Islamic Jihad said on Sunday it had sent a first wave of suicide bombers to Baghdad to help Iraqis fight U.S. and Brits

[dahunan]

How do they know the Iraqi citizens want those nutballs running around blowing themselves up?

Islamic Jihad Say Suicide Bombers Gone to Baghdad

Reuters
Sunday, March 30, 2003; 10:58 AM



BEIRUT (Reuters) - Radical Palestinian group Islamic Jihad said on Sunday it had sent a first wave of suicide bombers to Baghdad to help Iraqis fight U.S. and British troops.

"Al-Quds Brigades brings to our people and nation the good news of the arrival of its first martyrdom (attackers) to the heart of Baghdad," a faxed statement from the armed wing of Islamic Jihad said.

"This is to fulfil the holy duty of defending Arab and Muslim land," it said.

Islamic Jihad also claimed responsibility on Sunday for a suicide bombing in a crowded pedestrian mall in the Israeli seaside town of Netanya that injured at least 30 people.

Islamic Jihad's Lebanon representative, Abu Imad al-Rifai, confirmed the statement. He said the suicide bombers had not come from Palestinian territories but from several countries.

Rifai declined to say how many potential Islamic Jihad suicide bombers had gone to Iraq but said more were on the way.

"Some have already arrived and others will come later," Rifai said. "If there are means for people to go, they will."

Asked if the Islamic Jihad members said to have gone to Baghdad had orders to carry out suicide bombings, Rifai said: "Yes, correct."

"A part of the role they are carrying out and have dedicated themselves to is fighting American occupation in Iraq and defending the Iraqi people," he said.

Islamic Jihad is listed as a terrorist organization by the U.S. government
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52146-2003Mar30.html

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm sure we will be only too happy to accommodate them all.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dahunan
How do they know the Iraqi citizens want those nutballs running around blowing themselves up?

Islamic Jihad Say Suicide Bombers Gone to Baghdad

IF it'll get rid of the Anglo-American bombing and invasion of their country, I'd say the regular Iraqis will WELCOME those "nutballs" as only the "invaders" will get targeted . . . talk about "precision-guided".

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dahunan
How do they know the Iraqi citizens want those nutballs running around blowing themselves up?

Islamic Jihad Say Suicide Bombers Gone to Baghdad

IF it'll get rid of the Anglo-American bombing and invasion of their country, I'd say the regular Iraqis will WELCOME those "nutballs" as only the "invaders" will get targeted . . . talk about "precision-guided".

Those invaders you speak of are your fellow americans. I have to think you really mean that the threat may alter the policy of the US not that you are delighted with the notion that americans will die. I assume you are American... if not then... well... I won't say it...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dahunan
How do they know the Iraqi citizens want those nutballs running around blowing themselves up?

Islamic Jihad Say Suicide Bombers Gone to Baghdad

IF it'll get rid of the Anglo-American bombing and invasion of their country, I'd say the regular Iraqis will WELCOME those "nutballs" as only the "invaders" will get targeted . . . talk about "precision-guided".

Those invaders you speak of are your fellow americans. I have to think you really mean that the threat may alter the policy of the US not that you are delighted with the notion that americans will die. I assume you are American... if not then... well... I won't say it...

You are missing my point COMPLETELY. 180 degrees off. Completely misunderstood. WRONG!

Listen to my clarification:

I gave the IRAQI Point-of-View - we are invading their country.
I am for saving all human life and especially "our boys" - I'd like them all to return safetly ASAP!
(now how the hell did you read into my comments that I am "delighted with the notion that Americans will die"? )

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dahunan
How do they know the Iraqi citizens want those nutballs running around blowing themselves up?

Islamic Jihad Say Suicide Bombers Gone to Baghdad

IF it'll get rid of the Anglo-American bombing and invasion of their country, I'd say the regular Iraqis will WELCOME those "nutballs" as only the "invaders" will get targeted . . . talk about "precision-guided".

