Is this true? The Food Stamp Capital of the U.S. is WHITE and REPUBLICAN

[Cozarkian]

The significance of that is what, exactly?

50 years after the passage of the civil rights acts, we still have enormous disparities in education, poverty, housing, employment & incarceration. So we have to ask ourselves why it is so.

If we accept the idea that blacks are not inherently inferior, which I do, we are inevitably led to the conclusion that racism is alive & well. There's no other explanation for it.

A comparison of the Food Stamp v. Population statistics indicates that a disproportionate number of blacks are on food stamps, but that a disproportionate number of hispanics and asians aren't.

I agree that blacks aren't inherently inferior and that racism still exists.
The next question, then, is why do black people suffer so much more heavily from the effects of racism than other minorities? Based on the historical treatment of the Chinese and Japanese, it doesn't seem like we are less racist against them. Further, according to the liberal characterization of anti-illegal immigration sentiment, it is clear we aren't less racist toward hispanics.

If blacks aren't inherently inferior and aren't more heavily targeted by racism, what does that leave as an explanation?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah baby....WHITE REPUBLICANS GET FOOD STAMPS TOO!!!! Fucking hypocrites!

I certainly haven't referenced such people as hypocrites. I just don't understand how they wrap their heads around an ideology whose adherents would knowingly let their kids go hungry, ya know? It doesn't make sense to me, not in this country overflowing with food.

They're welcome to whatever help they get & I'm happy to do the teensy part my govt asks of me to make it happen. God bless 'em.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I certainly haven't referenced such people as hypocrites. I just don't understand how they wrap their heads around an ideology whose adherents would knowingly let their kids go hungry, ya know? It doesn't make sense to me, not in this country overflowing with food.

They're welcome to whatever help they get & I'm happy to do the teensy part my govt asks of me to make it happen. God bless 'em.

It's not about Republicans wanting kids to go hungry as you so dishonestly frame this...it's about SNAP fraud being out of control.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not about Republicans wanting kids to go hungry as you so dishonestly frame this...it's about SNAP fraud being out of control.

Can you tell me where you got the idea that SNAP fraud is 'out of control'?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Can you tell me where you got the idea that SNAP fraud is 'out of control'?

Why...am I wrong?

 

[OutHouse]

Uhh, no. Might want to check the thread title, and your grip on reality, for that matter.

You are hands down the the most stupid poster on this forum. Please move out of my state, you are polluting it with your dumb.

 

[brycejones]

it's about SNAP fraud being out of control.

Your evidence is?

 

[realibrad]

Why...am I wrong?

Oh now, don't deflect. You have made a claim, so its reasonable to get questions for you to back it up.

 

[fskimospy]

Why...am I wrong?

It was a simple question?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It was a simple question?

A GAO study found that 73% of SNAP households were potentially involved in SNAP fraud.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-641

 

[realibrad]

A GAO study found that 73% of SNAP households were potentially involved in SNAP fraud.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-641

Perfect.

I would say though, that the 73% was just potentially, so not confirmed. I'm sure the argument will come in that they were selling the benefits to get money to pay other important bills. Its still breaking the rules though.

 

[fskimospy]

A GAO study found that 73% of SNAP households were potentially involved in SNAP fraud.

http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-641

This is not what they found, which you would know if you read your own links instead of just posting the first thing that you found which you thought confirmed what you already wanted to believe.

Here's what your link actually said:

They found that 73% of SNAP households that were requesting 4 or more replacement cards per year could potentially be involved in some sort of benefits fraud. They identified a little more than 10,000 households for the study (out of a pool of ~1,500,000 households enrolled in SNAP in those states) and found about 7,500 had the 'potential' for fraud. (5% of households) 'Potential' being defined as making a large purchase or a purchase for an even number of dollars. That's a really really wide net they are casting there.

Even if ALL of those households defrauded the government for 100% of their SNAP money that would amount to about 5% of SNAP payments. In reality it is probably much smaller than that, considering how generous my assumptions were right there.

So yeah you know... 73%... 5%... what's the difference?

 

[fskimospy]

Perfect.

I would say though, that the 73% was just potentially, so not confirmed. I'm sure the argument will come in that they were selling the benefits to get money to pay other important bills. Its still breaking the rules though.

He didn't even read his own link.

Sad.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This is not what they found, which you would know if you read your own links instead of just posting the first thing that you found which you thought confirmed what you already wanted to believe.

Here's what your link actually said:

They found that 73% of SNAP households that were requesting 4 or more replacement cards per year could potentially be involved in some sort of benefits fraud. They identified a little more than 10,000 households for the study (out of a pool of ~1,500,000 households enrolled in SNAP in those states) and found about 7,500 had the 'potential' for fraud. (5% of households) 'Potential' being defined as making a large purchase or a purchase for an even number of dollars. That's a really really wide net they are casting there. There's a significant problem...and it needs to be addressed.

Even if ALL of those households defrauded the government for 100% of their SNAP money that would amount to about 5% of SNAP payments. In reality it is probably much smaller than that, considering how generous my assumptions were right there.

