Is this what you voted for when you voted Bush?

[acemcmac]

He also acknowledged that some Canadians don't like his administration's stance on Iraq, but [President Bush] pointed out: "We just had a poll in our country that decided that the foreign policy in our country should stay in place for four more years."

cbc.ca article

Grumble grumble, "moral values" voters, grumble grumble.... :|

Glad we ratified the policies of our group of compromising, teambuilding, honest, good-neighbor leaders.

All the rest of the world ever asked of us was the truth. We couldn't even give them that. Instead we went to war without everyone else because of some mysterious "clear and present danger" which turned out to be nothing but hogwash. And we wonder why the rest of the world "disagrees" with us. My support: Colin Powell's UN speech and his comments during the spring '04 graduation ceremonies about "doing the right thing."

Edited: because some people don't understand the analogy of "red vs blue" and would rather pick at my words

 

[theblackbox]

i live in the US, not the rest of the world. I voted libertarian, and didn't put a thought into what canada thought.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: theblackbox
i live in the US, not the rest of the world. I voted libertarian, and didn't put a thought into what canada thought.

it's not a matter of what just one country thinks. it's a matter of what our worldwide economic partners think and the attitudes they will hold against us as the United States looses its role as the leading economic power to the EU and China in the next 20-30 years

 

[Genx87]

I voted republican. I didnt see a red party member, oh wait, I did see john Kerry. Is that what you meant?

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: theblackbox
i live in the US, not the rest of the world. I voted libertarian, and didn't put a thought into what canada thought.

it's not a matter of what just one country thinks. it's a matter of what our worldwide economic partners think and the attitudes they will hold against us as the United States looses its role as the leading economic power to the EU and China in the next 20-30 years

30 years? the world is going to be around that much longer?
i don't think that will ever happen. doesn't matter what we do or what they say, they still love our money and love our lending policy.

 

[yllus]

If the evidence turned out to be hogwash, then UN inspectors are at the forefront of the blame.

I can't help but like the guy - bumbling as he may sometimes be - for having the character to stick to his beliefs and do what he thinks is necessary, be it not the popular choice.

 

[Genx87]

Not to mention Europes economy has been stagnant for some time. China however could become the worlds largest economy in the coming decades. Just imagine the avg wage of a person in China at the US level. but instead of 300 million people you have over 1 billion. That is a shatload of buying power.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: theblackbox
i live in the US, not the rest of the world. I voted libertarian, and didn't put a thought into what canada thought.

it's not a matter of what just one country thinks. it's a matter of what our worldwide economic partners think and the attitudes they will hold against us as the United States looses its role as the leading economic power to the EU and China in the next 20-30 years

30 years? the world is going to be around that much longer?
i don't think that will ever happen. doesn't matter what we do or what they say, they still love our money and love our lending policy.

take an econ class and look at what the defecit is doing to our nation's ability to import goods and the trade deficit and then get back to me. Oh, and the sum of the EU's GDP right now already exceeds that of the US (and is growing faster I believe, check me on that). All they need is a more federal organized constitution, which they're in the process of hammering out as we speak. Think it'll take them 20 years to get the ink dry on that? think again.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not to mention Europes economy has been stagnant for some time. China however could become the worlds largest economy in the coming decades. Just imagine the avg wage of a person in China at the US level. but instead of 300 million people you have over 1 billion. That is a shatload of buying power.

yeah, but their navy sucks, and they have more soldiers then they have weapons,so we could still kick their ass, or at least occupy their country and keep it messed up for a couple of years as we try to get free elections there.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: theblackbox

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not to mention Europes economy has been stagnant for some time. China however could become the worlds largest economy in the coming decades. Just imagine the avg wage of a person in China at the US level. but instead of 300 million people you have over 1 billion. That is a shatload of buying power.

yeah, but their navy sucks, and they have more soldiers then they have weapons,so we could still kick their ass, or at least occupy their country and keep it messed up for a couple of years as we try to get free elections there.

