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Is Win 8 the new Vista??? HP brings Win 7 back!

its a tablet interface that's wholly unsuitable for desktop use. Most users don't care about the underlying improvements. The only surprise is it took this long for HP to back out.
 
Remember these stickers?

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All my work computers run Windows 7 and I just bought a new Dell with Windows 7 pro on it. Runs great and gets the job done. I see no need to get Windows 8 for work related computers.

Only computer with windows 8.0 is my laptop that I use home for personal use. Might upgrade to 8.1 soon.

Windows 7 is not going away anytime soon.
 
Brought it back? Dell, on the other hand, never let it go AFAIK. I just bought a Dell Inspiron with Windows 7 Pro a couple weeks ago, for work. I also bought myself a copy of Windows 7 for my own personal use. Plus I plan to find a Windows 7 pc for my parents to buy in the near future.
 
FeuerFrei said:
Brought it back? Dell, on the other hand, never let it go AFAIK. I just bought a Dell Inspiron with Windows 7 Pro a couple weeks ago, for work. I also bought myself a copy of Windows 7 for my own personal use. Plus I plan to find a Windows 7 pc for my parents to buy in the near future.
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Good choice:thumbsup:
 
Nothing really note worthy, For hp Business systems they all pretty much had win7 preloaded on them still or could downgrade, as they most shipped with 8 Pro

It just the consumer lines that are getting win7 "back"

The same thing happen when vista shipped, pretty much the business lines from HP, Lenovo, Dell all shipped with Vista business, but downgraded to XP pro
 
Is Win 8 the new Vista??? HP brings Win 7 back!
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Win7 was the new Vista since its based on Vista with refinements(both to me are good operating systems and I've fond good memories of both since day one of release) and yes I think Win8 is a very good OS as well,some nice security improvements and features and easy to use,the day I find any modern Windows OS hard to use I will retire from PCs and get an IQ boost 😉 .


Btw nothing OS wise is as bad as WinME by a long chalk.
🙂
 
Mem said:
Win7 was the new Vista since its based on Vista with refinements(both to me are good operating systems and I've fond good memories of both since day one of release) and yes I think Win8 is a very good OS as well,some nice security improvements and features and easy to use,the day I find any modern Windows OS hard to use I will retire from PCs and get an IQ boost 😉 .


Btw nothing OS wise is as bad as WinME by a long chalk.
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Win7 was never the new Vista. Vista was so horrible at first that people were screaming to have XP as an option. It wasn't entirely Vista's fault. It came out at a time when memory was expensive so manufacturers were often time only selling their Pc's with 512 ram.
 
Matt1970 said:
Win7 was never the new Vista. Vista was so horrible at first that people were screaming to have XP as an option. It wasn't entirely Vista's fault. It came out at a time when memory was expensive so manufacturers were often time only selling their Pc's with 512 ram.
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Vista and Win7 are very similar. Win7 has a little more glitz but the kernel at it's heart is almost entirely Vista based.
You nailed it with the hardware though. System builders were to cheap to up the ram even though MS strongly suggested they do so. Also third party driver support was abysmal even though MS warned peripheral suppliers a year ahead of time they would need to write new ones for Vista.
 
Matt1970 said:
Win7 was never the new Vista. Vista was so horrible at first that people were screaming to have XP as an option. It wasn't entirely Vista's fault. It came out at a time when memory was expensive so manufacturers were often time only selling their Pc's with 512 ram.
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Win7 is based on Vista,Vista got some bad rep due to lazy companies very slow to release drivers out the gate and also OEM companies selling hardware with Vista below Vista's recommended minimum specs,after SP1 it was pretty solid,Win7 improved on Vista with less UAC nagging and some performance speed increase,also Win7 had the advantage of Vista driver base to fall back on and could use Vista drivers unlike Vista which was a whole new OS from XP with different drivers.


Think of Win7 as further two years refinement of Vista and you can see it was the new Vista.


Fact is Vista was a good OS IMHO,FUD is always around in forums and the net,I personally used Vista,Win7,Win8 all from day one and they were fine for me in general usage and even gaming.
 
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bbhaag said:
Vista and Win7 are very similar. Win7 has a little more glitz but the kernel at it's heart is almost entirely Vista based.
You nailed it with the hardware though. System builders were to cheap to up the ram even though MS strongly suggested they do so. Also third party driver support was abysmal even though MS warned peripheral suppliers a year ahead of time they would need to write new ones for Vista.
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I think I paid $50 for my extra 512 stick of ram at the time and that still left me with a pathetic 1GB. Having computers with the almost mandatory 2GB was pricey then.

