Is this PSU enough for my system?

[Infantry1982]

I am interested in the KINGWIN Mach 1 ABT-800MA1S 800W power supply for my current system:

MOBO: ASUS P5Q Deluxe
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
RAM: 2 X 2 GB OCZ Platnium 6400
GPU: EVGA GTX 285

This PSU has 4 X 12V rails with the following ampage:

+3.3V@24A,+5V@32A,+12V1@18A,+12V2@18A,
+12V3@20A,+12V4@22A,-12V@0.5A,+5VSB@2.2A

Is this enough to power my system?

Is Kingwin a quality PSU manufacturer?

What other PSU do you all recommend?

THANKS

 

[HOOfan 1]

No active PFC...fairly expensive for what it is.

review on it is a mixed bag.

Review

Is it enough power for your system....more than enough. Is it a good value....I don't think so at all. The efficiency is absolutely horrible...IMO it isn't worth $120 much less $140-$170 that is sells for.

What exactly draws you to this power supply? I am guessing it is the bling bling factor of the lights.
If that is the case I don't have any suggestions for you. I may have suggested the ABS Tagan BZ700...which got some good reviews at one time, but after seeing the review of the last TOPOWER builts Tagan BZ...and how horribly it was assembled, I wouldn't touch another Tagan TOPOWER build.

If you don't need the bling of the lights, then there are plenty of PSUs that could be recommended.

Do you want modular connectors? You absolutely don't need 800W for your system, 600W+ would be more than enough, but do you want some extra headroom?

 

[yh125d]

Enough power? Yeah. But its kingwin, so no-go. Inefficient, no PFC, etc...


Get a Corsair/PCP&C/BFG/Silverstone/Seasonic with 500w or more and you're fine. I'd go with a Corsair VX550 myself for that rig (http://www.newegg.com/Product/...?Item=N82E16817139004)

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: Infantry1982
I am interested in the KINGWIN Mach 1 ABT-800MA1S 800W power supply for my current system:

MOBO: ASUS P5Q Deluxe
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600
RAM: 2 X 2 GB OCZ Platnium 6400
GPU: EVGA GTX 285

This PSU has 4 X 12V rails with the following ampage:

+3.3V@24A,+5V@32A,+12V1@18A,+12V2@18A,
+12V3@20A,+12V4@22A,-12V@0.5A,+5VSB@2.2A

Is this enough to power my system?

Is Kingwin a quality PSU manufacturer?

What other PSU do you all recommend?

THANKS

Don't buy it, it had an inherent built-in design weakness.

So it will not happen again or you might repeat the very same mistakes in the future. Here's a factual garden variety PSU common sense --> " Multi-rail is more reliable and more dependable than Single-rail".

3.3V and 5v shared a single-rail, depending on how much is shared of the single-rail, the more they shared the more sucked ass they are.

A very common single power rail example --> 3.3V and 5V shared a single-rail in common all the way out until the very final output blocking stage. 3.3V final stage would have to withstand and block 1/3 more than 5V final stage for having the same exact input power, 3.3v/5v = 2/3. The greater 3.3V had to withstand and block, the less it could put out relative to 5V.

2/3 <-- This is also the approximate 3.3V to 5V output current ratio you'll usually see stated on the PSU labels. Final stage output components can be selected to alter the output current ratio, but however the components get selected 3.3V will always be 1/3 greater stressed than 5V.

proofs of blatantly obvious and apparent sucked ass 3.3V and 5v power rail.

Here's a sucked ass example --> http://c1.neweggimages.com/New...mage/17-182-031-12.jpg

Here's one that didn't --> http://c1.neweggimages.com/New...mage/17-341-001-05.jpg

In the sucked ass example above, it really is sucked ass as it can't even make 2/3 of 3.3V to 5V output current ratio. It's a classical PSU which often failed with a loud explosive flash/bang --> the 3.3V or 5V blocking power FET(s) had blown to kingdom come.

you should read this thread --> http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=84&threadid=2267437 for other common failure modes.

 

[yh125d]

Beray, multi-rail is not more reliable or more dependable than single-rail. Please don't spread misinformation

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Beray, multi-rail is not more reliable or more dependable than single-rail. Please don't spread misinformation

It's a factual garden variety PSU common sense which most "experts" lacked.

Just as they often lacked Independently Regulated PSU common sense. They don't got no clue what Independently in "Independently Regulated" meant.

 

[Shmee]

I don't know anything about kingwin, but I know that corsair, and PC Power and Cooling make good ones, as do antec and cooler master. And uh oh, this guy is back...