north korea's army is bigger than ours. guns don't feed people. militaries are economic burdens. this isn't all about who can kick who's ass, this is about who can keep a functioning econmy afloat

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Topic Title: Is this what you voted for when you voted Bush?
Topic Summary: Bush quote from his Canada visit

He also acknowledged that some Canadians don't like his administration's stance on Iraq, but [President Bush] pointed out: "We just had a poll in our country that decided that the foreign policy in our country should stay in place for four more years."

cbc.ca article

Grumble grumble, "moral values" voters, grumble grumble.... :|

Glad we ratified the policies of our group of compromising, teambuilding, honest, good-neighbor leaders.

All the rest of the world ever asked of us was the truth. We couldn't even give them that. Instead we went to war without everyone else because of some mysterious "clear and present danger" which turned out to be nothing but hogwash. And we wonder why the rest of the world "disagrees" with us. My support: Colin Powell's UN speech and his comments during the spring '04 graduation ceremonies about "doing the right thing."

Edited: because some people don't understand the analogy of "red vs blue" and would rather pick at my words

Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

You're making ever less sense as time progresses...

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: yllus
If the evidence turned out to be hogwash, then UN inspectors are at the forefront of the blame.

I can't help but like the guy - bumbling as he may sometimes be - for having the character to stick to his beliefs and do what he thinks is necessary, be it not the popular choice.

You still can't comprehend the difference between Blix saying there were WMD unaccounted for and Bush saying Iraq possessed tons of WMD.

Blix told the UN Iraq hadn't accounted for all the WMD they destroyed after the first Gulf War, but he also said this didn't prove they had the WMD. That's why the inspections needed to continue.

There was no threat that required an unprovoked attack by the US.

Instead BUSH CLEARLY LIED by insisting that Iraq had tons of WMD in their possession and planned on using them "in the form of a mushroom cloud" among other complete fabrications.

Give it up already. The entire planet knows there were no WMD in Iraq and Blix never said there were.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

Yes, I'm sure that will happen. :roll:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

You're making ever less sense as time progresses...

Hey, I make as much sense as the Country electing W again, only fair.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

You're making ever less sense as time progresses...

Parodying the Bush administration and their followers.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

Yes, I'm sure that will happen. :roll:

Are you going to deny the closeness between the W and Mexican President Fox? Are you going to deny the 51st State Status given to Mexico? Now it's Canada's turn.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

You're making ever less sense as time progresses...

Hey, I make as much sense as the Country electing W again, only fair.

What kind of ego must it require to assume that 50+% of a country's of-age voters are insensible, but on the other hand YOU know better? You do realize that even those on the left in this forum view you as an extremist on the level of Chicken Little? This is not meant as a flame, but as an honest inquiry. Have you sensed how you've changed?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Ayup, I'm sure Canada will just become another State like Mexico shortly. This is his first trip to Canada as President so it is the beginning of the end for you Canucks. Too bad.

You're making ever less sense as time progresses...

Hey, I make as much sense as the Country electing W again, only fair.

What kind of ego must it require to assume that 50+% of a country's of-age voters are insensible, but on the other hand YOU know better? You do realize that even those on the left in this forum view you as an extremist on the level of Chicken Little? This is not meant as a flame, but as an honest inquiry. Have you sensed how you've changed?

Well I've said I'm open to the Brainwashing that the Religious Radical Right is under, it just hasn't happened yet, sorry.

Must be too many layers of that Tin Foil I piled on over the last few years.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: BBond
Instead BUSH CLEARLY LIED by insisting that Iraq had tons of WMD in their possession and planned on using them "in the form of a mushroom cloud" among other complete fabrications.

In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist' (12).

Pray tell, where do 8500 litres of anthrax, 1000 tons of chemical agents, and several thousand warheads disappear to? Simple paperwork malfunction right? If those weapons are all gone today, it's staring you right in the face that more than one country's administration thought they did exist.

