Is this the end of the Republican party?

[ivwshane]

US history has shown us that when a political party starts to lose power (relevance, or a connection with the people is represents) it creates a vacuum in which a temporary (typically) party emerges to fill that space. History has also shown us that that party typically appeals to nativism and focuses on the perceived negative changes of the country and place the blame on non natives.
Rachael maddow made the case tonight that this is one of those times.

Do you think that the traditional Republican party (small gov, fiscal responsibility, and conservative social values), is in its death throws and a new party will emerge? Will the new party be an extension of the tea party or will it be something different with strong ties to nativism?

Or do you think the Republican party hasn't changed?

 

[UberNeuman]

They can't change. The miasma that has surrounded the party has finally overtaken it. The fallout of this should be quite interesting.

In all, it depends how much longer rational people put up with their regressive agenda.

 

[ivwshane]

They can't change. The miasma that has surrounded the party has finally overtaken it. The fallout of this should be quite interesting.

In all, it depends how much longer rational people put up with their regressive agenda.

I think the time frame is dependent on how long it takes for a rational party to take its place. If I had to guess, I would say the libertarian party will be next in line, assuming they can rid themselves of the crazies in their party.

 

[trenchfoot]

So long as the very rich have the Repub Party and a chunk of the Dem Party in their back pockets, nothing's going to change much for the Repubs.

That being said, Trump (bless his crooked heart) has exposed that soft vulnerable spot in the armpit of their party, and it's one in which I'm sure will be exploited again in the future. Whether it manifests itself into an internal power play for the heart and soul of the GOP or something the Dems will exploit to their advantage is something that's left to be seen.

What needs to happen though is for the middle class and the poor from both parties to unite and take power away from the very few wealthy that presently have an iron grip around the necks of most of our politicians. And that is what those very wealthy folks who own the GOP fear the most and will try anything they can and then some to keep that big divide they engineered so well from closing.

They have exploited the race issue very well, and are doing a bang up job with keeping many of their constituents afraid and hateful of their fellow Americans whose only wish is to exercise their right to live the American dream. Talking points that revolve around welfare freeloaders and illegal immigrants looking for a free ride have been incessantly hammered into the psyche of all of those "Real Americans" that make up the Repub Party.....you know, those folks that keep the nation "true to its traditional values" (and we all know what that kind of nebulous subtle double speak blather means, don't we?)

IMO, it's left for the next generation or the one after that to make the necessary changes that will rebuild the shrinking middle class into what it once was.

In turn, that will reshape both parties as they evolve to survive the changes.

 

[disappoint]

No they will just block everything Hilderbergery tries to pass because they will take the House and/or Senate. Well block everything except what they want. And by they I mean Republicans and Hillary.

 

[ivwshane]

It should be pretty apparent that the rich do indeed NOT have control of the Republican party or even have them in their back pockets. How much did Jeb spend on his campaign? How many delegates did he get? Hell, even the 2012 election showed us that the control of the Republican party by the rich has been lost after candidates backed by rich donors lost big.

 

[trenchfoot]

It should be pretty apparent that the rich do indeed NOT have control of the Republican party or even have them in their back pockets. How much did Jeb spend on his campaign? How many delegates did he get? Hell, even the 2012 election showed us that the control of the Republican party by the rich has been lost after candidates backed by rich donors lost big.

Looking at the situation from the short term, and from the standpoint of presidential elections, I agree.

However, once the majority of those legislators who apparently won without the benefit of a well endowed sugar daddy get into office, they are "broken in" and told in no uncertain terms that they need to pay their due by selling their souls to get a smidgen back in return. And they are being told this by those legislators that have seniority and the assurance of re-election. Most of these senior legislators are thoroughly corrupted simply from being in office for so long, and we all know what it take$ to corrupt our legislator$, and what it take$ to get re-elected time after time, right?

Hint: it sure ain't integrity, honesty and upstanding moral values.

edit - I consider the freshman class of Repub legislators that rode into office on the coat tails of the Tea Party "Revolution" an aberration and an exception to what I previously described.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

The rich did not become rich by dumping tons of cash into potential candidates. They waited to see which one would be their best bet, and by that time Trump had an insurmountable lead already.

