Is violence automatically justified when a racial epithet is used?

Syringer

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The whole race card issue is always a finnicky one, what with the history of racial violence in our country and all..but one thing that bothers me is whenever I hear stories of guys getting into a fight, and one of them tries to justify it because the other guy called him a racial slur (e.g. the n-word), and it seems as if society automatically accepts it as a proper excuse for triggering a violent act and makes the person who was called the word into an immediate victim.

Is it though?

First of all, I think fighting over most things out there are silly in the first place, and is done by guys who are not secure enough in themselves and have to prove their masculinity by fighting over something silly like, "hey you looked at my girl". There are two potential ensuing cases in such a matter--a) you get your ass kicked...which, kind of sucks, or b) you whoop on the other guy..and, so what? Unless it was purely in self defense (in which case you really have no other choice), the police will probably be involved, you'll get a record attached to your name--and as someone who has too much to lose and little time to deal with that kind of BS, it's a stupid price to pay to provide a temporary boost to feed your ego.

But in any case, can a simple "word", along with its connotations, historical implications, etc..be enough to justify triggering a violent act?

Personally I'd say it's much than just a black and white issue here (no pun intended), as there just might be times where I feel a ass whooping is the only acceptable solution--but, in most cases it most certainly should not be.

It seems that in most cases where the magic word is used and violence stems from it, that the other party probably done something to trigger it in the first place and is equally responsible for the altercation happening--so there's no reason why he should be looked upon as the victim in any way, even though I think subconsciously many would immediately side with him initially.

Using "the word" is simply too easy, and someone who does use it probably shouldn't expect it to go ignored--and I can see a part of it being someone acting not only from their own defense but their entire race, but did MLK, Malcom X, etc. react, or even acknowledge anyone that taunted them with racial epithets? Would it have served any purpose at all to have?

The answer to those questions would have to be unequivocally, no.
 

Zee

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absolutely. physical repercussion is the only solution to such acts of verbal violence.

You should see me go wild when someone dares to even hint at calling me any type of arachnid.
 

KarenMarie

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I am old.

when I grew up, ppl called orientals, slopes, and black ppl spooks and asians dot heads and they did not do it out of hate or insult.

I remember being 10 years old and playing stickball and when choosing sides it was like... We'll take the spook, you take the fat kid, we'll take the jew, you take Johnnie.

That kind of thing will get an ass kicking or hate crime charge now.
 

LtPage1

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Originally posted by: Zee
absolutely. physical repercussion is the only solution to such acts of verbal violence.

You should see me go wild when someone dares to even hint at calling me any type of arachnid.

zing.

No way. Dueling went out of fashion when people started realizing that a man's honor was worth less than his life, and the same principle applies here. Hurting someone because they called you a name is childish and incredibly stupid. To be mature enough to ignore insults, no matter how hurtful and malicious, is part of being an adult. Suck it up and get over yourself.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: LtPage1
Originally posted by: Zee
absolutely. physical repercussion is the only solution to such acts of verbal violence.

You should see me go wild when someone dares to even hint at calling me any type of arachnid.

zing.

No way. Dueling went out of fashion when people started realizing that a man's honor was worth less than his life, and the same principle applies here. Hurting someone because they called you a name is childish and incredibly stupid. To be mature enough to ignore insults, no matter how hurtful and malicious, is part of being an adult. Suck it up and get over yourself.

Yup. Any kind of Ego-busting comment does not warrant violence, but it often results in violence.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Syringer
Is violence automatically justified when a racial epithet is used?


Of course not. That doesn't mean I'd never do it, I'm human just like anyone else. But I'd be under no illusion that it's the right thing to do.
 

PBMangan

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Some guy referred to me as a stupid mc, I puched him in the throat ... in retrospect I should have head butted him, or both. If someone uses a racial epithet they are looking for trouble. so either reciever turns the other cheek or freaks either way it doesn't mater.
 
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There was a thread some time ago where Amused and Classy wound up arguing about this topic at length, I wish I could find it.

Amused and Classy arguing doesn't exactly narrow it down, unfortunately. ;)
 

olds

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
There was a thread some time ago where Amused and Classy wound up arguing about this topic at length, I wish I could find it.

Amused and Classy arguing doesn't exactly narrow it down, unfortunately. ;)

Leave it to a redneck, shotgun toting whitey to say that.
 

wetcat007

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I've seen people try to use such a justification for attacking someone on the show Cops a few times(whether it be racial slurs or even just name calling), of course doesn't really help them out. It comes down to this, you can maybe sue someone for harassment for name calling, but physically attacking them is something you will goto jail for. Only a physical attack on oneself justifies an physical attack(self defense).
 

bunnyfubbles

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"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

the only time physical violence is justifiable is in defense against physical violence...
 

SpunkyJones

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Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

the only time physical violence is justifiable is in defense against physical violence...

:thumbsup:
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
There was a thread some time ago where Amused and Classy wound up arguing about this topic at length, I wish I could find it.

Amused and Classy arguing doesn't exactly narrow it down, unfortunately. ;)

Leave it to a redneck, shotgun toting whitey to say that.

:D
 
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Well a person resorting to violence because of being called a (insert racial term) only re-enforces the fact that they are a (insert racial term).
 

mugs

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Someone who uses a racial slur in a hateful way is in dire need of a beatdown. It's not about the word, it's about the feelings behind it.

But on the other hand, it's best to be the better man and walk away.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: PBMangan
Some guy referred to me as a stupid mc, I puched him in the throat ... in retrospect I should have head butted him, or both. If someone uses a racial epithet they are looking for trouble. so either reciever turns the other cheek or freaks either way it doesn't mater.

Well it doesn't matter for the punchee, but if the puncher gets arrested and possibly convicted of assault, he now has to check that little box on every loan, school and job application for the rest of his life. Smart move. Basically if someone calls you a stupid X and you physically assault them, you've just proven them right.
 

Wheezer

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Originally posted by: mugs
Someone who uses a racial slur in a hateful way is in dire need of a beatdown. It's not about the word, it's about the feelings behind it.

gee, if I am a white guy who defines the term ni**er as a black man who wears his pants down around his knees, talks like a rapping thug, and follows a hip-hop lifestyle as portrayed so predominantly on BET....and I use that term on you do you have the right to give me a "beatdown?"

after all, when you do, all you will do is re-enforce what I already believe, and that belief stems from what is portrayed so gloriously on channels such as BET and MTV. If that is my only exposure to black culture, and I see you walking down the sidewalk dressed, talking and acting in such a way, it's logical to conclude that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.......

If you don't want to be a duck.....don't act and look like one.

am I justifying racial slurs?

no, but I am saying they stem from somewhere, and since this culture is so prevalent it only perpetuates the idea to those that already believe.

and no, just because I call you a ni**ger does not mean you have the right to strike me, if you do you are a moron......

#1- you'll probably get arrested and thrown in jail

#2 how do you know I am not an HIV infected bigot who has nothing to loose, as soon as you hit me and draw blood you put yourself at risk.....is it worth it just because I offended you with some words?

guess who will have the last laugh.
 

sao123

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I favor swift and sever retribution for all injustices.
When the entire world cowers in fear, it is generall a safer place.

When everyone is happy and complacent, sudden destruction comes.