You're right. Even though the words came out of Dr. Blix's mouth, it's all Bush.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well I've said I'm open to the Brainwashing that the Religious Radical Right is under, it just hasn't happened yet, sorry.

Must be too many layers of that Tin Foil I piled on over the last few years.

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond
Instead BUSH CLEARLY LIED by insisting that Iraq had tons of WMD in their possession and planned on using them "in the form of a mushroom cloud" among other complete fabrications.

In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist' (12).

Pray tell, where do 8500 litres of anthrax, 1000 tons of chemical agents, and several thousand warheads disappear to? Simple paperwork malfunction right? If those weapons are all gone today, it's staring you right in the face that more than one country's administration thought they did exist.

You're right. Even though the words came out of Dr. Blix's mouth, it's all Bush.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well I've said I'm open to the Brainwashing that the Religious Radical Right is under, it just hasn't happened yet, sorry.

Must be too many layers of that Tin Foil I piled on over the last few years.

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

You're not a Red State Bush Regime Brainwashee, you wouldn't understand.

 

[Genx87]

take an econ class and look at what the defecit is doing to our nation's ability to import goods and the trade deficit and then get back to me. Oh, and the sum of the EU's GDP right now already exceeds that of the US (and is growing faster I believe, check me on that). All they need is a more federal organized constitution, which they're in the process of hammering out as we speak. Think it'll take them 20 years to get the ink dry on that? think again.

The EU GDP growth for 3rd qtr of 2004 was 1.9% compared to 3.9% for the United States.
EU GDP is estimated at 13.7 Trillion
US GDP is pushing 11.8 Trillion

If you want to complain about deficits the EU is reporting a 4% estimated GDP deficit for 2004. That will actually be higher in actual dollars and percentages than the US will have this year.

Right now with an estimated 420 Billion dollar deficit the US will have a 3.5% deficit to gdp percentage.
Apparently collectively the EU is running a 550 Billion dollar deficit for 2004.

I dont see the doom and gloom threads talking about the end of EU here. Maybe they should startup?!?!?!?

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: BBond
Instead BUSH CLEARLY LIED by insisting that Iraq had tons of WMD in their possession and planned on using them "in the form of a mushroom cloud" among other complete fabrications.

In his speech to the UN Security Council on 27 January 2003, Blix asked awkward 'questions that need to be answered'. On chemical weapons he raised the problem that: 'Some 6,500 chemical bombs containing 1,000 tons of chemical agents and "several thousand" chemical rocket warheads are unaccounted for.... Inspectors found a "laboratory quantity" of thiodiglycol, a precursor of mustard gas.... Iraq has prepared equipment at a chemical plant previously destroyed by the UN....' On biological weapons he said: 'Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of [anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. But Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.' He also warned, ominously, that Iraq's anthrax 'might still exist' (12).

Pray tell, where do 8500 litres of anthrax, 1000 tons of chemical agents, and several thousand warheads disappear to? Simple paperwork malfunction right? If those weapons are all gone today, it's staring you right in the face that more than one country's administration thought they did exist.

You're right. Even though the words came out of Dr. Blix's mouth, it's all Bush.

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Well I've said I'm open to the Brainwashing that the Religious Radical Right is under, it just hasn't happened yet, sorry.

Must be too many layers of that Tin Foil I piled on over the last few years.

What the bloody hell are you talking about?

You're not a Red State Bush Regime Brainwashee, you wouldn't understand.

What in the hell are you talking about? Honestly, I may be from a "Blue State", but you still make no sense.

 

[slyedog]

quoted from a dumb ass lib:
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Hey, I make as much sense as the Country electing W again, only fair.
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W's win is burning the little twisted minds of the lib's. and just wait until 2008. poor libs

 

[dannybin1742]

I can't help but like the guy - bumbling as he may sometimes be - for having the character to stick to his beliefs and do what he thinks is necessary, be it not the popular choice.

this quote makes me sick, yes lets stand behind somone who constantly wrong