Is Verizon FIOS Telephone service technicaly VOIP

[PlatinumGold]

Is Verizon FIOS Telephone service technicaly VOIP or not?


i currently have Verizon FIOS Telephone service. Verizons literature calls it POTS, but seriously, sure inside the house, it looks like pots, it smells like pots and it acts like pots. but is it really?


from the phone, the signal goes to a Optical Network Terminal (ONT), this ONT then sends the signal to a gateway at Verizon where the data portions of the signal is sent to the Internet and the Voice portion of the signal is sent to the PSTN.


so, what i'm wondering is, since the addressing of the ONT is on the Network Layer, is it technically VOIP even tho it never goes thru the internet.


moved to gadgets gear and phones. -DrPizza

 

[ElFenix]

it's digital, i dunno if it ever travels by internet protocol, tho. it sure as hell isn't analog pots.

 

[skyking]

If the power fails at your end, it will only last as long as the internal battery backup. I consider anything that does not keep running during a power outage 'viop'.

 

[BigJ]

They say it's Digital POTS. WTF that means I have no idea.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BigJ
They say it's Digital POTS. WTF that means I have no idea.

All of your phone calls are carried digitally once they hit the telcos switches anyway.

I don't know much about Verizons voice, but the voice just probably runs on a different channel. It's still digital, but on a different wavelength on the fiber or carried as a subchannel on the same frequency/wavelength.

 

[intogamer]

Possibility. But VOIP = Voice over Internet Protocol and voice is turned into data packets and routed through internet

Voice over Fios would be a bit different as isn't exactly though the internet?

 

[BHeemsoth]

It most likely isn't VOIP, as I don't believe it ever uses IP as it's Network Layer (L3) Protocol. However, it certainly isn't POTS either. "Digital POTS" sounds like some made up buzz word.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
It most likely isn't VOIP, as I don't believe it ever uses IP as it's Network Layer (L3) Protocol. However, it certainly isn't POTS either. "Digital POTS" sounds like some made up buzz word.

no, it's not POTS, but POTS is the easiest way to explain it to non technical people, because it is as close to POTS as we will see in the digital age.

having said that.


it isn't IP as it isn't network layer, but i don't think it is purely physical layer either as there are 8 ONT's (houses with FIOS) per strand of Fiber. dividing the 1 beam of light to 8 different locations means you have to do some kind of addressing beyond what happens on the physical layer right?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: intogamer
Possibility. But VOIP = Voice over Internet Protocol and voice is turned into data packets and routed through internet

Voice over Fios would be a bit different as isn't exactly though the internet?

actually, comcast / cablevision (and as far as i know most cable companies) basically do the same thing with their phone services, they aren't really VOIP as they aren't dependent upon the IP addressing scheme.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
It most likely isn't VOIP, as I don't believe it ever uses IP as it's Network Layer (L3) Protocol. However, it certainly isn't POTS either. "Digital POTS" sounds like some made up buzz word.

no, it's not POTS, but POTS is the easiest way to explain it to non technical people, because it is as close to POTS as we will see in the digital age.

having said that.


it isn't IP as it isn't network layer, but i don't think it is purely physical layer either as there are 8 ONT's (houses with FIOS) per strand of Fiber. dividing the 1 beam of light to 8 different locations means you have to do some kind of addressing beyond what happens on the physical layer right?

Network Layer is Layer 3 - IP. You're still stuck in layer1/2 for addressing.

And what is to say you can't just use different lambas (wavelengths) to each ONT? That's still L1.

AKAIK FIOS and cable voice offerings are NOT VOIP, but just digital voice.

 

[intogamer]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: intogamer
Possibility. But VOIP = Voice over Internet Protocol and voice is turned into data packets and routed through internet

Voice over Fios would be a bit different as isn't exactly though the internet?

actually, comcast / cablevision (and as far as i know most cable companies) basically do the same thing with their phone services, they aren't really VOIP as they aren't dependent upon the IP addressing scheme.

It isn't offically POTS then. I believe when VZ Fios is installed POTS is ripped out of the house. But Fios over Voice is converted to POTS (telephone jack) for phones to work properly, which I would suspect.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
It most likely isn't VOIP, as I don't believe it ever uses IP as it's Network Layer (L3) Protocol. However, it certainly isn't POTS either. "Digital POTS" sounds like some made up buzz word.

no, it's not POTS, but POTS is the easiest way to explain it to non technical people, because it is as close to POTS as we will see in the digital age.

having said that.


it isn't IP as it isn't network layer, but i don't think it is purely physical layer either as there are 8 ONT's (houses with FIOS) per strand of Fiber. dividing the 1 beam of light to 8 different locations means you have to do some kind of addressing beyond what happens on the physical layer right?