Those invaders you speak of are your fellow americans. I have to think you really mean that the threat may alter the policy of the US not that you are delighted with the notion that americans will die. I assume you are American... if not then... well... I won't say it...

You are missing my point COMPLETELY. 180 degrees off. Completely misunderstood. WRONG!

Listen to my clarification:

I gave the IRAQI Point-of-View - we are invading their country.
I am for saving all human life and especially "our boys" - I'd like them all to return safetly ASAP!

Mr. Apoppin,
I see. Words can be typed so fast that the brains intention is not transmitted to the fingers.. "I'd say... " lead me to understand you were opining on the prospect and outcome..
I'm certain you care for the troops... Your post was not consistant with your other posts.. Have a nice day..

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dahunan
How do they know the Iraqi citizens want those nutballs running around blowing themselves up?

Islamic Jihad Say Suicide Bombers Gone to Baghdad

IF it'll get rid of the Anglo-American bombing and invasion of their country, I'd say the regular Iraqis will WELCOME those "nutballs" as only the "invaders" will get targeted . . . talk about "precision-guided".

Those invaders you speak of are your fellow americans. I have to think you really mean that the threat may alter the policy of the US not that you are delighted with the notion that americans will die. I assume you are American... if not then... well... I won't say it...

You are missing my point COMPLETELY. 180 degrees off. Completely misunderstood. WRONG!

Listen to my clarification:

I gave the IRAQI Point-of-View - we are invading their country.
I am for saving all human life and especially "our boys" - I'd like them all to return safetly ASAP!

Mr. Apoppin,
I see. Words can be typed so fast that the brains intention is not transmitted to the fingers.. "I'd say... " lead me to understand you were opining on the prospect and outcome..
I'm certain you care for the troops... Your post was not consistant with your other posts.. Have a nice day..

Remember we have to play Devils Advocate to understand WHY the other side would want things a certain way.

 

[Moonbeam]

Mr. Apoppin,
I see. Words can be typed so fast that the brains intention is not transmitted to the fingers.. "I'd say... " lead me to understand you were opining on the prospect and outcome..
I'm certain you care for the troops... Your post was not consistant with your other posts.. Have a nice day..
-----------------------------
I think the confusion was the readers not the connection between brain and fingers.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Mr. Apoppin,
I see. Words can be typed so fast that the brains intention is not transmitted to the fingers.. "I'd say... " lead me to understand you were opining on the prospect and outcome..
I'm certain you care for the troops... Your post was not consistant with your other posts.. Have a nice day..
-----------------------------
I think the confusion was the readers not the connection between brain and fingers.

I will defer to your obvious intellectual superiority and leave the issue with one thought... nah... the incongruence between expectations and occurance would be incomprehensable.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: apoppin


Listen to my clarification:

I gave the IRAQI Point-of-View - we are invading their country.
I am for saving all human life and especially "our boys" - I'd like them all to return safetly ASAP!

Mr. Apoppin,
I see. Words can be typed so fast that the brains intention is not transmitted to the fingers.. "I'd say... " lead me to understand you were opining on the prospect and outcome..
I'm certain you care for the troops... Your post was not consistant with your other posts.. Have a nice day..

Remember we have to play Devils Advocate to understand WHY the other side would want things a certain way.

Thank-you for understanding that I AM "playing devil's advocate" in MOST of my posts just to get other people to "think outside the box".

 

[JellyBaby]

The sad thing is these Islmaic Jihad Homicide Bombers have no regard for Iraqi civilians and will eagerly take them along with them.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What a suprise this is.

News flash- A great many Iraqis see us as invaders, and they are right. The fact that we are "nice" does not change that fact.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
The sad thing is these Islmaic Jihad Homicide Bombers have no regard for Iraqi civilians and will eagerly take them along with them.

As a Devil's Advocate would say... while they did what??? blow up a bunch of GI's... lets see if I can think beyond the box's constraint. It is sad that beside the GI's (the bomber's target) getting blown up... innocent Iraqi civilians will also perish. You can't do anything about the target but something should be done about the Jihadist's disregard for innocent life... Do I understand this yet????

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
The sad thing is these Islmaic Jihad Homicide Bombers have no regard for Iraqi civilians and will eagerly take them along with them.

As a Devil's Advocate would say... while they did what??? blow up a bunch of GI's... lets see if I can think beyond the box's constraint. It is sad that beside the GI's (the bomber's target) getting blown up... innocent Iraqi civilians will also perish. You can't do anything about the target but something should be done about the Jihadist's disregard for innocent life... Do I understand this yet????

You might want to take a break and realize THERE REALLY ARE TWO SIDES (OR MORE) TO EVERY SITUATION

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
The sad thing is these Islmaic Jihad Homicide Bombers have no regard for Iraqi civilians and will eagerly take them along with them.

As a Devil's Advocate would say... while they did what??? blow up a bunch of GI's... lets see if I can think beyond the box's constraint. It is sad that beside the GI's (the bomber's target) getting blown up... innocent Iraqi civilians will also perish. You can't do anything about the target but something should be done about the Jihadist's disregard for innocent life... Do I understand this yet????

OK . . .again being the DA . . . the jihadist sees NO ONE as innocent. There is a "greater good" (their understanding the "will of Allah" - to defeat the infidel invader) in eliminating the enemy . . . if any "innocents" are killed, well then Allah will grant them paradise along with the suicide-bomber.

ALSO, if YOU were an Iraqi citizen - would you "hang around" potential targets? Wisdom would dictate staying as far away from the Coalition forces as possible while the suicide bombers do their "work".

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
The sad thing is these Islmaic Jihad Homicide Bombers have no regard for Iraqi civilians and will eagerly take them along with them.

As a Devil's Advocate would say... while they did what??? blow up a bunch of GI's... lets see if I can think beyond the box's constraint. It is sad that beside the GI's (the bomber's target) getting blown up... innocent Iraqi civilians will also perish. You can't do anything about the target but something should be done about the Jihadist's disregard for innocent life... Do I understand this yet????

You might want to take a break and realize THERE REALLY ARE TWO SIDES (OR MORE) TO EVERY SITUATION

Of course there are at least two sides to every situation... one must probe to gain an understanding of all sides when one feels woefully lacking in the appreciation of the existance of another side.. you'd not deny me this simple edification... would you? Or have I crawled back into my box again where sentiant thought is limited to the reality I alone experience.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
The sad thing is these Islmaic Jihad Homicide Bombers have no regard for Iraqi civilians and will eagerly take them along with them.

As a Devil's Advocate would say... while they did what??? blow up a bunch of GI's... lets see if I can think beyond the box's constraint. It is sad that beside the GI's (the bomber's target) getting blown up... innocent Iraqi civilians will also perish. You can't do anything about the target but something should be done about the Jihadist's disregard for innocent life... Do I understand this yet????

You might want to take a break and realize THERE REALLY ARE TWO SIDES (OR MORE) TO EVERY SITUATION

Of course there are at least two sides to every situation... one must probe to gain an understanding of all sides when one feels woefully lacking in the appreciation of the existance of another side.. you'd not deny me this simple edification... would you? Or have I crawled back into my box again where sentiant thought is limited to the reality I alone experience.

YOU WANT THE OTHER SIDE - Here's an al-Jazeera British journalist's report:

Last month, when it became clear that the US-led drive to war was irreversible, I - like many other British journalists - relocated to Qatar for a ringside seat. But I am an Islamist journalist, so while the others bedded down at the ?1m media centre at US central command in As-Sayliyah, I found a more humble berth in the capital Doha, working for the internet arm of al-Jazeera.

And yet, only a week into the war, I find myself working for the most soughtafter news resource in the world. On March 23, the night the channel screened the first footage of captured US PoW's, al-Jazeera was the most searched item on the internet portal, Lycos, registering three times as many hits as the next item.

