Islam in NOT a religion of Peace!!!

JEDIYoda

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The son of a senior Hamas leader said -- "Islam is NOT a religion of peace!!"
Which is where I get my title from....

Seems like he is at peace with the fact that Hamas will probably try to kill him.
Seems like he had his reasons and was hoping to for good to be done.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100304...lYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDYXBpbnRlcnZpZXdo

AP Interview: Hamas spy unafraid, criticizes Islam

NEW YORK – Mosab Hassan Yousef, who helped Israel's security forces kill and arrest members of the Islamic militant group Hamas, is probably marked for death.

He should be keeping silent. But he's got a story to tell, one he delivers in his new book published this week, "Son of Hamas."

"To be honest with you, being killed is not the worst thing that can happen," he said Wednesday in an interview with The Associated Press. "If they want to do kill me ... let them do it, and they will be responsible for my blood."

In his memoir, Yousef, the 32-year-old son of a Hamas founder, claims he was one of the Shin Bet security agency's best assets and was dubbed The Green Prince, a reference to his Hamas pedigree and the Islamists' signature green color.

During his 50-minute interview, for which he arrived with armed security, Yousef took shots at Hamas leaders including political chief Khaled Meshaal. He lashed out at Hamas, saying the organization lives in the Middle Ages.

And he hurled his most inflammatory comments at Islam, which he called a religion that teaches people to kill.

"It is not a religion of peace," said Yousef, who converted to Christianity. "The biggest terrorist is the God of the Quran. I know this is very dangerous and this will offend many people. The more you follow the steps of the prophet of Islam and the God of Islam, the more you get close to being a terrorist."


Yousef said he started working with the Shin Bet after he was arrested and witnessed Hamas brutalities inside prison. When he was released in 1997, he started meeting with the Shin Bet and gravitating toward Christianity.

Yousef thought he could do some good, preventing the deaths of Israelis and Palestinians.

"I got a chance to stop killing," he said.

In his book, Yousef clearly relished his importance to Shin Bet and even designed his own missions, one involving duping Meshaal, who lives in Damascus.

"I love this spy stuff, especially with Israeli intelligence paving the way," he wrote. "In this way, a new communications channel was established with Damascus, even though Meshaal had no idea that he was actually on a party line with the Shin Bet listening in."

Yousef said Hamas has no idea how Shin Bet operates and accused Hamas of killing innocent people suspected of collaborating with Israel.

The U.S. government considers Hamas a terrorist organization. Hamas says it provides schools and other social benefits to residents in the areas it controls.

Yousef declined to discuss certain aspects of his intelligence relationship with the Israeli security organization, saying he didn't want to hinder its operational capabilities and give Hamas a "free gift."

"They're facing a dirty, difficult war," he said, referring to the Shin Bet battles with Hamas. "I don't agree with everything that they do. But their job is very important."

His relationship with the Shin Bet lasted for more than a decade until he decided he'd had enough. He ended his lonely and dangerous existence as a spy in 2007.

Yousef said the Israelis allowed him to leave the region for a few months to take a break from his harrowing job and travel to America, where he stayed, working as a security guard at a grocery store.

When he told his story to his new friends in America, people didn't believe him. But folks seem to be believing him now. His father, a senior Hamas leader, disowned him Monday.


Sheik Hassan Yousef said in a letter that his family had renounced "the one who was once our eldest son, who is called Mosab."

The son "disbelieved in God" and "collaborated with our enemies," said the father, who's serving a six-year term in an Israeli prison.

Mosab Yousef said he didn't take it personally.

"I know his heart," Yousef said. "My dad is a loving person. He would never disown me. At some point we will be together again. I love my father, and he loves me."

Yousef blamed his father's decision on the Quran.

"The God of Quran is trying to unskin Muslims from their humanity," he said, later adding, "Muslims are good people. But their God is absolutely bad."

Yousef's claims have rocked Hamas and exposed its vulnerability. His book comes on the heels of the assassination of a top Hamas operative in Dubai in January. Yousef denounced this latest killing in which Israel has been blamed and said the timing of the book was just a coincidence, not some Israeli scheme to generate even more paranoia among the ranks of Hamas.

Israel has not commented on Yousef's claims or on widespread speculation that it carried out the Dubai assassination.

Asked about why people should believe his book, which was displayed at a Manhattan bookstore's Christian inspiration section, Yousef said: "I am not expecting everybody to believe this story. Some people will doubt it."

Yousef said Hamas had no idea how to govern and he hoped the violence between the Palestinians and the Israelis would end. He said he thinks his traitorous efforts will pay off.

"A change," he said, "will happen for the next generation."
 
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deputc26

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Keep in mind that though he is the son of a Hamas founder he has become a Christian.
 

JEDIYoda

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Keep in mind that though he is the son of a Hamas founder he has become a Christian.

That`s right thus he has been there, seen that and done that and he knows that Islam is NOT a religion of Peace!!
 