Vista is OK now, but it was riddled with issues when it first came out. Horrible startup and shutdown times. I saw plenty of them that took 5 minutes to shut down, if they shut down at all. Updates would take 5 times longer than they should. File transfer problems.
 
Matt1970 said:
I think I paid $50 for my extra 512 stick of ram at the time and that still left me with a pathetic 1GB. Having computers with the almost mandatory 2GB was pricey then.

Vista is OK now, but it was riddled with issues when it first came out. Horrible startup and shutdown times. I saw plenty of them that took 5 minutes to shut down, if they shut down at all. Updates would take 5 times longer than they should. File transfer problems.
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I had a 4GB PC back then for Vista so was fine,drivers as I stated caused some serious issues,look at Win8 fast startup and shut down but goes to show some people will always find something to moan about.

Even XP had some issues in the early days especially before SP1,want to go back further look at Win98 even that got Win98SE version later.
 
Mem said:
I had a 4GB PC back then for Vista so was fine,drivers as I stated caused some serious issues,look at Win8 fast startup and shut down but goes to show some people will always find something to moan about.

Even XP had some issues in the early days especially before SP1,want to go back further look at Win98 even that got Win98SE version later.
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Not quite sure what the relevence is of you having 4Gb. The point was most of the intended market for Vista, didn't. It also had some very annoying bugs that didn't get fixed till the SP. Once the SP came out it was a perfectly good O/S but unfortunately by that time it was too late.

Your line about 'some people' baffles me.

People will 'moan' if there's something to moan about, and won't if there isn't - it's really not complicated.

To be honest, I wasn't aware of slow boot time being an issue for Vista (the problem with file copying was what I remember seeing), but if it was slower than XP, that's a legitimate moan. That 8 doesn't boot slowly doesn't mean people can't have a different problem with it. There's no rule that says one must only dislike an OS for the same reason as some other people disliked another one!

Again, it sounds like you are personally upset at Windows8 not getting a great reception.

Why are you so determined to insist that MS are always right and if people don't want a product then its the public who are wrong? It just seems strange to me, unless you are actually part of the Win8 team, you should let it go.

Companies rise and fall based on meeting the needs of the public, you seem to be suggesting that the public exists to satisfy the needs of a corporation! And that we therefore don't need a new version of Windows, we need a new public!
 
Mem said:
I had a 4GB PC back then for Vista so was fine,drivers as I stated caused some serious issues,look at Win8 fast startup and shut down but goes to show some people will always find something to moan about.

Even XP had some issues in the early days especially before SP1,want to go back further look at Win98 even that got Win98SE version later.
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Sure they will, but until Vista came out computer manufacturers were able to say goodbye to an old OS when a new one came out. Vista changed that and enough people made a big enough of a stink that they now had go back to offering XP.
 
pmv said:
Not quite sure what the relevence is of you having 4Gb. The point was most of the intended market for Vista, didn't. It also had some very annoying bugs that didn't get fixed till the SP. Once the SP came out it was a perfectly good O/S but unfortunately by that time it was too late.

Your line about 'some people' baffles me.

People will 'moan' if there's something to moan about, and won't if there isn't - it's really not complicated.

To be honest, I wasn't aware of slow boot time being an issue for Vista (the problem with file copying was what I remember seeing), but if it was slower than XP, that's a legitimate moan. That 8 doesn't boot slowly doesn't mean people can't have a different problem with it. There's no rule that says one must only dislike an OS for the same reason as some other people disliked another one!

Again, it sounds like you are personally upset at Windows8 not getting a great reception.

Why are you so determined to insist that MS are always right and if people don't want a product then its the public who are wrong? It just seems strange to me, unless you are actually part of the Win8 team, you should let it go.

Companies rise and fall based on meeting the needs of the public, you seem to be suggesting that the public exists to satisfy the needs of a corporation! And that we therefore don't need a new version of Windows, we need a new public!
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Win8 is nothing special to me(it works fine for me just like my Win7,Vista,XP,2K etc),I've upgraded every OS since DOS 6.22,Win9 I will jump on and also Win10,moaners will always be around as well as some FUD,end of the day any OS is just an OS and that includes Linux distro's too,what amazes me is how some people get worked up on a modern OS.

Win9 will be interesting that's for sure,regardless I'm ready to move forward for Win9 or 10 etc can you say the same thing?

