Originally posted by: ProfJohn
How do we fight AQ in Iraq if we leave?
Just like we did this past January in Somalia - from the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
How do we fight AQ in Iraq if we leave?
Well said Prof. I sincerely doubt most of these people even understand your point.. They have chosen to ignore that very point every time they beg for our withdrawal.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again, if you want to leave Iraq because 100 Americans died there last month then go ahead and make that argument. But if you want to leave Iraq because too many Iraqis are dying then provide me proof that our leaving will result in less Iraqis dying.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Well said Prof. I sincerely doubt most of these people even understand your point.. They have chosen to ignore that very point every time they beg for our withdrawal.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again, if you want to leave Iraq because 100 Americans died there last month then go ahead and make that argument. But if you want to leave Iraq because too many Iraqis are dying then provide me proof that our leaving will result in less Iraqis dying.
Like I said above, based on their ignorance of that point, I can only conclude that it's not the deaths of iraqi civilians that really matter to them. Instead, all they really care about is getting the ugly pictures off of the evening news.
The irony, of course, is that if we DO pull out prematurely, the news is still going to show the ugly pictures... and they are going to get even UGLIER! DOH!
then what? When our withdrawal leads to 1000 Iraqis dead every day, rather than 100, how will the world solve that problem?
The anti's have no answer for that - except for a small number of them who may admit that they really don't care about the dead Iraqis.
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Well said Prof. I sincerely doubt most of these people even understand your point.. They have chosen to ignore that very point every time they beg for our withdrawal.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Again, if you want to leave Iraq because 100 Americans died there last month then go ahead and make that argument. But if you want to leave Iraq because too many Iraqis are dying then provide me proof that our leaving will result in less Iraqis dying.
Like I said above, based on their ignorance of that point, I can only conclude that it's not the deaths of iraqi civilians that really matter to them. Instead, all they really care about is getting the ugly pictures off of the evening news.
The irony, of course, is that if we DO pull out prematurely, the news is still going to show the ugly pictures... and they are going to get even UGLIER! DOH!
then what? When our withdrawal leads to 1000 Iraqis dead every day, rather than 100, how will the world solve that problem?
The anti's have no answer for that - except for a small number of them who may admit that they really don't care about the dead Iraqis.
I have many in depth answers, all of which go unchallenged.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Red Dawn---who points out---I never pretended to give a fsck about the Iraqis. I care about them as much as they care about us.
I hate to tell you Red Dawn--you better start caring---cause GWB&co. have bet the farm on Iraq.
And if Iraq keeps going the way its going---sooner or later its going total civil war that will spill far past Iraqi borders---which means de oil patch that keep all the world industrial economies going. And if the oil supply is severely restricted--we could be talking about $20.00 a gallon gas or higher in a few minutes as oil speculators push the price up through the roof---which would then result in economic collapse and worldwide depression at the very minimum worldwide---
Just thought a brief reminder on what the stakes are in this little poker game we let GWB&co. start.
Which is why I advocate impeaching the mistaken and clueless GWB&co so we can get a good policy before its too late. And WE better care.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I have an answer for Iraq: start a draft and put 750,000 US troops in, secure all of the borders, secure the infrastructure, and start disarming their entire population...completely! At the same time, I want to see France, Germany, Russia, and China bring in $1 billion in food PER DAY for the Iraqi people (our troops can secure the treatments).
If they want to see a real fvckin "occupation," we'll give 'em one!
The problems: NO politician is willing to make this happen and take the steps necessary to solve the problems of Iraq... not a single g'damn one of them, including Bush & Co. Second, I believe that 50-55% of the US population is too chicken-sh*t soft to go through with it and actually make the necessary sacrifices.
therefore, we have a stalemate. On one hand, we can stay there for a while, bleeding slowly, and hope and dream for a secure Iraqi democracy (yay!). On the other hand, we can pull out quickly and let them tear eachother to pieces for another decade or two...or three...or... (my guess: Total body count of dead Iraqi's will approach 5-10 million, and the battles will reach the borders of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Syria...etc)
And all because Rumsfeld was an idiot, Bush is gutless, and the rest of you are p*ssies.
Swell.
The "p*ssies" are those who would refuse to make the sacrifices necessary to create a stable Iraq using the plan I laid out in the first paragraph... to date, nobody beyond the troops and their families have made ANY personal sacrifices in the GWOT or Iraq specifically; thus, I suspect that at least 55% of our nation would puss out of any sacrifices asked of them in the future.Originally posted by: dahunan
BTW, don't call people p*ssies who don't think wars like this solve anything. It really makes you look like less of a man when you choose to stoop to Rush Limbaugh level
Originally posted by: palehorse74
The "p*ssies" are those who would refuse to make the sacrifices necessary to create a stable Iraq using the plan I laid out in the first paragraph... to date, nobody beyond the troops and their families have made ANY personal sacrifices in GWOT or Iraq specifically; thus, I suspect that at least 55% of our nation would puss out of any sacrifices asked of them in the future.Originally posted by: dahunan
BTW, don't call people p*ssies who don't think wars like this solve anything. It really makes you look like less of a man when you choose to stoop to Rush Limbaugh level
And no, putting a "Support the Troops" bumper sticker on your car does not constitute sacrifice; nor does the extra 50 cents you spend at the pump. For anyone who wants to see what genuine sacrifice is all about, I suggest you study WWII.