So yeah you know... 73%... 5%... what's the difference?

Did you read the link? Do you actually think that potential fraud is only limited to those who requested replacement cards 4 or more times a year? Is that really the argument you're making here? This study found a very significant problem and suggests ONE technique to reveal fraud using a very simple set of detection criteria. There are many ways to defraud SNAP and this study focused on only one of those ways.

 

[dank69]

Did you read the link? So potential fraud is only limited to those who requested replacement cards 4 or more times a year? Is that really the argument you're making here? You're a hoot. This study found a very significant problem and suggests ONE technique to reveal fraud using a very simple set of detection criteria. There are many ways to defraud SNAP and this study focused on only one of those ways.

You posted that fraud is rampant. Post up some actual evidence that this is the case or admit you were duped with that 73% number.

 

[realibrad]

He didn't even read his own link.

Sad.

I read it a little differently though.

GAO's analysis found potential trafficking in 73 percent of households reviewed by focusing on SNAP households requesting cards in at least four monthly benefit periods.

To me that reads, that they found 73% to be potentially breaking the rules, by looking at the fact that people were requesting multiple cards a month. Still just potentially, so not very clear, but I did not read it as of the people requesting multiple cards, they thought 73% might be.

 

[fskimospy]

So potential fraud is only limited to those who requested replacement cards 4 or more times a year? Is that really the argument you're making here? You're a hoot. This study found a very significant problem and suggests ONE technique to reveal fraud using a very simple set of detection criteria. There are many ways to defraud SNAP and this study focused on only one of those ways.

No, I'm saying that you either ignorantly or dishonestly described the results of the GAO's study, which said nothing even remotely close to what you claimed.

Not only was the study not an attempt to provide an estimate of the amount of fraud present in SNAP, you were wildly wrong about what the study said because you didn't bother to read it.

One of us is definitely a hoot, haha.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You posted that fraud is rampant. Post up some actual evidence that this is the case or admit you were duped with that 73% number.

I should have qualified it....no doubt about it.

 

[Jhhnn]

A comparison of the Food Stamp v. Population statistics indicates that a disproportionate number of blacks are on food stamps, but that a disproportionate number of hispanics and asians aren't.

I agree that blacks aren't inherently inferior and that racism still exists.
The next question, then, is why do black people suffer so much more heavily from the effects of racism than other minorities? Based on the historical treatment of the Chinese and Japanese, it doesn't seem like we are less racist against them. Further, according to the liberal characterization of anti-illegal immigration sentiment, it is clear we aren't less racist toward hispanics.

If blacks aren't inherently inferior and aren't more heavily targeted by racism, what does that leave as an explanation?

Too clever by half. You simply posit falsehoods as fact, base conclusions on that while ignoring the obvious. The difference is slavery and the Civil War. Those things shaped the attitudes & roles between blacks & whites in ways that don't matter wrt other races. In this country, only blacks could legally be held as slaves, the origins of that being convenient interpretation of scripture. The effect on both cultures is profound.

 

[fskimospy]

I read it a little differently though.

To me that reads, that they found 73% to be potentially breaking the rules, by looking at the fact that people were requesting multiple cards a month. Still just potentially, so not very clear, but I did not read it as of the people requesting multiple cards, they thought 73% might be.

If you go to the actual study (http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/665383.pdf) you will see a chart on page 19.

It lists there being 1,481,539 total SNAP households in the states they used..

Of those ~1.5 million households they found 10,270 that requested 4 or more cards in a year. Requesting a lot of replacement cards can be a sign of fraud as you could be selling the cards to people.

Out of the high fraud potential cohort they found 73% displayed at least one other behavior that could potentially be associated with SNAP fraud. Subsampling would not be appropriate here, so the denominator you would have to use would be the entire SNAP population.

7,537/1,481,539 = ~5%

For DSF to have accurately described their findings they would have needed to find evidence for potential fraud in 1,081,523 households. So, he overshot by about 1,073,986 households.

TLDR - He's full of shit. He either didn't read his own link or he lied and hoped nobody would notice.

 

[Jhhnn]

I should have qualified it....no doubt about it.

Gawd. So Busted. Would it kill you to say "I was mistaken."?

Or is your belief in widespread SNAP fraud important in maintaining your ideological position? Is it a core value in all that, unquestionable, like faith in Jesus?

 

[chucky2]

I live in an area that has many poor people in it, and I frequently am out and about at gas stations, convenience stores, and the supermarket. I've probably seen Links being used, at this point now since I've bothered to look, over 100 times. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen it not being used improperly. I know Lefties believe nothing is too good for those po po poor, but, I'd really rather not have my tax dollars funding "starving" people buying Pepsi and Cheetos, maybe that's just me...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Gawd. So Busted. Would it kill you to say "I was mistaken."?

Or is your belief in widespread SNAP fraud important in maintaining your ideological position? Is it a core value in all that, unquestionable, like faith in Jesus?

I screwed up.

 

[dank69]

I screwed up.

Kudos. We all fuck up from time to time. :thumbsup: