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Is this the October Surprise?

Anyone notice during the second debate Kerry only mentioned vietnam once, where in the first debate he mentioned it at least 10+ times?
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Anyone notice during the second debate Kerry only mentioned vietnam once, where in the first debate he mentioned it at least 10+ times?
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Maybe that has something to do with the questions? I know, you don't listen, you just count.
 
The Swift Boat ads have already taken their toll. The public doesn't care anymore, they want to hear a debate on the issues. The increased negativity from the Bush campaign will come back to bite them in the ass. If they think they can win by throwing out labels at Kerry they are dead wrong. Shoulda stuck to terrorism and scaring folks.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
TV Group to Show Anti- Kerry Film on 62 Stations

Injured, angry, determined, Swiftees unite to fight Kerry
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No, it's not the October Surprise. The campaign isn't involved with this, and the campaign will have it's own October surprise that will overshadow this piece on kerry/Vietnam.

CsG
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Why are the laws that cover lies and libel and character defemation suspended during election season?
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
TV Group to Show Anti- Kerry Film on 62 Stations

Injured, angry, determined, Swiftees unite to fight Kerry
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No, it's not the October Surprise. The campaign isn't involved with this, and the campaign will have it's own October surprise that will overshadow this piece on kerry/Vietnam.

CsG
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Why are the laws that cover lies and libel and character defemation suspended during election season?
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He who write the rules, make the rules.
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I hope Michael Moore gets F9/11 on non-pay TV in the near future.
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I've read a PPV is in the works as the distributor of the film doesn't want it to go to broadcast TV before the election (too soon for them to finish making money off of the just-released DVD.)
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
I hope Michael Moore gets F9/11 on non-pay TV in the near future.
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I've read a PPV is in the works as the distributor of the film doesn't want it to go to broadcast TV before the election (too soon for them to finish making money off of the just-released DVD.)
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Bah!
:|
 
Micheal Moore is a fat pig that hates everything about america. Anyone that watches his filth is the lowes scum alive. The network that airs his film will lose ratings big time. Even Slate was higly critical of his film.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Micheal Moore is a fat pig that hates everything about america. Anyone that watches his filth is the lowes scum alive. The network that airs his film will lose ratings big time. Even Slate was higly critical of his film.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
Micheal Moore is a fat pig that hates everything about america. Anyone that watches his filth is the lowes scum alive. The network that airs his film will lose ratings big time. Even Slate was higly critical of his film.
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LOL - I guess a LOT of people are "the lowes (sic) scum alive," since F9/11 is far and away the most commercially successful documentary in history.
 
That flic will crash and burn. The people who have made up their minds won't watch it and that's about 80-90% of the people. And if any of them do watch it, so what? That leaves Sinclair hoping that the remaining small percentage of undecideds will want to watch a political flick rather than something like "Friends" or "I Love Lucy" re-runs (My personal favorite.) Then they have to hope that the flic turns them ON rather than turns them off.

I'd say this has already lost what little value it had for Sinclair and the Bush campaign. Also, by taking such a bold stand in favor of Bush Sincliar is risking alienating a lot of Kerry supporters. Is that a good business model? You know it isn't ....

-Robert
 
The October Suprise will be hitting John Kerry on taxes, and how hes used tax shelters. Not to mention he manages to pay less in taxes % wise than the middle class. Lets not forget they refuse to release all of their financial documents, etc etc etc. Similar to how hes only released 10% of his military records..
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm
The October Suprise will be hitting John Kerry on taxes, and how hes used tax shelters. Not to mention he manages to pay less in taxes % wise than the middle class. Lets not forget they refuse to release all of their financial documents, etc etc etc. Similar to how hes only released 10% of his military records..
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Like this kind of stuff?

Kerry's off-shore tax shelter

& this?
 
Originally posted by: digitalsm
The October Suprise will be hitting John Kerry on taxes, and how hes used tax shelters. Not to mention he manages to pay less in taxes % wise than the middle class. Lets not forget they refuse to release all of their financial documents, etc etc etc. Similar to how hes only released 10% of his military records..
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I can't imagine that issue having any real traction with the voting public. I think people understand, and expect, that rich people are going to use sophisticated means of reducing their tax load. Something tells me the Bush campaign will not want to open that Pandora's box, since President Bush and VP Cheney are themselves very wealthy, and I can't imagine they keep all their money in a passbook savings account either.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: digitalsm
The October Suprise will be hitting John Kerry on taxes, and how hes used tax shelters. Not to mention he manages to pay less in taxes % wise than the middle class. Lets not forget they refuse to release all of their financial documents, etc etc etc. Similar to how hes only released 10% of his military records..
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I can't imagine that issue having any real traction with the voting public. I think people understand, and expect, that rich people are going to use sophisticated means of reducing their tax load. Something tells me the Bush campaign will not want to open that Pandora's box, since President Bush and VP Cheney are themselves very wealthy, and I can't imagine they keep all their money in a passbook savings account either.
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I think this kind of sound bite will have some effect:

Stephen Moore, president of the Club for Growth, writes in the WALL STREET JOURNAL on Monday: "According to the Kerrys' own tax records, and they have not released all of them, the couple had a combined income of $6.8 million in income last year and paid $725,000 in income taxes. That means their effective tax rate was a whopping 12.8%.... "Under the current tax system the middle class pays far more than the Kerry tax rate. In fact, the average federal tax rate -- combined payroll and income tax -- for a middle-class family is closer to 20% or more. George W. and Laura Bush, who had an income one- tenth of the Kerrys', paid a tax rate of 30%. ...