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It's obvious to anyone that has studied Islam that it is not a religion of peace. The word 'Islam' means 'submission...to God'. It's principals are one of constant military warfare and aggression in the name of God. What is your point?

Also, that guy is not doing himself any favors by calling the Muslim God a 'terrorist'. He is no doubt alienating his host(s) and may become too hot to protect.
 
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Narmer

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interesting read! I wounder what happens next..............

The same thing that happens to all traitors. I have no doubt that this guy will get comfortable; hear that all is forgiven; walk into a jihadi trap and is promptly beheaded.
 

amddude

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Brave of him to announce his existence. A powerful story though. I'm looking forward to reading his book.
 

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Brave of him to announce his existence. A powerful story though. I'm looking forward to reading his book.

awesome, when you buy it and read it, you can post a summary for us non book readers here. :)
 

TechBoyJK

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Awesome. Nice that somebody has the balls to call their 'god' a terrorist. It's almost funny for him to call it so bluntly, given who he is. Muslims have to feel some burn.
 

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That`s right thus he has been there, seen that and done that and he knows that Islam is NOT a religion of Peace!!

I really enjoyed this read . But would also like to point out that everthing that he said about the God of Islam not being a Religion of peace. If you follow the reading . True enough. But the exact same thing applies to the Jewish teachings and folllowings. That both Jews and Christian follow in tradition. I say if Killing is to be done by the WILL of God . Let GOD weild the Sword.
 

thraashman

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By their nature, no religions is really peaceful (... ok, Buddhism and Hinduism maybe but I don't know enough about them to really comment). Look at books in the Bible and Torah that tell the followers to put gay people to death and all other sort of horrible things. The people that still adamantly follow the Bible word for word are pretty much crazy nutcases. I think that the non-Islam religions have evolved a bit where the followers don't take the crazy parts too seriously. Hopefully Muslims will soon come around too.

Also, it does need to be pointed out that the Islam this man was exposed to his whole life was of the craziest, most violent variety. I'm sure Catholics that grew up during the Inquisition would often have thought the same about their religion.
 

JEDIYoda

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By their nature, no religions is really peaceful (... ok, Buddhism and Hinduism maybe but I don't know enough about them to really comment). Look at books in the Bible and Torah that tell the followers to put gay people to death and all other sort of horrible things. The people that still adamantly follow the Bible word for word are pretty much crazy nutcases. I think that the non-Islam religions have evolved a bit where the followers don't take the crazy parts too seriously. Hopefully Muslims will soon come around too.

Also, it does need to be pointed out that the Islam this man was exposed to his whole life was of the craziest, most violent variety. I'm sure Catholics that grew up during the Inquisition would often have thought the same about their religion.

don`t be an apologist for Islam.....
 

deputc26

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By their nature, no religions is really peaceful (... ok, Buddhism and Hinduism maybe but I don't know enough about them to really comment). Look at books in the Bible and Torah that tell the followers to put gay people to death and all other sort of horrible things. The people that still adamantly follow the Bible word for word are pretty much crazy nutcases. I think that the non-Islam religions have evolved a bit where the followers don't take the crazy parts too seriously. Hopefully Muslims will soon come around too.

Also, it does need to be pointed out that the Islam this man was exposed to his whole life was of the craziest, most violent variety. I'm sure Catholics that grew up during the Inquisition would often have thought the same about their religion.

Your statement regarding other religions would be very difficult to defend, especially regarding Buddhism and Christianity, while violence has certainly been done in the name of each it has not been done in accordance with each. By that logic atheism and anything else that has ever been regarded as a basis for action would fall under your definition of "not peaceful"
 

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Your statement regarding other religions would be very difficult to defend, especially regarding Buddhism and Christianity, while violence has certainly been done in the name of each it has not been done in accordance with each. By that logic atheism and anything else that has ever been regarded as a basis for action would fall under your definition of "not peaceful"

Christians have killed more people historically, in the name of their religion, than any other. Yet Christians are less a problem today, at this precise moment in history, than Muslims. This has less to do with what it says in some dusty scripture, and more to do with the fact that Muslim countries are at a different place on the timeline of cultural and political evolution than are western countries. If those countries were to adopt open, democratic systems, the violence would diminish in the longrun, while the contents of their holy books would remain the same. The trouble with solely correlating the behavior of religious people to the contents of these books is that too much is open to varying interpretations.

- wolf
 

Lemon law

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I very much agree with woolfe9999, so be it resolved, and historically speaking, neither Christianity or Islam can be called a religion of peace.

But we somewhat tend to lose our perspectives in today's troubled times, because we are at the last death rattles of Christian inspired colonialism, a process whose rise and fall has taken roughly 500 years. And as the Christian West has tried to replace colonialism with economic domination, the main battlegrounds just happen to be in Muslim dominated areas at this time. And as the indigenous Muslim population resists Christian continued domination, its not surprising that we get violence and conflict between Christianity and Islam.