IDK, maybe you should get it so that beray will ramble on about "moron PSU experts" and "Sucked ass PSU's" and it will amuse us...JK!
I would just recommend a good 500-600 W PSU like the HX520 I have.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: beray

Originally posted by: yh125d
Beray, multi-rail is not more reliable or more dependable than single-rail. Please don't spread misinformation

It's a factual garden variety PSU common sense which most "experts" lacked.

Just as they often lacked Independently Regulated PSU common sense. They don't got no clue what Independently in "Independently Regulated" meant.

Not only are you misinformed, but you're spreading MISINFORMATION across these boards.

Why are you talking about independent regulation? That's not what this is about. This is about you saying that multi-rail is more reliable and dependable, which is blatant misinformation. Are you even aware that the majority of "multi-rail" PSU's are in fact one rail split up?

Please, with the interest of giving good advice, and not confusing members who come here for help, stop posting until you get a better grip on how these things work. I don't know why you insist on touting your opinions as correct because you think the experts who think otherwise lack knowledge in the area

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: yh125d

Why are you talking about independent regulation? That's not what this is about. This is about you saying that multi-rail is more reliable and dependable, which is blatant misinformation. Are you even aware that the majority of "multi-rail" PSU's are in fact one rail split up?

Please, with the interest of giving good advice, and not confusing members who come here for help, stop posting until you get a better grip on how these things work. I don't know why you insist on touting your opinions as correct because you think the experts who think otherwise lack knowledge in the area

GRADE-SCHOOL level proof example of why single-rail sucked ass below...

3.3V and 5v shared a single-rail, depending on how much is shared of the single-rail, the more they shared the more sucked ass they are.

A very common single power rail example --> 3.3V and 5V shared a single-rail in common all the way out until the very final output blocking stage. 3.3V final stage would have to withstand and block 1/3 more than 5V final stage for having the same exact input power, 3.3v/5v = 2/3. The greater 3.3V had to withstand and block, the less it could put out relative to 5V.

2/3 <-- This is also the approximate 3.3V to 5V output current ratio you'll usually see stated on the PSU labels. Final stage output components can be selected to alter the output current ratio, but however the components get selected 3.3V will always be 1/3 greater stressed than 5V.

proofs of blatantly obvious and apparent sucked ass 3.3V and 5v power rail.

Here's a sucked ass example --> http://c1.neweggimages.com/New...mage/17-182-031-12.jpg

Here's one that didn't --> http://c1.neweggimages.com/New...mage/17-341-001-05.jpg

In the sucked ass example above, it really is sucked ass as it can't even make 2/3 of 3.3V to 5V output current ratio. It's a classical PSU which often failed with a loud explosive flash/bang --> the 3.3V or 5V blocking power FET(s) had blown to kingdom come.

you should read this thread --> http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=84&threadid=2267437 for other common failure modes.

Though it's absolutely normal that some "experts" can't comprehend GRADE-SCHOOL levels. It's recommended that these "experts" should at least go out and achieving some real HIGH-SCHOOL education.

 

[yh125d]

Beray, you needn't insult PSU experts in order to support your point. Please stick to facts. Being argumentative never helped anyone

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: yh125d
Beray, you needn't insult PSU experts in order to support your point. Please stick to facts. Being argumentative never helped anyone

For some strange reasons PSU "experts" can't recognize factual garden variety PSU common sense when posted...

There are PSU "experts" who can't recognize "facts" of their own expertise given to them, they can't recognize "facts" of their own expertise even if "facts" poked their eyes out, they can't recognize "facts" even if "facts" took a dump on their faces.

 

[yh125d]

You've already been banned once for being inflammatory and argumentative, it would probably be in your best interest to tone down the hostile inflection in your posts

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: yh125d
You've already been banned once for being inflammatory and argumentative, it would probably be in your best interest to tone down the hostile inflection in your posts

I often posted factual garden variety PSU common sense and GRADE-SCHOOL level explanations to avoid "inflammatory and argumentative", but PSU "experts" often had problems with them.

I suppose if I just ape and propagate the same ignorance and stupidity the masses used in this and other mile-long threads instead of factual garden variety PSU common sense, that would make everyone happy.

 

[yh125d]

I think what would make everyone happy is having less pugnacious, hostile, contentious, and insulting posts from you. It's very unnecessary.

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: yh125d
I think what would make everyone happy is having less pugnacious, hostile, contentious, and insulting posts from you. It's very unnecessary.

PSU "experts" insulted themselves. It's very so unnecessary if they just simply had learned to recognize factual garden variety PSU common sense and to comprehend GRADE-SCHOOL level explanations when given.

