Is XP SP3 safe to install?
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For most people I imagine it wouldn't be an issue that you cannot uninstall IE7 after installing SP3, but that's a valid point if you have applications not compatible with IE7.
This may be a bit OT. I slipstreamed an unattended copy of XP Pro with SP3 and IE7 using nlite. I used it to reinstall the OS on a repair, but after several attempts it failed to install the latest security update from MS Update for IE7. I had to uninstall IE7 and then reinstall it from MS to get the security update to install. So I suggest you do not slipstream IE7 with XP and SP3.
What do you mean 'now'? SP3 hasn't changed since it was time-stamped in April 2008. Some additional pre-requisite patches have been released, but not many.
The chances of encountering any problems will truly be negligible if you:
- empty/clean all temp file locations
- run chkdsk /r (full disk check with surface scan, automatically fix errors)
- install any out-standing Windows Updates
- check for newer drivers for all devices and update if available
- check for updates to all third-party applications and update if available
- disable Automatic Updates
- disable hibernate and screen saver, set 'never' for other PM events
- delete all system restore points except last restore point using Disk Cleanup
- remove, disable, or unplug non-essential devices and peripherals such as audio, LAN, firewire, modems, printers, secondary video cards, et. al.
- disable all real-time protection components of security applications
Install SP3. If successful, reboot one additional time than required by Setup, then undo/reverse/redo above where applicable.
April is when you could download it manually from their website, however it was not enabled right away from Windows Update as a mandatory update.
Erm...how? RAID is just an issue of the RAID BIOS configuring the drives and handing control to the OS, exactly as a non-RAID BIOS does it. What's different here? Is there an official KB article on this from Microsoft?
I couldnt find one, but I suspect that might be refering to folks that hacked on got the raid driver runnin on XP (as I recall there was some sp issues with that in the past)
HeXploiT
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I worked on one guys rig where the raid had disappeared when he attempted to install sp3. While I was on his machine recovering the raid he spent about an hour on the phone yelling at microsoft. Eventually he hands the phone to me and insists that I talk with them. I argued with the guy for a few minutes as I knew microsoft was not going to be able to help. Anyway so I get on the phone and tell the person on the other end that I want to speak with an actual tech. After a few minutes I get one and I specifically asked if SP3 has any issues with machines running a raid. The tech told me they recommend users running the OS on a raid to install sp3 in safe mode. This was about a month to seven weeks ago.
Beyond this I do not know as I was not present when he attempted to install the service pack.
Another tech friend of mine communicated to me that he has experienced this exact same issue.
I think if it's accurate it's rather obvious why microsoft wouldn't advertise it.
Sounds pretty fishy. All kinds of RAID are different so which are we talking about? Why would safe mode change anything? Why hasn't MS made a KB out of it?
HeXploiT
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What the hell are you talking about?!
If a company causes damage to an individuals computer, or worse yet a business computer, they aren't going to admit it unless they half to. You actually think microsoft fesses up to all its mistakes?
Put one and one together ya new guy.
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Originally posted by: Perry404
What the hell are you talking about?!
If a company causes damage to an individuals computer, or worse yet a business computer, they aren't going to admit it unless they half to. You actually think microsoft fesses up to all its mistakes?
Put one and one together ya new guy.
You're a troll - you even try and provoke the mods when they call you out in the other thread on your lack of evidence.
Originally posted by: Perry404
What the hell are you talking about?!
If a company causes damage to an individuals computer, or worse yet a business computer, they aren't going to admit it unless they half to. You actually think microsoft fesses up to all its mistakes?
Put one and one together ya new guy.
Yeah, actually they do fess up to all their mistakes. Search the KB for the phrase, ""microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem".
The recommendation to install while in safe mode is often given to avoid poorly written 3rd party apps that interfere with the install process. I've not seen that recommendation given to avoid losing a raid array. Until you troubleshoot this down to the exact root cause you don't really know what is going on. It's just guesses.
PM me your MS support case number (SRX... or SRZ... ) I would be interested to go read what happened.
HeXploiT
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Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Perry404
What the hell are you talking about?!
If a company causes damage to an individuals computer, or worse yet a business computer, they aren't going to admit it unless they half to. You actually think microsoft fesses up to all its mistakes?
Put one and one together ya new guy.
You're a troll - you even try and provoke the mods when they call you out in the other thread on your lack of evidence.
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Perry404
What the hell are you talking about?!
If a company causes damage to an individuals computer, or worse yet a business computer, they aren't going to admit it unless they half to. You actually think microsoft fesses up to all its mistakes?
Put one and one together ya new guy.
Yeah, actually they do fess up to all their mistakes. Search the KB for the phrase, ""microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem".
The recommendation to install while in safe mode is often given to avoid poorly written 3rd party apps that interfere with the install process. I've not seen that recommendation given to avoid losing a raid array. Until you troubleshoot this down to the exact root cause you don't really know what is going on. It's just guesses.
PM me your MS support case number (SRX... or SRZ... ) I would be interested to go read what happened.
Sorry no support number. Microsoft techs are usually very little help.
There is this however...
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Perry404
What the hell are you talking about?!
If a company causes damage to an individuals computer, or worse yet a business computer, they aren't going to admit it unless they half to. You actually think microsoft fesses up to all its mistakes?
Put one and one together ya new guy.
Yeah, actually they do fess up to all their mistakes. Search the KB for the phrase, ""microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem".
The recommendation to install while in safe mode is often given to avoid poorly written 3rd party apps that interfere with the install process. I've not seen that recommendation given to avoid losing a raid array. Until you troubleshoot this down to the exact root cause you don't really know what is going on. It's just guesses.
PM me your MS support case number (SRX... or SRZ... ) I would be interested to go read what happened.
Sorry no support number. Microsoft techs are usually very little help.
There is this however...
What do you mean no support number? Did you have a case opened or not?
Problems with a service pack install warrant a full blown paid pro support case for free. Until your problem is fixed your case should be open and ongoing. MS techs cannot close an unresolved case without customer permission. Techs are also required to send you an opening email that scopes the problem that is being resolved, provides contact information, and provides a case number. Search your inbox for that email and you'll have the case number.
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From that other thread I can't really deduce that SP3 has a problem (nor that Microsoft is "covering it up")
"Some guy" losing his raid setup doesn't provide much evidence that there is a problem with SP3. There is as much evidence that he lost his raid because it was a Tuesday in the summertime.
Maybe I'm fuzzy on what actually happened.
What does "lost its raid setup" mean? Do you see the raid array in bios? Do you see the individual drives?
A Raid array is presented to the OS transparently as just a controller and a drive. The OS has no control over the function of the "raid setup" itself. That is controlled through bios either directly or through the raid vendors application. The OS cannot actually isssue "raid setup" commands on its own nor undo them.
I'm trying not to leap to the conclussion that this "sp3 breaks raid" is nothing more than FUD but you have to help me out here.
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