Is this the beginning of the end for Kazaa?

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Mitzi

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Originally posted by: tec699
I'm suprised that it hasn't happened much sooner, because you can literally download any form of entertainment for no charge. For instance, if I wanted a certain movie why should I go to the Mall when I can download it from kazaa for free and then burn it on a dvd?

Oh right...a 700Mb MPEG file is the same quality as a DVD :Q
 

anxi80

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Whoops, sorry about that guys. I have a twin brother named Fausto2 who happens to be a pathological liar that was logged onto my account earlier. Discount anything he may have said. :p
heh, gotta turn off that automatic logon and uncheck the save password box. oh well, accidents happen.:cool:

*edit: closing italics pwn'z me
 

CraigRT

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Yield
Originally posted by: ausm
Originally posted by: Yield
Is this the beginning of the end for Kazaa?
lets hope so.

WTF are you smoking? Do you work for the RIAA?


Ausm

no, i just hate the program.. i've actually never personally installed it once on any of the computers i use daily.
Thyen how do you know it sucks? Kazza Lite works great for me.

well, i've seen people use it at work, i just don't like it... i don't really like any of those programs... to be honest. and i have never tried kazaa lite.. but i am not going to now.
 

SnapIT

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Originally posted by: Mitzi
Originally posted by: tec699
I'm suprised that it hasn't happened much sooner, because you can literally download any form of entertainment for no charge. For instance, if I wanted a certain movie why should I go to the Mall when I can download it from kazaa for free and then burn it on a dvd?

Oh right...a 700Mb MPEG file is the same quality as a DVD :Q

No, but a 1400Mb is...
 

Linflas

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Who cares? The RIAA's attempts to stop file sharing is like whack-a-mole and they are losing badly.
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Yield
Originally posted by: ausm
Originally posted by: Yield
Is this the beginning of the end for Kazaa?
lets hope so.
WTF are you smoking? Do you work for the RIAA? Ausm
no, i just hate the program.. i've actually never personally installed it once on any of the computers i use daily.
Thyen how do you know it sucks? Kazza Lite works great for me.

I use Kazaa Lite 2.0 and it works excellent for me also. I run it 24/7 ;)


Ausm
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: Yield
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Yield
Originally posted by: ausm
Originally posted by: Yield
Is this the beginning of the end for Kazaa?
lets hope so.

WTF are you smoking? Do you work for the RIAA?


Ausm

no, i just hate the program.. i've actually never personally installed it once on any of the computers i use daily.
Thyen how do you know it sucks? Kazza Lite works great for me.

well, i've seen people use it at work, i just don't like it... i don't really like any of those programs... to be honest. and i have never tried kazaa lite.. but i am not going to now.

You haven't used it but "just don't like it"? Thank you for the invaluable information.

 

kuk

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The problem for filesharing will really start to kick in when Palladium is well established (5 to 10 years from now).
Let's see how Windows' alternatives will handle this ... if Apple sticks with its anti-DCMA stance (and is still alive by then), and Linux matures itself for the regular-Joe market, things will become quite interesting.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: Mitzi
Originally posted by: tec699
I'm suprised that it hasn't happened much sooner, because you can literally download any form of entertainment for no charge. For instance, if I wanted a certain movie why should I go to the Mall when I can download it from kazaa for free and then burn it on a dvd?

Oh right...a 700Mb MPEG file is the same quality as a DVD :Q

No, but a 1400Mb is...

I still find that hard to believe. Especially since you're recompressing an already heavily compressed file.
 

Heisenberg

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Even if Kazaa loses every case in the US and the courts rule that they have to shut down, I'd like to see how they try and enforce it when the company is based completely out of foreign countries. The RIAA/MPAA just don't get it.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: kuk
Apple sticks with its anti-DCMA stance (and is still alive by then)

Forgive the noobishness, but what does this mean?
 

MrBond

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I'm honestly the RIAA hasn't gone the same route they did with Napster and skip the company right off the bat. They went to universities and threatened them with legal action, so they were forced to block the ports napster used. Many universities block Kazaa right now, it's just the matter of blocking outgoing/incoming traffic over a certain port.

I'm not sure why they haven't gone after ISP's yet. Maybe they don't think they can win there.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Originally posted by: MrBond
I'm honestly the RIAA hasn't gone the same route they did with Napster and skip the company right off the bat. They went to universities and threatened them with legal action, so they were forced to block the ports napster used. Many universities block Kazaa right now, it's just the matter of blocking outgoing/incoming traffic over a certain port.

I'm not sure why they haven't gone after ISP's yet. Maybe they don't think they can win there.