Network Layer is Layer 3 - IP. You're still stuck in layer1/2 for addressing.

And what is to say you can't just use different lambas (wavelengths) to each ONT? That's still L1.

AKAIK FIOS and cable voice offerings are NOT VOIP, but just digital voice.

with fios, i know that we can reset the ONT from the call center. this level of control implies network layer no?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
It most likely isn't VOIP, as I don't believe it ever uses IP as it's Network Layer (L3) Protocol. However, it certainly isn't POTS either. "Digital POTS" sounds like some made up buzz word.

no, it's not POTS, but POTS is the easiest way to explain it to non technical people, because it is as close to POTS as we will see in the digital age.

having said that.


it isn't IP as it isn't network layer, but i don't think it is purely physical layer either as there are 8 ONT's (houses with FIOS) per strand of Fiber. dividing the 1 beam of light to 8 different locations means you have to do some kind of addressing beyond what happens on the physical layer right?

Network Layer is Layer 3 - IP. You're still stuck in layer1/2 for addressing.

And what is to say you can't just use different lambas (wavelengths) to each ONT? That's still L1.

AKAIK FIOS and cable voice offerings are NOT VOIP, but just digital voice.

with fios, i know that we can reset the ONT from the call center. this level of control implies network layer no?

Why would it? That doesn't make any sense.

Your control plane protocols may operate at layer2 or layer3, but these are strictly control plane, not data plane. Or even layer1.

-edit-
I think you need to pay more attention while you're still in training.

 

[Imdmn04]

Depends on the protocol that is run on the fiber.

Fiber is just a medium, it can carry DS0 (TDM voice) signals, or data (VOIP). The former is circuit switching based technology (emulated on fiber), the latter is packet switching based technology.

More likely than not, it is a dedicated data circuit that carries VOIP data, it would be the most likely and sensible option in this day and age. Lots of the PSTN backbone already use VOIP anyways. I know Comcast implements their phone service this way, but they do not use the word VOIP in their marketing literature.

 

[intogamer]

VOIP is just protocol. Verizon/Comcast/Cablevision's digital voice does not route as "digital" internet protocol data. Instead it is carried out though "digitally" in a different process.

Similar? but not exactly the same?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rpbri2886
It most likely isn't VOIP, as I don't believe it ever uses IP as it's Network Layer (L3) Protocol. However, it certainly isn't POTS either. "Digital POTS" sounds like some made up buzz word.

no, it's not POTS, but POTS is the easiest way to explain it to non technical people, because it is as close to POTS as we will see in the digital age.

having said that.


it isn't IP as it isn't network layer, but i don't think it is purely physical layer either as there are 8 ONT's (houses with FIOS) per strand of Fiber. dividing the 1 beam of light to 8 different locations means you have to do some kind of addressing beyond what happens on the physical layer right?

Network Layer is Layer 3 - IP. You're still stuck in layer1/2 for addressing.

And what is to say you can't just use different lambas (wavelengths) to each ONT? That's still L1.

AKAIK FIOS and cable voice offerings are NOT VOIP, but just digital voice.

with fios, i know that we can reset the ONT from the call center. this level of control implies network layer no?

Why would it? That doesn't make any sense.

Your control plane protocols may operate at layer2 or layer3, but these are strictly control plane, not data plane. Or even layer1.

-edit-
I think you need to pay more attention while you're still in training.

not really, we aren't covering any of this in class. as far as verizon is concerned, their phone service is NOT VOIP and there is no other discussion.

i had always believed it to be VOIP before starting this job. hence the question here. if it is VOIP, verizon will never tell me it is, but after seeing their basic diagram of how the signal is carried from home to the gateway, i'm no longer convinced it is any form of voip.

the question is posed by Imdmn04 above, is it circuit switched or packet switched.

Imdmn04, packet switched implies data layer right? circuit switched would be physical layer?

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: intogamer

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: intogamer
Possibility. But VOIP = Voice over Internet Protocol and voice is turned into data packets and routed through internet

Voice over Fios would be a bit different as isn't exactly though the internet?

actually, comcast / cablevision (and as far as i know most cable companies) basically do the same thing with their phone services, they aren't really VOIP as they aren't dependent upon the IP addressing scheme.

It isn't offically POTS then. I believe when VZ Fios is installed POTS is ripped out of the house. But Fios over Voice is converted to POTS (telephone jack) for phones to work properly, which I would suspect.

The old copper lines are not ripped out. At least not where I work. You may not be able to get DSL though once fios is offered.

