashmiri Hindus are the original inhabitants of the land and not the muslims which spread there in it's usual 'peaceful' manner.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: Braznor
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Stupid bastards!

It was an Indian train en route to Pakistan. The bastards killed more Muslims than Hindus on that train. Death isn't good enough for them!

More Muslims die to the hands of other Muslims.

Thailand aslo had problems.

The majority of the world's conflicts involve, guess.

The religion of peace

Of course!!!

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: Aimster
I never said they were right/wrong.

I simply said they are fighting for land. Not for religion.
They have their religion. Majority of Kashmir is Islam is it not?

Do not evade my question. Tell me if they are freedom fighters, why did they force the Kashmiri Hindus to flee? Aren't Kashmiri Hindus Kashmiri or by your confession are they not because they aren't muslims?

By the way, the Kashmiri Hindus are the original inhabitants of the land and not the muslims which spread there in it's usual 'peaceful' manner.

& how many Hindus fled as a result of how many Muslims?

Were Hindus the minority?

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
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& how many Hindus fled as a result of how many Muslims?

Were Hindus the minority?

You still haven't answered my question and yes, the Hindus were a minority. Here is an extract from Wikipedia :

Wiki Link


Kashmiri Pandit refers to a person who belongs to a sect of Hindu Pandits who ancestrally originate from the Kashmir Valley. Kashmiri Pandits were gradually forced to migrate to other parts of India over the centuries due to countless Muslim invasions1 which caused social and political instability in the Kashmir region and resulted in Kashmir becoming predominantly Muslim. The devastation wrought by the Turko-Mongol general Zulju during his conquest of Kashmir is especially noteworthy. Sultan Sikander who is called by historians as idol-breaker (or iconoclast) is said to have killed several Kashmiri Pandits, forced several of them to convert or flee3.He wanted to establish a Islamic Rule in Kashmir. More recently (1990), hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits had to flee the Kashmir valley because of being targeted by Islamic terrorists.

 

[Aimster]

I didn't say anything for you to ask me that ?

You are simply putting words into my posts.

If they were the minority then they probably left. Show me that the Muslims forced them out. Which is totally way off-topic and not relevant to anything I posted.

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I didn't say anything for you to ask me that ?

You are simply putting words into my posts.

If they were the minority then they probably left. Show me that the Muslims forced them out. Which is totally way off-topic and not relevant to anything I posted.

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Originally posted by: Aimster
The violence is not Muslim/Hindu.

It is independence.

West/East Pakistan.
people keep assuming everything is always about religion. If that was the case India would give the land to Pakistan. Who needs more Muslims?

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I never said they were right/wrong.

I simply said they are fighting for land. Not for religion.
They have their religion. Majority of Kashmir is Islam is it not?

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Aimster,

Now you are denying your own words, my question is this, if they are freedom fighters, why would they target non Kashmiri Muslims and I expect you to answer this here and now. You went off-topic and not me.

As for your other point :

If they were the minority then they probably left. Show me that the Muslims forced them out

HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA

 

[Aimster]

& what are you laughing about?

They are fighting to get independence.
That doesn't make them right/wrong.

You made this thread trying to link their violence to killing non-Muslims which is stupid.
They killed Muslims because they wanted to send a message.

That is what freedom fighters do. They cause terror and kill people of the nations that are holding them back regardless of religion.

This is not a battle of Muslim vs Hindus. If India gave Kashmir to Pakistan, then the Muslims in Kashmir would start killing Pakistan's troops.

So my point is .. So what if they killed a train full of Muslims? How is that different from other attacks? It is not a Muslim vs Hindu War

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& what are you laughing about?

They are fighting to get independence.
That doesn't make them right/wrong.

You made this thread trying to link their violence to killing non-Muslims which is stupid.
They killed Muslims because they wanted to send a message.

That is what freedom fighters do. They cause terror and kill people of the nations that are holding them back regardless of religion.

This is not a battle of Muslim vs Hindus. If India gave Kashmir to Pakistan, then the Muslims in Kashmir would start killing Pakistan's troops.

So my point is .. So what if they killed a train full of Muslims? How is that different from other attacks? It is not a Muslim vs Hindu War

Freedom fighters fight the government, not the very people for whose freedom they are fighting for!!!

Did Gandhi kill Indians when he fought the British? Did George Washington kill Americans and burnt them alive when he fought for freedom?

Why this unique concession for butchery commited by Muslims under the guise of freedom?

Tell me how, when Islamic terrorists terrorize non muslims out of their homeland, it's not an Islam Vs. anything issue?