But the same process has played out in South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia where the Muslims religion is mostly Missing in action, but the Christians West are still trying to hang on to whatever power they can retain and will use violence to enforce it.

But that is the wondrous part of religion, there are no shortage of religious figures from all religions that will stand up and loudly proclaim, God wants US to kill THEM. And IMHO, the fault is not inherently in God or any religion, the fault is in human nature.

Places like India that managed the transition away from Colonialism without major Christian v. other religions violence are somewhat of an anomaly.
 

JS80

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Christians have killed more people historically, in the name of their religion, than any other. Yet Christians are less a problem today, at this precise moment in history, than Muslims. This has less to do with what it says in some dusty scripture, and more to do with the fact that Muslim countries are at a different place on the timeline of cultural and political evolution than are western countries. If those countries were to adopt open, democratic systems, the violence would diminish in the longrun, while the contents of their holy books would remain the same. The trouble with solely correlating the behavior of religious people to the contents of these books is that too much is open to varying interpretations.

- wolf

The difference is there is no way in hell you can interpret any of Jesus's teachings to committing violence, while you do not need any type of "interpreting" to get a message of violence from the Koran.
 

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it's not a religion. it's a way of life. in islam it's a mans world.
 

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The difference is there is no way in hell you can interpret any of Jesus's teachings to committing violence, while you do not need any type of "interpreting" to get a message of violence from the Koran.

Christians can and HAVE interpreted the Bible as mandating violence toward non-Christians, and other Christrians (e.g. Catholics versus Protestants), for ages. Doesn't matter if those interpretations are accurate. The fact is they were prevalent for over 1000 years. The answer to why Christians don't go on crusades or burn heretics at the stake anymore has nothing to do with any change in scripture. It's quite obvious that it has to do with cultural and political changes in the west over the past several hundred years. This is proven *conclusively* by the fact that the scriptures have not changed. Culture and politics, not scripture, are the primary influences on the behavior of religious people vis a vis violence.

- wolf
 
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JS80

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Christians can and HAVE interpreted the Bible as mandating violence toward non-Christians, and other Christrians (e.g. Catholics versus Protestants), for ages. Doesn't matter if those interpretations are accurate. The fact is they were prevalent for over 1000 years. The answer to why Christians don't go on crusades or burn heretics at the stake anymore has nothing to do with any change in scripture. It's quite obvious that it has to do with cultural and political changes in the west over the past several hundred years. This is proven *conclusively* by the fact that the scriptures have not changed. Culture and politics, not scripture, are the primary influences on the behavior of religious people vis a vis violence.

- wolf

Please post these interpretations citing gospel scripture. You won't. Because you can't.

The truth is people couldn't read back then so the sociopaths in power simply told their slaves what to do in the name of xyz.
 

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That`s right thus he has been there, seen that and done that and he knows that Islam is NOT a religion of Peace!!
And Zionist Judaism is?
Or fundamental Christianity?

With the practical examples monotheism keeps putting forward, I am starting to entertain the idea of polytheism!
It's just Karma man! When you use a negative mindset, you get nothing out of it.
These Kali worshipers are all the same! They drink the blood of each others children and if you at any of their "histories" it is a path painted with the blood of the innocent!
People have to stop listen to bitter, power hungry old men in all cultures.
This is the path of enlightenment give to us all by the Buddha.
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Its all zero's and one's but some people keep trying to add zero's together...what dumb asses! Wake up it's a dead end path is my advise to them all, your god is nothing but a demon, a glitch in your chip!
Now where the fuck did I put my little 18carat gold hand crafted Calf, it's a white-faced-Hereford trophy from my countries agricultural society, best calf in show 1983! hahhaaaa!
I'm gunna drill some holes in it's back to hold incense sticks.
 

gingermeggs

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I very much agree with woolfe9999, so be it resolved, and historically speaking, neither Christianity or Islam can be called a religion of peace.

But we somewhat tend to lose our perspectives in today's troubled times, because we are at the last death rattles of Christian inspired colonialism, a process whose rise and fall has taken roughly 500 years. And as the Christian West has tried to replace colonialism with economic domination, the main battlegrounds just happen to be in Muslim dominated areas at this time. And as the indigenous Muslim population resists Christian continued domination, its not surprising that we get violence and conflict between Christianity and Islam.

But the same process has played out in South America, Africa, and Southeast Asia where the Muslims religion is mostly Missing in action, but the Christians West are still trying to hang on to whatever power they can retain and will use violence to enforce it.

But that is the wondrous part of religion, there are no shortage of religious figures from all religions that will stand up and loudly proclaim, God wants US to kill THEM. And IMHO, the fault is not inherently in God or any religion, the fault is in human nature.

Places like India that managed the transition away from Colonialism without major Christian v. other religions violence are somewhat of an anomaly.

It's more like 1600years Constantine was the first christian roman emperor/pope.
Also you forget all these "punters" commonly say, god need's your money!
Like wtf does he spend it all on? Does he blow it at the races every Saturday? because he's always looking for more on Sunday morning!