The ONT converts from fiber to copper. Up to 4 phone lines lines per ONT/fiber. cool eh?
1 drop can give HDTV, internet, and 4 phone lines. If you want a static IP you need a second drop. or that is what they sell anyway.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: intogamer

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: intogamer
Possibility. But VOIP = Voice over Internet Protocol and voice is turned into data packets and routed through internet

Voice over Fios would be a bit different as isn't exactly though the internet?

actually, comcast / cablevision (and as far as i know most cable companies) basically do the same thing with their phone services, they aren't really VOIP as they aren't dependent upon the IP addressing scheme.

It isn't offically POTS then. I believe when VZ Fios is installed POTS is ripped out of the house. But Fios over Voice is converted to POTS (telephone jack) for phones to work properly, which I would suspect.

The old copper lines are not ripped out. At least not where I work. You may not be able to get DSL though once fios is offered.

The ONT converts from fiber to copper. Up to 4 phone lines lines per ONT/fiber. cool eh?
1 drop can give HDTV, internet, and 4 phone lines. If you want a static IP you need a second drop. or that is what they sell anyway.

the verizon rule is, to rip the copper out, not obviously out of the inside of the house, but copper from house to street is ripped out.

 

[intogamer]

OT: But do you get assigned to one IP (just like cable) or it gets reassigned a new one (DSL)

 

[Rubycon]

The reverse of POTS is STOP. Hmmm...

There's lots of digital voice that's not using IP. Even if it was VOIP it's on a private subnet that's not routed anywhere near the internet.

I do find the quality of analog calls better particularly on wireless systems. Some carriers <cough>digicel<cough> use compression that sounds worse than a 4kbps real file. So even when the signal is good it sounds like people are inside a bucket. :| Compressed any more and it would be like talking to Charlie Brown's teacher. :laugh:

 

[intogamer]

Originally posted by: Rubycon
The reverse of POTS is STOP. Hmmm...

There's lots of digital voice that's not using IP. Even if it was VOIP it's on a private subnet that's not routed anywhere near the internet.

I do find the quality of analog calls better particularly on wireless systems. Some carriers <cough>digicel<cough> use compression that sounds worse than a 4kbps real file. So even when the signal is good it sounds like people are inside a bucket. :| Compressed any more and it would be like talking to Charlie Brown's teacher. :laugh:

Yes. AT&T is half rate (forgot the term) and T-Mobile is full.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
not really, we aren't covering any of this in class. as far as verizon is concerned, their phone service is NOT VOIP and there is no other discussion.

i had always believed it to be VOIP before starting this job. hence the question here. if it is VOIP, verizon will never tell me it is, but after seeing their basic diagram of how the signal is carried from home to the gateway, i'm no longer convinced it is any form of voip.

the question is posed by Imdmn04 above, is it circuit switched or packet switched.

Imdmn04, packet switched implies data layer right? circuit switched would be physical layer?

It is my understanding that all of these digital services (Comcast Digital Voice, FIOS, etc) are packet switched, so they would be a VoIP implementation with its own protocol.

 

[kranky]

FWIW, the FIOS mailing I just got yesterday says in the fine print "Non-IP voice service comes with up to 8 hours battery backup."

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: kranky
FWIW, the FIOS mailing I just got yesterday says in the fine print "Non-IP voice service comes with up to 8 hours battery backup."

that's the one thing that scares me about these new lines... the old copper lines could be usabled w/ a corded phone through almost anything. We've had ice storms that have knocked out power for 3-4 days before. 8hrs isn't going to cut it... assuming when it happens the battery is even up to par.

yes, it's a rare situation, but it's always the one thing that worries me about dropping our land line.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: intogamer

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: intogamer
Possibility. But VOIP = Voice over Internet Protocol and voice is turned into data packets and routed through internet

Voice over Fios would be a bit different as isn't exactly though the internet?

actually, comcast / cablevision (and as far as i know most cable companies) basically do the same thing with their phone services, they aren't really VOIP as they aren't dependent upon the IP addressing scheme.

It isn't offically POTS then. I believe when VZ Fios is installed POTS is ripped out of the house. But Fios over Voice is converted to POTS (telephone jack) for phones to work properly, which I would suspect.

The old copper lines are not ripped out. At least not where I work. You may not be able to get DSL though once fios is offered.

The ONT converts from fiber to copper. Up to 4 phone lines lines per ONT/fiber. cool eh?
1 drop can give HDTV, internet, and 4 phone lines. If you want a static IP you need a second drop. or that is what they sell anyway.

the verizon rule is, to rip the copper out, not obviously out of the inside of the house, but copper from house to street is ripped out.

What state? In Texas this is totally false. We even have to repair copper drops that we cut...