The Republican party will recover, even if it's simply because the US basically has a 2 party system. Sure, you have more parties, but they don't stand a chance and the winner takes all anyway.

Unless the whole political system is changed (which is not in the advantage of the winning party and therefor won't happen the first while) you'll be stuck with elections like this, where you're forced to pick the least of the two evils or waste your vote on a third party candidate who won't win anyway.

 

[Moonbeam]

How would I know? Am I a bag pipe or an air horn where you ask a question and I squeeze my arm to my side or push a button and expel air that makes noises? Am I a piñata you hit with a stick and treats fly everywhere. I have no idea whatsoever just like everybody else. Any opinion I might have is completely worthless.

 

[ivwshane]

How would I know? Am I a bag pipe or an air horn where you ask a question and I squeeze my arm to my side or push a button and expel air that makes noises? Am I a piñata you hit with a stick and treats fly everywhere. I have no idea whatsoever just like everybody else. Any opinion I might have is completely worthless.

Not really. Your opinion is worth whatever facts you have to back it up. Honestly I just want to know if there is any validity to what I've posted.

 

[ivwshane]

The rich did not become rich by dumping tons of cash into potential candidates. They waited to see which one would be their best bet, and by that time Trump had an insurmountable lead already.

The Republican party will recover, even if it's simply because the US basically has a 2 party system. Sure, you have more parties, but they don't stand a chance and the winner takes all anyway.

Unless the whole political system is changed (which is not in the advantage of the winning party and therefor won't happen the first while) you'll be stuck with elections like this, where you're forced to pick the least of the two evils or waste your vote on a third party candidate who won't win anyway.

The big money donors did not wait to donate to Jeb, they were backing him from the get go. Sure, after it was apparent that their boy wasn't going to win they scrambled to find another stooge and by then it was too late but they certainly tried pumping up Jeb.

 

[sportage]

Rachel Maddow also had these powerful words mentioned:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

Anyone want to guess what famous US monument those words are engraved on?
Clue... Donald Trump's neck of the woods.
Too bad Donald can't read.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not really. Your opinion is worth whatever facts you have to back it up. Honestly I just want to know if there is any validity to what I've posted.

You say you seek validation. Perhaps another perspective would be to ask yourself why you care. What is that need?

 

[Texashiker]

Do you think that the traditional Republican party (small gov, fiscal responsibility, and conservative social values), is in its death throws and a new party will emerge? Will the new party be an extension of the tea party or will it be something different with strong ties to nativism?

Or do you think the Republican party hasn't changed?

Hopefully trump will deport every last illegal, end free trade, turn the economy around every the democrat party will be exposed for the hypocrites they are are.

If true wins, it will probably be the death of the democrat party.

 

[dank69]

Hopefully trump will deport every last illegal, end free trade, turn the economy around every the democrat party will be exposed for the hypocrites they are are.

If true wins, it will probably be the death of the democrat party.

And hopefully Trump will fight for tugger rights.

 

[Mxylplyx]

The Republican party has been a fragile, and shrinking coalition for a while, and have put off a required realignment of their coalition for far too long. Rich business interest that only care about taxes and regulations have controlled the party for some time, and managed quite impressively to manipulate social conservatives into carrying their water. I mean think about it, why are the concepts of small government and "religious freedom" so intertwined? They are for the same reason that diamonds and love are intertwined, via the result of a highly successful marketing campaign. Social conservatives are finally starting to wake up to the fact that they have been suckered. Republicans have done a fantastic job at delivering for their paymasters via lower taxes and regulations, but what have they done on the social front? Jack shit, because a majority of Americans don't want it. The problem for these social conservatives now is that they do not have the numbers to compete nationally anymore, and the business interests will not fund a candidate they can not rely on to carry their water, hence the traditionally well moneyed party now at a significant financial disadvantage relative to democrats.

In short, they are fucked.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The Republican Party, isn't going to be in a shambles. They will still hold the House, the odds of the Democrats taking the House are negligible. They'll still have lots of governors, state houses, and literally thousands of local offices.