They can't afford to even try to win there. It's easy going after an underfunded company like Napster or Morpheus or some university when they can't afford to fight. With deep enough pockets you just bury them in procedures and strangle them in what is essentially a siege. But once you go after ISPs you're into AOL and MSN territory and they have the resources to fight forever. The major ISPs have a financial stake in maintaining the status quo since so many members use their accounts expressly for file sharing. They won't be bullied as easily as universities are. The whole battle is fruitless and the people who fear KaZaA getting shut down are like Chicken Little crying that the sky is falling. Who cares? Napster dies, Morpheus arises. Morpheus gets shut down Kazaa takes the lead. If Kazaa gets killed there are a dozen more waiting in the wings. With each generation the file-sharing services learn how to better protect themselves. The RIAA/MPAA has spent more money fighting file sharing than they've lost because of file sharing and that's not going to change. They've won huge victories over Napster, Morpheus and others and HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING!! File sharing hasn't stopped and it hasn't slowed. Most movies hit the net before they hit the theaters and every CD published is available free the day it hits the shelves. It just doesn't matter if the RIAA wipes out Kazaa and the next dozen that follow it. They're pissing into the wind on this one. Until they come up with truly uncopyable media they can shut down 1000 Kazaa-clones and every university on earth and they'll still lose.
 

Vernor

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
Boo!

I have a right to freely download anything I want for free in direct violation of copyright law!


That's what tens of millions of people are saying every day.

 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: kuk
The problem for filesharing will really start to kick in when Palladium is well established (5 to 10 years from now).
Let's see how Windows' alternatives will handle this ... if Apple sticks with its anti-DCMA stance (and is still alive by then), and Linux matures itself for the regular-Joe market, things will become quite interesting.
I believe Apple is against DRM (Digital Rights Management - what Palladium, also known as TCPA, proposes), though I'm not sure of their stance on the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). For the uninitiated, you can read all about Palladium aka TCPA here. The main problem with Palladium is that you will have a hard time using an open source OS with it, and it will have to be disabled for said OS to work to its full capacity (though it's doubtful that an open source OS would work at all on a Palladium-enabled system). Palladium must be disabled to use any customized verison of BSD, Linux, etc.

A major problem would then occur if the CBDTPA (a bill in Congress that would make Palladium-like hardware cop / spyware chips mandatory) would be passed. Then, Microsoft would have a total monopoly over X86 machines (barring that another closed source OS doesn't come along between now and then), and Apple wouldn't gain any more users out of the deal, because it would be forced to include the hardware chips as well.
 

vegetation

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Because they would easily lose. Usenet has been targeted many times in the past with kiddie porn issues, and the bottom line is that the usenet servers are just a medium of transport, no different than saying the electric that comes from the power company is responsible for what's on there. Besides, usenet is on a downward trend compared to several years ago.

Originally posted by: Fausto1
Honestly, I'm constantly amazed that the RIAA haven't gone after usenet providers yet given the massive amounts of copyrighted material getting posted on a daily basis.

Not that I'm complaining, mind you... ;)

 

kuk

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Originally posted by: jliechty
Originally posted by: kuk
The problem for filesharing will really start to kick in when Palladium is well established (5 to 10 years from now).
Let's see how Windows' alternatives will handle this ... if Apple sticks with its anti-DCMA stance (and is still alive by then), and Linux matures itself for the regular-Joe market, things will become quite interesting.
I believe Apple is against DRM (Digital Rights Management - what Palladium, also known as TCPA, proposes), though I'm not sure of their stance on the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act). For the uninitiated, you can read all about Palladium aka TCPA here. The main problem with Palladium is that you will have a hard time using an open source OS with it, and it will have to be disabled for said OS to work to its full capacity (though it's doubtful that an open source OS would work at all on a Palladium-enabled system). Palladium must be disabled to use any customized verison of BSD, Linux, etc.

A major problem would then occur if the CBDTPA (a bill in Congress that would make Palladium-like hardware cop / spyware chips mandatory) would be passed. Then, Microsoft would have a total monopoly over X86 machines (barring that another closed source OS doesn't come along between now and then), and Apple wouldn't gain any more users out of the deal, because it would be forced to include the hardware chips as well.

You're right ... in my head, DRM and TCPA sounds close enough to DCMA. :p
 

easystreet

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Don't underestimate hackers(and if you ever overclocked a CPU, you are a hacker) there ain't any way in heck they can stop it. The solution is for cd's etc to be more reasonably priced....then it wouldn't be worth the trouble.
 

Scarpozzi

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I like those file sharing programs, but I hate Kazaa because they overstepped their bounds in their last version. They made Kazaa act too shifty....it doesn't always use the correct headers and makes it impossible to filter traffic effectively with Kazaa clients running. It poses as rogue programs and runs on obscure ports....sometimes even as port 80. This program will effectively slow the internet down to nothing if enough people use the latest version of it and download at their max capacity... :p I'm just saying that things were better when Napster reigned as king. I doubt that file sharing will ever cease, but I do know that the companies that provide a means to share files will have to either become opensource or provide a better search medium that doesn't eat up as much bandwidth.