It's quite simple no OS is perfect and that includes my favourite Linux distros too , operating systems eventually change regardless of what we think is good or bad,only have to look at history to see my point.

I did not say Microsoft is right,they will do what they think is best and also make changes again and again if needed that suits their best interest.

I've my anti-Win9 thread seats booked already,should be interesting to see what moaners moan about next time ,some are always trival and some probably valid ,one that is not is the word "FORCED",we all have a choice on what OS we use,nobody is forced to use Windows or even Linux.

Right off to game now then off on my favourite Linux distro 🙂 .
 
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Sure they will, but until Vista came out computer manufacturers were able to say goodbye to an old OS when a new one came out. Vista changed that and enough people made a big enough of a stink that they now had go back to offering XP.
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Win7 is closer to Vista then XP so in that regards it's a complement to Vista,end of the day I'm glad XP is going way of the dodo,its time is long overdue RIP.
 
This is a good thread. We don't have any Windows 8 mocking threads yet, I expect a valuable and interesting discussion here

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I don't get why so many people have to be butthurt about the silly interface. Ignore that, and you have a _very_ solid OS.
 
el-Capitan said:
This is a good thread. We don't have any Windows 8 mocking threads yet, I expect a valuable and interesting discussion here

/s

I don't get why so many people have to be butthurt about the silly interface. Ignore that, and you have a _very_ solid OS.
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Raduque said:
People are scared of change. People villify what they're scared of. Therefore Windows 8 is "teh WORST. OS. EVAR!1"
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Of course.. the problem with Windows 8 is the people of planet earth.. not the new design.
Blaming the failure of windows 8 entirely on the vast majority of people being scared of change is a bit disingenuous. I've eagerly awaited every windows version since 3.1 and enjoyed each os step up to windows 8. Using windows became more like work instead being a pleasure to use. I use 8.1 on my rt and its ok and I'm sure I would like it better if I took the time to learn the os.. but thats the problem I have never had to research how to make an os usable, it always just happened.. until windows 8.
I am looking forward to Windows 9. Maybe in the end windows 8 purpose will be destined to be the os that conditions the public in breaking thru the ice to adopting a tablet/ desktop os.
 
NetGuySC said:
Of course.. the problem with Windows 8 is the people of planet earth.. not the new design.
Blaming the failure of windows 8 entirely on the vast majority of people being scared of change is a bit disingenuous. I've eagerly awaited every windows version since 3.1 and enjoyed each os step up to windows 8. Using windows became more like work instead being a pleasure to use. I use 8.1 on my rt and its ok and I'm sure I would like it better if I took the time to learn the os.. but thats the problem I have never had to research how to make an os usable, it always just happened.. until windows 8.
I am looking forward to Windows 9. Maybe in the end windows 8 purpose will be destined to be the os that conditions the public in breaking thru the ice to adopting a tablet/ desktop os.
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It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out, but I really think this is Microsofts end goal. To the best of my knowledge they are the only company so far that has tried to merge the phone, tablet, and desktop under one OS. One could even argue that they are trying to do it to the console market as well. The tile interface on the 360 is very similar to Win8.

I'm also interested to see how it goes for Ubuntu 14.04 when it's released later this year. According to Mark Shuttleworth it will "support smartphones, tablets, TVs and smart screens." along with desktop support. Ubuntu pretty much dominates Linux these days so it will be fascinating to see how Ubuntu users respond.
 
I have a non-touchscreen laptop with Win 8, the wife has a touchscreen laptop with Win 8.

I used 8.1 non-touch and was fine with it, but missed some ease of use things that were easier after using the touch interface.

It was an "A HA!" moment, Win 8 really does work well with the touch features it built in.

FWIW, the non-touch 8.1 laptop and Win 7 desktop both have SSDs in them, and after installing Classic Shell on the non-touch laptop, day to day use is pretty much the same experience in terms of responsiveness, et al. compared to Win 7.

I do like 8.1 more than 8, but I do not think 8 overall is a worse product than 7, it is polished and works well.
 
Ha. More like Windows 7 is the new XP. Every large enterprise that migrated to Windows 7 found migration to be such a PITA that they're going to stick with it as long as they can. They're skipping Windows 8 and probably Windows 9 too without giving any consideration whatsoever to the OS itself. Not worth the training expense and the listening to endless "it's not broke so why are we switching?" complaints. Since 7 has extended support until 2020, lots of enterprise users won't even start seriously considering a replacement until 2017.
 
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