Until this entire nation is willing to make some sacrifices, I do believe the people of Iraq are screwed - and all of this is true regardless of whose fault it was in the first place!
When the p*ssies finally get their way, and we withdraw from Iraq prematurely - instead of sending in 600,000 more troops - you will see just how screwed the people of Iraq become.
If you think the bloodshed is bad now, you're in for a fvckin' wake-up call. The bodies just might stack to the heavens when you are finished pulling out the only troops who stand between the Iraqis and a total massacre <--- that would be us.
yay.
I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone here specifically... but I see you can't resist doing so. GG!Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think you're the p*ssy. Too afraid to face the truth. The truth that Iraq is a clusterfsck beyond all repair. Own up.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone here specifically... but I see you can't resist doing so. GG!Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think you're the p*ssy. Too afraid to face the truth. The truth that Iraq is a clusterfsck beyond all repair. Own up.
that said, I also believe that you are wrong. We COULD fix what we broke in Iraq, but more than half of our country is too pussified to step up and get it done.
So, if the shoe fits...
uhh... ya. great rebuttal.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone here specifically... but I see you can't resist doing so. GG!Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think you're the p*ssy. Too afraid to face the truth. The truth that Iraq is a clusterfsck beyond all repair. Own up.
that said, I also believe that you are wrong. We COULD fix what we broke in Iraq, but more than half of our country is too pussified to step up and get it done.
So, if the shoe fits...
Yeah, I guess you should wear it proudly.
ok.. so... we've established how you feel about Bush, and where you place all the blame - shocker - what next?Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The truth is the pussies are the chickenhawk neocons SOB's who rushed us into this war with no real plans except making lots of money off of it. It was bascially "Mission: Impossible" from the get-go, and thats why Bush Sr. never went after Saddam in the first gulf war.
"Shock and awe" are great, but it only gets you so far. It takes commiment, sacrafice, and plannng. Things Bush Jr. doesn't even have a clue about. Hell, Jimmy Carter could have did a lot better job then Bush did.
When the "p*ssies" finally get their way, and we withdraw from Iraq prematurely ...
Originally posted by: palehorse74
ok.. so... we've established how you feel about Bush, and where you place all the blame - shocker - what next?Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
The truth is the pussies are the chickenhawk neocons SOB's who rushed us into this war with no real plans except making lots of money off of it. It was bascially "Mission: Impossible" from the get-go, and thats why Bush Sr. never went after Saddam in the first gulf war.
"Shock and awe" are great, but it only gets you so far. It takes commiment, sacrafice, and plannng. Things Bush Jr. doesn't even have a clue about. Hell, Jimmy Carter could have did a lot better job then Bush did.
You guys are amusing me. You are trying to frame the argument in a specific light in order to make an argument that works for your side.
One has to consider everything, the deaths of innocents are tragic, BUT the deaths of our own AND the cost of the war needs to be considered. We've been sacraficing our kids for 4 years, has it helped? I believe if anything it's worse then it ever was. That alone should make you start questioning our strategy.
How do you know that we aren't the ones enabling the violence. There an occupied country, if someone was occupying us wouldn't you be resentful and fight back in anyway you could?
I think if we did a staged withdrawl and the Iraqi's knew well in advance that they were going to be on there own that they would be more willing, maybe even forced to work things out. As long as were there to enforce the general peace the more the radical elements are free to work behind the scenes killing both us and each other.
Whatever happens the current strategy isn't working and how anyone can blindly support continuing the current satus quo is beyond me?
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhh... ya. great rebuttal.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone here specifically... but I see you can't resist doing so. GG!Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think you're the p*ssy. Too afraid to face the truth. The truth that Iraq is a clusterfsck beyond all repair. Own up.
that said, I also believe that you are wrong. We COULD fix what we broke in Iraq, but more than half of our country is too pussified to step up and get it done.
So, if the shoe fits...
Yeah, I guess you should wear it proudly.
derrr...
lol... my chance to step up? do you have any idea where I am?Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: palehorse74
uhh... ya. great rebuttal.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone here specifically... but I see you can't resist doing so. GG!Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think you're the p*ssy. Too afraid to face the truth. The truth that Iraq is a clusterfsck beyond all repair. Own up.
that said, I also believe that you are wrong. We COULD fix what we broke in Iraq, but more than half of our country is too pussified to step up and get it done.
So, if the shoe fits...
Yeah, I guess you should wear it proudly.
derrr...
I was just thinking, we're halfway through another year and your still here posting
Waiting these years to get your chance to step up must be driving you insane
Can't you switch places with some of those other guys on their 4th tour already
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ok Lemon, Bush leaves office tomorrow? now what do we do?
All your ideas about the war and just about anything else in this country start with Bush being removed. So let?s pretend that Bush IS gone, now what?
The President is in charge of the armed forces; I'm curious why you blame 150 million Americans for the leadership of one person?Originally posted by: palehorse74
We COULD fix what we broke in Iraq, but more than half of our country is too pussified to step up and get it done.
