Is Trump's allegation of fraud in mail in voting self-defeating?

[woolfe9998]

Interesting article on CNN:

GOP to Trump: Change tune on mail-in voting or risk ugly November

Republican officials throughout the country are reacting with growing alarm to President Donald Trump's attacks on mail-in ballots, saying his unsubstantiated claims of mass voting fraud are already corroding the views of GOP voters, who may ultimately choose not to vote at all if they can't...

www.cnn.com

A bunch of GOP strategists and pollsters are begging the White House to stop claiming that mail-in ballots are going to be tampered with. Because dem voters aren't believing a word he's saying, but GOP voters are taking it seriously. Meaning GOP voters are not clamoring to vote by mail this year. The theory is that a certain percentage of those people who would otherwise have voted for Trump by mail, will for one reason or another not show up on election day. Maybe because they got held up by something important that day, or long lines, concerns about COVID, being elderly and/or immobile, etc.

One poll showed that 85% of planned mail in voters in one state are Biden voters. Part of this is likely because dems are more concerned about COVID, but some of it may well be due to Trump's calling the integrity of mail-in ballots into question.

Is limiting your own party to only one method of voting through this kind of messaging a good electoral strategy? Is this latest Trump bullshit going to backfire on Trump and the entire down ballot GOP this year? I certainly hope so. It would be poetic justice.

 

[dawp]

that's the beauty of it, he thinks he's propping himself up when in actuality he hurting himself in a lot of what he does, too bad others pay the price for his shenanigans.

 

[dank69]

I'm sure Trump will weigh his options carefully and choose the best path forward.

 

[Grooveriding]

Self-defeat is Trump's speciality.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Interesting article on CNN:

GOP to Trump: Change tune on mail-in voting or risk ugly November

Republican officials throughout the country are reacting with growing alarm to President Donald Trump's attacks on mail-in ballots, saying his unsubstantiated claims of mass voting fraud are already corroding the views of GOP voters, who may ultimately choose not to vote at all if they can't...

www.cnn.com

A bunch of GOP strategists and pollsters are begging the White House to stop claiming that mail-in ballots are going to be tampered with. Because dem voters aren't believing a word he's saying, but GOP voters are taking it seriously. Meaning GOP voters are not clamoring to vote by mail this year. The theory is that a certain percentage of those people who would otherwise have voted for Trump by mail, will for one reason or another not show up on election day. Maybe because they got held up by something important that day, or long lines, concerns about COVID, being elderly and/or immobile, etc.

One poll showed that 85% of planned mail in voters in one state are Biden voters. Part of this is likely because dems are more concerned about COVID, but some of it may well be due to Trump's calling the integrity of mail-in ballots into question.

Is limiting your own party to only one method of voting through this kind of messaging a good electoral strategy? Is this latest Trump bullshit going to backfire on Trump and the entire down ballot GOP this year? I certainly hope so. It would be poetic justice.

I've never quite understood his argument anyway. I can pay my taxes by mail, but voting is too complex?

 

[woolfe9998]

I've never quite understood his argument anyway. I can pay my taxes by mail, but voting is too complex?

He isn't saying it's "complex." He's saying he expects, without evidence, that it will be used for widespread "voter fraud." Remember when it was all about "in person voter fraud" which is why we supposedly needed those ID laws? Well now apparently it's mail in voting that is the problem. There is ONE example to bolster his position, though: republicans tried to get away with phonying up mail-in voter forms to help elect Harris to Congress in North Carolina in 2018. Other than that, there don't seem to be any other known examples.

The amusing thing here is that conservative voters seem to think that they can't trust mail in voting now and are not planning to vote by mail. LOL what a bunch of maroons.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Possibly may backfire, but not gonna lie, what scares me more is in-person voter intimidation measures (specifically off-duty cops doing the bidding of the GOP, literally pulling legitimate voters out of line for bullshit):

The Plot Against America: The GOP's Plan to Suppress the Vote and Sabotage the Election

Voter suppression, intimidation, and misinformation are at the heart of Donald Trump's 2020 campaign.

www.rollingstone.com

I simultaneously can't and yet totally believe that shit is legal. I hope there are fucktons of voting rights lawyers tamping down on that shit.