I'm tired of warning you about trolling and not providing FACTS, enjoy 4 weeks off. If this persists, you run the risk of being permanently banned.
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[theAnimal]

Originally posted by: beray

Originally posted by: yh125d

Why are you talking about independent regulation? That's not what this is about. This is about you saying that multi-rail is more reliable and dependable, which is blatant misinformation. Are you even aware that the majority of "multi-rail" PSU's are in fact one rail split up?

Please, with the interest of giving good advice, and not confusing members who come here for help, stop posting until you get a better grip on how these things work. I don't know why you insist on touting your opinions as correct because you think the experts who think otherwise lack knowledge in the area

GRADE-SCHOOL level proof example of why single-rail sucked ass below...

3.3V and 5v shared a single-rail, depending on how much is shared of the single-rail, the more they shared the more sucked ass they are.

A very common single power rail example --> 3.3V and 5V shared a single-rail in common all the way out until the very final output blocking stage. 3.3V final stage would have to withstand and block 1/3 more than 5V final stage for having the same exact input power, 3.3v/5v = 2/3. The greater 3.3V had to withstand and block, the less it could put out relative to 5V.

2/3 <-- This is also the approximate 3.3V to 5V output current ratio you'll usually see stated on the PSU labels. Final stage output components can be selected to alter the output current ratio, but however the components get selected 3.3V will always be 1/3 greater stressed than 5V.

proofs of blatantly obvious and apparent sucked ass 3.3V and 5v power rail.

Here's a sucked ass example --> http://c1.neweggimages.com/New...mage/17-182-031-12.jpg

Here's one that didn't --> http://c1.neweggimages.com/New...mage/17-341-001-05.jpg

In the sucked ass example above, it really is sucked ass as it can't even make 2/3 of 3.3V to 5V output current ratio. It's a classical PSU which often failed with a loud explosive flash/bang --> the 3.3V or 5V blocking power FET(s) had blown to kingdom come.

you should read this thread --> http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=84&threadid=2267437 for other common failure modes.

Though it's absolutely normal that some "experts" can't comprehend GRADE-SCHOOL levels. It's recommended that these "experts" should at least go out and achieving some real HIGH-SCHOOL education.

Single-rail versus multi-rail only refers to 12V.

Anyway...once again, here are some charts showing several different normal computer configurations along with a breakdown of their 3.3V, 5V, and 12V power consumption. They are not 'elaborate idiotic cross-regulation tests of "independently regulated" from respected and trust worthy sources' as you so eloquently put it last time. Please read them, and then maybe you could explain how a modern system somehow needs so much 3.3V and 5V power when an OCed quad with SLI 8800GTX only uses 27W or ~8A for 3.3V and 57W or ~ 10A for 5V in total at full load. You'll notice that the 3.3V and 5V use almost the same amps, not 1/3 or 2/3.

Edit: added last sentence

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: theAnimal
Single-rail versus multi-rail only refers to 12V.

Single-rail versus multi-rail basic technique applies to many things not just 12V nor just PSUs.

1000 HP single-cylinder engines lacked the reliability and dependabiltiy of 1000 HP 10-cylinder engines. As each of the 10-cylinder only had to withstand ~1/10 the stress of the 1000HP single-cylinder engines.

single-forward voltage regulators lacked the reliability and dependability of double-forward and quad-forward voltage regulators.

1KW single-phase single-rail voltage regulators lacked the reliability and dependability of 1KW 10-phase multi-rail voltage regulators.

Multi-rail are more reliable and more dependable than single-rail even when used as single-rail, a 16-phase mobo voltage regulator is a multi-rail with outputs tied back together to use as single-rail.

 

[theAnimal]

Let me remove any possible ambiguity from my previous statement (even though we are discussing this in the PSU section on a computer forum, and I mentioned 12V):

When discussing computer PSUs, single rail versus multi-rail refers to the 12V rail(s).

 

[beray]

Originally posted by: theAnimal
Let me remove any possible ambiguity from my previous statement (even though we are discussing this in the PSU section on a computer forum, and I mentioned 12V):

When discussing computer PSUs, single rail versus multi-rail refers to the 12V rail(s).

Did you comprehend that what I said above also applied to 12V? Applied to any 12V PSUs or any 12V regulators? Applied to any 12V single-forward, 12V double-forward, and 12V quad-forward?

 

[theAnimal]

A single rail PSU is still multiple rail. It has 12V, 5V and 3.3V. But it is called single rail because it only has one 12V rail.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: beray

Originally posted by: yh125d
I think what would make everyone happy is having less pugnacious, hostile, contentious, and insulting posts from you. It's very unnecessary.

PSU "experts" insulted themselves. It's very so unnecessary if they just simply had learned to recognize factual garden variety PSU common sense and to comprehend GRADE-SCHOOL level explanations when given.

You seem obsessed with factual gardens.