I do not mean to brag - people are turning to us simply because the western media coverage has been so poor. For although Doha is just a 15-minute drive from central command, the view of events from here could not be more different. Of all the major global networks, al-Jazeera has been alone in proceeding from the premise that this war should be viewed as an illegal enterprise. It has broadcast the horror of the bombing campaign, the blownout brains, the blood-spattered pavements, the screaming infants and the corpses. Its team of on-the-ground, unembedded correspondents has provided a corrective to the official line that the campaign is, barring occasional resistance, going to plan.

Last Tuesday, while western channels were celebrating a Basra "uprising" which none of them could have witnessed since they don't have reporters in the city, our correspondent in the Sheraton there returned a rather flat verdict of "uneventful" - a view confirmed shortly afterwards by a spokesman for the opposition Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. By reporting propaganda as fact, the mainstream media had simply mirrored the Blair/Bush fantasy that the people who have been starved by UN sanctions and deformed by depleted uranium since 1991 will greet them as saviours.

Only hours before the Basra non-event, one of Iraq's most esteemed Shia authorities, Ayatollah Sistani, had dented coalition hopes of a southern uprising by reiterating a fatwa calling on all Muslims to resist the US-led forces. This real, and highly significant, event went unreported in the west.

Earlier in the week Arab viewers had seen the gruesome aftermath of the coalition bombing of "Ansar al- Islam" positions in the north-east of the country. All but two of the 35 killed were civilians in an area controlled by a neutral Islamist group, a fact passed over with undue haste in western reports. And before that, on the second day of the war, most of the western media reported verbatim central command statements that Umm Qasr was under "coalition" control - it was not until Wednesday that al- Jazeera could confirm all resistance there had been pacified.

Throughout the past week, armed peoples in the west and south have been attacking the exposed rearguard of coalition positions, while all the time - despite debilitating sandstorms - western TV audiences have seen little except their steady advance towards Baghdad. This is not truthful reporting.

There is also a marked difference when reporting the anger the invasion has has unleashed on the Muslim street. The view from here is that any vestige of goodwill towards the US has evaporated with this latest aggresion, and that Britain has now joined the US and Isreal as a target of rage.

The British media has condemned al-Jazeera's decision to screen a 30-second video clip of two dead British soldiers. This is simple hypocrisy. From the outset of the war, the British media has not balked at showing images of Iraqi soliders either dead or captured and humiliated.

Amid the battle for hearts and minds in the most information-controlled war in history, one measure of the importance of those American PoW pictures and the images of the dead British soldiers is surely the sustained "shock and awe" hacking campaign directed at aljazeera.net since the start of the war. As I write, the al-Jazeera website has been down for three days and few here doubt that the provenance of the attack is the Pentagon. Meanwhile, our hosting company, the US-based DataPipe, has terminated our contract after lobbying by other clients whose websites have been brought down by the hacking.

It's too early for me to say when, or indeed if, I will return to my homeland. So far this war has progressed according to a near worst-case scenario. Iraqis have not turned against their tormentor. The southern Shia regard the invasion force as the greater Satan. Opposition in surrounding countries is shaking their regimes. I fear there remains much work to be done.

Faisal Bodi, Senior editor, aljazeera.net, wrote this piece for Guardian of London

 

[Thraxen]

ALSO, if YOU were an Iraqi citizen - would you "hang around" potential targets? Wisdom would dictate staying as far away from the Coalition forces as possible while the suicide bombers do their "work"

Sure, and what if you're just a citizen trying to get food and water from a humanitarian mission?

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

ALSO, if YOU were an Iraqi citizen - would you "hang around" potential targets? Wisdom would dictate staying as far away from the Coalition forces as possible while the suicide bombers do their "work"

Sure, and what if you're just a citizen trying to get food and water from a humanitarian mission?

First: Thankyou Apoppin for the link.