The Republican Party will shake Donald Trump's dust off their heels, and by 2018 Fox News will be putting a (D) after his name. There just won't be a GOP president until there is a complete party realignment.

 

[Jhhnn]

Hopefully trump will deport every last illegal, end free trade, turn the economy around every the democrat party will be exposed for the hypocrites they are are.

If true wins, it will probably be the death of the democrat party.

None of that will happen, obviously, even if Trump becomes Prez, so just back away from your fantasies & resentments, try a different perspective.

 

[ivwshane]

You say you seek validation. Perhaps another perspective would be to ask yourself why you care. What is that need?

Why would I care if my country is about to have two parties one of which could be xenophobic and run on a bigoted platform that would bring with it policies of discrimination and harassment? Why would I care about that? I don't know, maybe its my belief that a welcoming, united, country that helps its citizens is better for everyone including me. Maybe its because if that were to happen I'd want everyone to be aware of our history so that we may get over that dark period more quickly. Maybe its because I think this country does better when we have two opposing parties whose ideas are both valid and who debate and compromise to move this country towards even more greatness.

Do those seem like valid reasons to you or should I simply ignore my LBD and pretend the world is perfect?

 

[ivwshane]

In essence what I hear from your post is that you agree, the end of the Republican party is near and we are about to see the emergence of a new party?

Will that new party follow the historical pattern and be a party of nativism is what my concern is.

The Republican party has been a fragile, and shrinking coalition for a while, and have put off a required realignment of their coalition for far too long. Rich business interest that only care about taxes and regulations have controlled the party for some time, and managed quite impressively to manipulate social conservatives into carrying their water. I mean think about it, why are the concepts of small government and "religious freedom" so intertwined? They are for the same reason that diamonds and love are intertwined, via the result of a highly successful marketing campaign. Social conservatives are finally starting to wake up to the fact that they have been suckered. Republicans have done a fantastic job at delivering for their paymasters via lower taxes and regulations, but what have they done on the social front? Jack shit, because a majority of Americans don't want it. The problem for these social conservatives now is that they do not have the numbers to compete nationally anymore, and the business interests will not fund a candidate they can not rely on to carry their water, hence the traditionally well moneyed party now at a significant financial disadvantage relative to democrats.

In short, they are fucked.

 

[ivwshane]

The Republican Party, isn't going to be in a shambles. They will still hold the House, the odds of the Democrats taking the House are negligible. They'll still have lots of governors, state houses, and literally thousands of local offices.

The Republican Party will shake Donald Trump's dust off their heels, and by 2018 Fox News will be putting a (D) after his name. There just won't be a GOP president until there is a complete party realignment.

So you think the Republican party, after realignment, will be the same old Republican party its always been? It will still be the party who champions small gov, conservative social values, and fiscal responsibility?

I just don't see how that happens, especially in the light of their base electing someone who is running on pretty much the opposite of Republican values.

 

[Moonbeam]

None of that will happen, obviously, even if Trump becomes Prez, so just back away from your fantasies & resentments, try a different perspective.

How will he do this as long as he has no insight into how the yearning in his soul for goodness and love, the human drive that makes live worth living, has perverted by experiences too painful to remember that conditioned him to feel the goodness he was born to manifest naturally can only be realized by what is actually nothing but the caged madness of ideology? Are we not all the dead cargo on that same ship of fools? This ship of madness can't sail anywhere because it is captained by tone admiral of two minds which have cratered the hull by hatred of each other.

 

[Sonikku]

House is gerrymandered safe.

GoP isn't going anywhere. They just feel more oppressed and get more nutty.

 

[ivwshane]

House is gerrymandered safe.

GoP isn't going anywhere. They just feel more oppressed and get more nutty.

Is it still the Republican party if its supporters and the politicians they elect don't support the values that the Republican party traditionally supports?

If the color red suddenly turns to green but everyone still calls it red, is it really still red?

 

[Puffnstuff]

The Republicans are backed by the religious right even though they don't really represent their interests. All these candidates do is utter some Godsmack and magically receive support from those people who swear up and down that the Republicans are God's party. Geez I musta missed that someplace in the Bible..