Is this some kind of joke, Intel?

[toadeater]

"Intel churning out 100,000 45 nm processors every day"

Hmm, they must be ones other than the e8400? :disgust:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/36367/118/

 

[Idontcare]

They go to Harpertowns.

 

[taltamir]

mmm... 4 million shipped already... that would 40 days of production at 100,000 a day. But they did say that they are now ramping it up to 100,000...

Keep in mind that the world has 6 billion people. Intel has plants in germany, and many other countries. Those 100,000 are split between the US market, the european market, the communist markets, and all the smaller markets around the world. And what goes on the market is used in more then just PCs... xboxes and laptops. And many go straight to system builders like dell who use them to build systems, which will then be sitting in warehouses and stores shelves all over the country.

So I would guess no more then 20k (maybe even 5k) of those 100k a day get to USA stores. And those are snatched right back up due to the high demand generated by a 300 million people (and many businessness etc) market.

do a little math... Most households are 4 or 5 people... and they can easily have multiple computers... I would say easily 50mil to 100mil personal computers in the USA. if only 10% are looking to upgrade their computer at the moment then that is a demand of 5-10 mil processors. If only 5k hit the us market per day, it will take 1000 days... and thats not even considering that the E8400 is just ONE of the processors from the 45nm line. there is also the 8500, and the C2Q extreme, and the E8200 (is it the 8200?)

So 100k is NOTHING.

 

[AmberClad]

The simple answer is that those chips are going towards fulfilling orders from the first tier system builders (Dell, HP, Apple).

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
The simple answer is that those chips are going towards fulfilling orders from the first tier system builders (Dell, HP, Apple).

That was my initial thought too.

 

[toadeater]

Originally posted by: taltamir
So I would guess no more then 20k (maybe even 5k) of those 100k a day get to USA stores. And those are snatched right back up due to the high demand generated by a 300 million people (and many businessness etc) market.

How many of those 300 million are actually upgrading? I would wager that the number is a very small percentage of the entire population of the US. I wonder how many even know what a Penryn is?

I'm sure most have gone to system builders, but we shouldn't have been completely screwed over like this. The E8400 was supposed to be available already* but the truth is unless you overpaid for one last month, or willing to overpay even more this month, you are now faced with waiting another month or more. Kind of sucks when you've been waiting to upgrade since December because Intel announced January as the launch date!

I don't think Intel would be so casual about this had the Phenom done better, it may even be that they cut production. And it's pretty obvious they're trying to get rid of older stock--but at the same 2007 prices, so it makes no sense to buy an older 65nm CPU for such a price at this point, unless maybe you're buying an E2xxx.

* http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2...ntel_names_penryn_day/

 

[tomoyo]

You guys aren't paying attention to the fact that channel comes last. Intel must keep their system builders happy first before releasing chips in retail. Considering the enormous number of new models that support penryn, I doubt they really have anything left for the channel. Their production for 45nm hasn't even hit 25% of total production yet, it'll take time before they have enough for everyone.

 

[Denithor]

Same thing happened with the original C2D launch 18 months ago. Early adopters (and that's what I would call anyone buying Penryn before they are readily available for a price close to the tray price) always pay a premium if you can find what you're looking for.

When I got my e6400 I considered myself lucky to get it for only $265 within 3 days of launch. This time around I'm waiting for at least a couple of months before I decide if I'm even going to get on the Penryn bandwagon (my e6400 hums right along at 3GHz and I don't know if I'll even see any real benefit from upgrading).

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Don't forget that it takes two 45nm processors to make a quadcore.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Don't forget that it takes two 45nm processors to make a quadcore.

The 45nm quadcores are all native, they aren't using MCM this time, so it's only 1 processor.

 

[SexyK]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Don't forget that it takes two 45nm processors to make a quadcore.

The 45nm quadcores are all native, they aren't using MCM this time, so it's only 1 processor.

I don't think so... no monolithic quad core from intel until Nehalem afaik.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: SexyK

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb
Don't forget that it takes two 45nm processors to make a quadcore.

The 45nm quadcores are all native, they aren't using MCM this time, so it's only 1 processor.

I don't think so... no monolithic quad core from intel until Nehalem afaik.

That's correct. The current quads are 2x2.

 

[taltamir]

actually, amusingly enough its the second adopters that pay the price. Early adopters buy it at the "cheap" MSRP.

I got my E8400 for 209$. So as an early adopter I got the absolute best deal on it. It will be a while before people would be able to buy it as cheap again... kinda like the 8800GT, where I didn't buy it at first, and ended up waiting 4 monthes extra for prices to drop back to what the were supposed to be before upgrading my 7900GS

 

[tallman45]

I suspect that Intels dealers demanded a hefty old inventory discounts since the second the E8400 were available sales of anything in the $150-$300 ground to a halt. That explains in part MC's dumping of Q6600's, I called a store before I went to make sure they had them in store and the guy at the BYO desk said they had 100's in stock

It's hard to beleive Intel ran into production problems so soon right out the gate with a new product

 

[LittleNemoNES]

actually, amusingly enough its the second adopters that pay the price. Early adopters buy it at the "cheap" MSRP

SO true. Definitely the case with the 8800GT

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: AmberClad
The simple answer is that those chips are going towards fulfilling orders from the first tier system builders (Dell, HP, Apple).

That was my initial thought too.

But i gotta ask... how big is the market for these first tier makers high end systems that theyre gobbling up 100k cpus daily?

Isnt most of the current 45nm production $200+ cpus?

 

[TC91]

what about the new intel "atom" processor, the 1.6ghz version is only 29bucks in 1k quantities with a 1.83ghz version in the works; i also do believe they are 45nm, which may explain some things perhaps?
http://www.electronista.com/ar...l.atom.roadmap.leaked/

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Whoever got their E8400 is lucky. I would like to buy one right now, but they are out of stock and/or price gouged, which is a problem for me. I wish it would go back down to $190 or $200.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
But i gotta ask... how big is the market for these first tier makers high end systems that theyre gobbling up 100k cpus daily?

A server farm would gobble up quite a few of them, I would imagine. If I'm not mistaken, a significant portion of those 45nm chips are going to be Xeons, and not the pseudo-Wolfdale Xeons that we would be interested in.