"Here is the man who finds clever ways to reduce his own tax liability while voting for higher taxes on the middle class dozens of times in his Senate career. He even voted against the Bush tax cut that saves each middle-class family about $1,000." The Kerrys "have unwittingly made the case for what George W. Bush says he wants to do: radically simplify and flatten out the tax code. ... So before John Kerry is given the opportunity to raise taxes again on American workers, shouldn't he and Teresa at least pay their fair share?"
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http://releases.usnewswire.com...se.asp?id=150-04132004
WASHINGTON, April 13 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Sen. John Kerry has made public his 2003 income tax returns, as he has for past 20 years.

In 2003, Sen. John Kerry had $395,000 in taxable income and paid $90,575 in federal income taxes. Kerry had $43,735 in charitable contributions.

Last year, Kerry wrote "A Call to Service," of which had $89,000 in proceeds. Kerry is paying the taxes on the proceeds from the book and is donating the balance to charity.

The tax return also shows $175,000 in capital gains, from the sale of one-half interest of a painting, which was reported last year.
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23% in Federal income taxes

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...eresa.kerry/index.html
Mrs. Kerry -- whose wealth derives from the Heinz food fortune -- earned about $5 million in 2003 and paid approximately $750,000 in taxes, according to the information...

...According to a statement, she had a gross taxable income of $2,338,000, primarily from dividends and interest. She also earned $2,777,000 in tax-exempt interest income from state, municipal and other bonds.
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She paid about 32% in Federal taxes.
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I think this kind of sound bite will have some effect:

Stephen Moore, president of the Club for Growth, writes in the WALL STREET JOURNAL on Monday: "According to the Kerrys' own tax records, and they have not released all of them, the couple had a combined income of $6.8 million in income last year and paid $725,000 in income taxes. That means their effective tax rate was a whopping 12.8%.... "Under the current tax system the middle class pays far more than the Kerry tax rate. In fact, the average federal tax rate -- combined payroll and income tax -- for a middle-class family is closer to 20% or more. George W. and Laura Bush, who had an income one- tenth of the Kerrys', paid a tax rate of 30%. ...

"Here is the man who finds clever ways to reduce his own tax liability while voting for higher taxes on the middle class dozens of times in his Senate career. He even voted against the Bush tax cut that saves each middle-class family about $1,000." The Kerrys "have unwittingly made the case for what George W. Bush says he wants to do: radically simplify and flatten out the tax code. ... So before John Kerry is given the opportunity to raise taxes again on American workers, shouldn't he and Teresa at least pay their fair share?"
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You think that, IMO, because you are the choir, and preaching to yourself about how cunning and despicable Sen Kerry is.

Most of the reason his tax load was so low is that Teresa Heinz Kerry has most of her money invested in tax-free municipal bonds. That's her choice, and when you become a billionaire you may want to do the same thing. It strikes me it would just be stupid for them to pay more in taxes than what's required under the law. I just can't imagine the public cares much about this.

I find that quote about Sen Kerry's "voting for higher taxes on the middle class dozens of times" interesting, because it's so misleading. I'm reminded of how the Bush campaign has repeated in each debate so far that Sen Kerry voted for 98 tax increases. The thing is, many of those were repeated votes on the same bills, and, by similar calculations, he has voted to lower taxes 640 times.

As to Sen Kerry's own taxes, he and Sen Edwards have repeatedly announced their intention to increase the tax load on wealthy Americans, and, if passed, he will bear the brunt of it (though I imagine his tax load will stay low, because of the aforementioned municipal bond investment).
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

I think this kind of sound bite will have some effect:

Stephen Moore, president of the Club for Growth, writes in the WALL STREET JOURNAL on Monday: "According to the Kerrys' own tax records, and they have not released all of them, the couple had a combined income of $6.8 million in income last year and paid $725,000 in income taxes. That means their effective tax rate was a whopping 12.8%.... "Under the current tax system the middle class pays far more than the Kerry tax rate. In fact, the average federal tax rate -- combined payroll and income tax -- for a middle-class family is closer to 20% or more. George W. and Laura Bush, who had an income one- tenth of the Kerrys', paid a tax rate of 30%. ...

"Here is the man who finds clever ways to reduce his own tax liability while voting for higher taxes on the middle class dozens of times in his Senate career. He even voted against the Bush tax cut that saves each middle-class family about $1,000." The Kerrys "have unwittingly made the case for what George W. Bush says he wants to do: radically simplify and flatten out the tax code. ... So before John Kerry is given the opportunity to raise taxes again on American workers, shouldn't he and Teresa at least pay their fair share?"
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You think that, IMO, because you are the choir, and preaching to yourself about how cunning and despicable Sen Kerry is.
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Didn't mean to offend you, I'm just trying to figure out what Rove has up his sleeve for the "October Surprise"

I've heard it mentioned more than once, & it's October...

 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Anyone notice during the second debate Kerry only mentioned vietnam once, where in the first debate he mentioned it at least 10+ times?
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i figure it has something to do with the questions. however, i agree that it seems as though he has decided to shy away from outright mentioning it from now on. but from what i understand, that was the goal of the right.
 
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