 

[woolfe9998]

Possibly may backfire, but not gonna lie, what scares me more is in-person voter intimidation measures (specifically off-duty cops doing the bidding of the GOP, literally pulling legitimate voters out of line for bullshit):

The Plot Against America: The GOP's Plan to Suppress the Vote and Sabotage the Election

Voter suppression, intimidation, and misinformation are at the heart of Donald Trump's 2020 campaign.

www.rollingstone.com

I simultaneously can't and yet totally believe that shit is legal. I hope there are fucktons of voting rights lawyers tamping down on that shit.

I read somewhere recently that this GOP practice of having thugs patrol certain specific polling places dates back to the Reagan years.

As to the legalities, they can probably legally just stand and give people intimidating looks so long as they aren't armed and aren't saying things to dissuade people from voting. If they are smart, they will stay just barely on the legal side of the line.

 

[hal2kilo]

I read somewhere recently that this GOP practice of having thugs patrol certain specific polling places dates back to the Reagan years.

As to the legalities, they can probably legally just stand and give people intimidating looks so long as they aren't armed and aren't saying things to dissuade people from voting. If they are smart, they will stay just barely on the legal side of the line.

They would never go so low.

Brooks Brothers riot

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SMOGZINN]

He isn't saying it's "complex." He's saying he expects, without evidence, that it will be used for widespread "voter fraud." Remember when it was all about "in person voter fraud" which is why we supposedly needed those ID laws? Well now apparently it's mail in voting that is the problem. There is ONE example to bolster his position, though: republicans tried to get away with phonying up mail-in voter forms to help elect Harris to Congress in North Carolina in 2018. Other than that, there don't seem to be any other known examples.

The amusing thing here is that conservative voters seem to think that they can't trust mail in voting now and are not planning to vote by mail. LOL what a bunch of maroons.

I didn't mean complex as in too complex to figure out how to vote, but they seem to think it is too complex for us to figure out how to do it securely.

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't mean complex as in too complex to figure out how to vote, but they seem to think it is too complex for us to figure out how to do it securely.

They're lying. 5 states prove that vote by mail works just fine. They don't have to invent anything. Just use the same safeguards & methods that we do. We're glad to help.

 

[woolfe9998]

They're lying. 5 states prove that vote by mail works just fine. They don't have to invent anything. Just use the same safeguards & methods that we do. We're glad to help.

Five states have "all mail" elections. Several states like CA allow county by county when the county decides to do it. Been voting by mail here for the last several cycles.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Five states have "all mail" elections. Several states like CA allow county by county when the county decides to do it. Been voting by mail here for the last several cycles.

Don't we also have no-excuse mail-in voting?

 

[senseamp]

I never voted in person in California, registered as permanent absentee. No issues.

 

[Fenixgoon]

They're lying. 5 states prove that vote by mail works just fine. They don't have to invent anything. Just use the same safeguards & methods that we do. We're glad to help.

considering driver's licenses, social security cards, and other sensitive pieces of information are all transferred by mail, one would think the system is fairly robust and secure.

 

[woolfe9998]

Don't we also have no-excuse mail-in voting?

If that means you can get a mail in ballot by request even if you're in a county that doesn't send them out to everyone, I think the answer is yes.

But also, this year the governor has ordered that all voters in the state receive them.

 

[snoopy7548]

Here in MA, we now have no-excuse mail-in voting. I got an application in the mail yesterday which allows me to vote by mail in the primary and general elections. Going to do both!

 

[K1052]

Here in MA, we now have no-excuse mail-in voting. I got an application in the mail yesterday which allows me to vote by mail in the primary and general elections. Going to do both!

Most of the country has it or will soon. There is really no good reason not to do basically all voting by mail with some in person voting available near Election Day.