I am quite familiar with the issue of innocents.. Being Irish and having family living in Armagh. But, there and until the last few years for the most part, the issue was one of WHO caused the death of innocents.. if you were Catholic and the IRA did the deed then (NOT ABSOLUTE) "ahh poor mrs. this or that.." if it was the Paisleyites then the response was very differn't. My point is; Will the Iraqi innocents have less distaste for a Jihad bomber killing them versus a wayward US missle... I think so. And so would I.. because If I were them and knew no better I'd not want my country invaded even to save me from Saddam... I think I think that... I'll have to reflect on this awhile.. Of course I do know better... and would welcome the invasion... but them... I wish we could get into the mind of the Iraqi peasant... apparently Bush's team has not.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: HJD1

Originally posted by: Thraxen

ALSO, if YOU were an Iraqi citizen - would you "hang around" potential targets? Wisdom would dictate staying as far away from the Coalition forces as possible while the suicide bombers do their "work"

Sure, and what if you're just a citizen trying to get food and water from a humanitarian mission?

First: Thankyou Apoppin for the link.

I am quite familiar with the issue of innocents.. Being Irish and having family living in Armagh. But, there and until the last few years for the most part, the issue was one of WHO caused the death of innocents.. if you were Catholic and the IRA did the deed then (NOT ABSOLUTE) "ahh poor mrs. this or that.." if it was the Paisleyites then the response was very differn't. My point is; Will the Iraqi innocents have less distaste for a Jihad bomber killing them versus a wayward US missle... I think so. And so would I.. because If I were them and knew no better I'd not want my country invaded even to save me from Saddam... I think I think that... I'll have to reflect on this awhile.. Of course I do know better... and would welcome the invasion... but them... I wish we could get into the mind of the Iraqi peasant... apparently Bush's team has not.

I lived and worked as a reporter in Dublin, Ireland in the early 70s. We had a few car bombs go off in Dublin in 1972 (I think that was the start of it in the Republic). So I know about living "under seige" (although nothing like in the North).

You pick the uncrowded movie matanees, you forget your crowded nightspots and do all your errands at once and use all 6 of your senses to stay out of trouble spots.

Of course, it would be much worse in Iraq. Knowing your city and keeping your ears open should alert you to avoid certain areas at certain times.

And you're welcome for the link. Google has all the links if you can get the keywords right.

 

[Thraxen]

Of course, it would be much worse in Iraq. Knowing your city and keeping your ears open should alert you to avoid certain areas at certain times.

Yeah, and if your government has soldiers/loyalists in civilian clothes that will hang you for even waving at coalition forces or gun you down while trying to leave the city or get food...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Of course, it would be much worse in Iraq. Knowing your city and keeping your ears open should alert you to avoid certain areas at certain times.

Yeah, and if your government has soldiers/loyalists in civilian clothes that will hang you for even waving at coalition forces or gun you down while trying to leave the city or get food...

I imagine if you are in the laborer-professional "class" you have ALREADY made provisions for a couple of months of food and will LAY as LOW as possible so as not to be noticed. That usually "works" in wartime.

Of course, when the Coalition is fighting in the streets of Baghdad - kicking in ordinary citizen's doors looking for paramilitary, it will get UGLY.

 

[Thraxen]

imagine if you are in the laborer-professional "class" you have ALREADY made provisions for a couple of months of food and will LAY as LOW as possible so as not to be noticed.

You are still making the assumption that they had enough food on hand to store some up...which is obviously not the case if you've seen video of the near riots of people trying to get food from the aid trucks.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

imagine if you are in the laborer-professional "class" you have ALREADY made provisions for a couple of months of food and will LAY as LOW as possible so as not to be noticed.

You are still making the assumption that they had enough food on hand to store some up...which is obviously not the case if you've seen video of the near riots of people trying to get food from the aid trucks.

You are FORGETTING that most of the Iraqis get their food through the government (or relief agencies - food for oil) . . . according to the BBC (last night), it is expected that MOST Iraqis have enough supplies to last well into late April - they did have SOME NOTICE that the war was inevitable after the UN "peace process" dissolved. The really poor ones in the South where the fighting has cut off the water has put them in a DESPERATE situation. Not so in Baghdad (yet).

 

[Thraxen]

So it's OK that the priveledged in the capitol have enough, but the rest of the country can just go to hell. Yes, the Iraqi government is so giving, that's why they are gunning people down for trying to get food now.